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Post by ladylinda on Jan 7, 2016 12:37:46 GMT -5
What are words, Fret? My religion teaches me that the Church includes all true believers whatever their skin colour, ethnic origin or language. Religion = nothing but trouble. That's your opinion; like any belief system the various religions of the world have done good and bad things. Some of the great works of art and literature have been born out of religious faith; some of the great humanitarian achievements of the world have come out of that religious faith. It's just not some kind of black and white story of religion being bad and irreligion being good. Non-believers have behaved equally badly and equally well. Ultimately we are all human beings and all capable of choosing love or hate. And as I'm sure you know Christ said 'love one another.'
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Post by Dex on Jan 7, 2016 14:10:04 GMT -5
Religion = nothing but trouble. That's your opinion; like any belief system the various religions of the world have done good and bad things. Some of the great works of art and literature have been born out of religious faith; some of the great humanitarian achievements of the world have come out of that religious faith. It's just not some kind of black and white story of religion being bad and irreligion being good. Non-believers have behaved equally badly and equally well. Ultimately we are all human beings and all capable of choosing love or hate. And as I'm sure you know Christ said 'love one another.' I can't get where you're coming from here, Lin. We don't see any present day atheist groups banding together and going out to rape and assault women. It's just that one particular religion. More like a cult.
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Post by fretslider on Jan 7, 2016 16:05:12 GMT -5
Religion = nothing but trouble. That's your opinion; like any belief system the various religions of the world have done good and bad things. Some of the great works of art and literature have been born out of religious faith; some of the great humanitarian achievements of the world have come out of that religious faith. It's just not some kind of black and white story of religion being bad and irreligion being good. Non-believers have behaved equally badly and equally well. Ultimately we are all human beings and all capable of choosing love or hate. And as I'm sure you know Christ said 'love one another.' You primitives are funny as well as unhinged.
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 7, 2016 17:55:36 GMT -5
That's your opinion; like any belief system the various religions of the world have done good and bad things. Some of the great works of art and literature have been born out of religious faith; some of the great humanitarian achievements of the world have come out of that religious faith. It's just not some kind of black and white story of religion being bad and irreligion being good. Non-believers have behaved equally badly and equally well. Ultimately we are all human beings and all capable of choosing love or hate. And as I'm sure you know Christ said 'love one another.' You primitives are funny as well as unhinged. Yes, I suppose the idea of love must strike those without empathy for others as strange. Just as narcissists can't see beyond their own world so too people who are choked with hate and prejudice can't see beyond their own bitterness. If that's unhinged well it's a pity the whole world isn't a mental hospital!
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 7, 2016 18:02:50 GMT -5
That's your opinion; like any belief system the various religions of the world have done good and bad things. Some of the great works of art and literature have been born out of religious faith; some of the great humanitarian achievements of the world have come out of that religious faith. It's just not some kind of black and white story of religion being bad and irreligion being good. Non-believers have behaved equally badly and equally well. Ultimately we are all human beings and all capable of choosing love or hate. And as I'm sure you know Christ said 'love one another.' I can't get where you're coming from here, Lin. We don't see any present day atheist groups banding together and going out to rape and assault women. It's just that one particular religion. More like a cult. Perhaps the fact you can't get where I'm coming from is part of the problem, Dex. And plenty of Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs and even Buddhists have done the same. Plus of course atheist groups like the Shining Path and the Naxalites. So you're factually wrong about that. But leaving all that aside, Dex, look at the title of this thread. It was about the Church of England - the Episcopalians as you'd call us. Nothing to do with ANY other faith. But sadly too often King Charles' head keeps popping up in irrelevant places!
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Post by beth on Jan 8, 2016 0:31:00 GMT -5
I can't get where you're coming from here, Lin. We don't see any present day atheist groups banding together and going out to rape and assault women. It's just that one particular religion. More like a cult. Perhaps the fact you can't get where I'm coming from is part of the problem, Dex. And plenty of Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs and even Buddhists have done the same. Plus of course atheist groups like the Shining Path and the Naxalites. So you're factually wrong about that. But leaving all that aside, Dex, look at the title of this thread. It was about the Church of England - the Episcopalians as you'd call us. Nothing to do with ANY other faith. But sadly too often King Charles' head keeps popping up in irrelevant places! Background and culture have a lot to do with the concepts we form in regard to things like this, Lin. If Atheists or Christians (for that matter) were forming gangs to commit these kinds of atrocities, wouldn't the media clue us in? I have to believe they would. Right now, especially, the print press is struggling to survive. They wouldn't miss a chance to report that kind of thing.
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Post by mouse on Jan 8, 2016 6:55:44 GMT -5
Perhaps the fact you can't get where I'm coming from is part of the problem, Dex. And plenty of Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs and even Buddhists have done the same. Plus of course atheist groups like the Shining Path and the Naxalites. So you're factually wrong about that. But leaving all that aside, Dex, look at the title of this thread. It was about the Church of England - the Episcopalians as you'd call us. Nothing to do with ANY other faith. But sadly too often King Charles' head keeps popping up in irrelevant places! Background and culture have a lot to do with the concepts we form in regard to things like this, Lin. If Atheists or Christians (for that matter) were forming gangs to commit these kinds of atrocities, wouldn't the media clue us in? I have to believe they would. Right now, especially, the print press is struggling to survive. They wouldn't miss a chance to report that kind of thing. the press would be delighted if groups of professed Christians ran amok sexually assaulting women..especially if they only targeted women by colour and religion they would be all over it like a rash...as would the politicals of all shades..as would certain of internationals at the UN..oooman rights mob would be screaming fit to bust and if it were muslim women targeted oh my word..garments would be rent and fires set all over the muslim world... but as these victims of assault were white European women...not a peep not a muff...not even calls for these animals to get a grip and behave them selves...no great shouts of this is utterly wrong in fact its the population that is shouting about it while the powers that be try to keep it quiet thanks be for the internet....and we can all see that what the police described as virtually nothing..was in fact mob run sexual attacks on the women of Germany
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Post by mouse on Jan 8, 2016 6:58:17 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I was a member of a Pentecostal church here in Geelong for 9 years until I found ECKANKAR. That is when I moved on. The Pentecostal church is certainly different from other churches, as everyone is moved by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit. Not only do they sing and dance, but they also prophesy when moved to do so at the instigation of the Holy Spirit. The people are also healed by the laying on of hands, all by the work of the Holy Spirit.The church certainly has a very happy atmosphere that's for sure.The congregation comprises of people of all colours and ethnic background. What should only matter is that we are all Human Beings. What should only matter is that we are all Human BeingsTry telling that to Wahhabists and salafists and see how you get on, SL am of to see the Wizard the wonderful Wizard of oz..trala trala trala a dose of reality is badly needed
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Post by fretslider on Jan 8, 2016 8:12:50 GMT -5
You primitives are funny as well as unhinged. Yes, I suppose the idea of love must strike those without empathy for others as strange. Just as narcissists can't see beyond their own world so too people who are choked with hate and prejudice can't see beyond their own bitterness. If that's unhinged well it's a pity the whole world isn't a mental hospital! So, now you're claiming that religion has a monopoly on love? I could say it has a monopoly on primitive barbaric violence
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 8, 2016 18:14:10 GMT -5
Yes, I suppose the idea of love must strike those without empathy for others as strange. Just as narcissists can't see beyond their own world so too people who are choked with hate and prejudice can't see beyond their own bitterness. If that's unhinged well it's a pity the whole world isn't a mental hospital! So, now you're claiming that religion has a monopoly on love? I could say it has a monopoly on primitive barbaric violence Well, you could but as usual you'd be wrong, Fret.
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 8, 2016 18:18:16 GMT -5
Perhaps the fact you can't get where I'm coming from is part of the problem, Dex. And plenty of Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs and even Buddhists have done the same. Plus of course atheist groups like the Shining Path and the Naxalites. So you're factually wrong about that. But leaving all that aside, Dex, look at the title of this thread. It was about the Church of England - the Episcopalians as you'd call us. Nothing to do with ANY other faith. But sadly too often King Charles' head keeps popping up in irrelevant places! Background and culture have a lot to do with the concepts we form in regard to things like this, Lin. If Atheists or Christians (for that matter) were forming gangs to commit these kinds of atrocities, wouldn't the media clue us in? I have to believe they would. Right now, especially, the print press is struggling to survive. They wouldn't miss a chance to report that kind of thing. No, Beth; you're assuming the media is a) truthful; b) isn't part of a vested agenda. Now I seem to remember Mike posting a link about how 94% of terrorism IS carried out by NON-MUSLIMS. How much media attention does that get? And the press says whatever their owners tell them to. And background and culture are things that have been constantly evolving since the beginning of time. And of course this thread was about the Church of England and NOT the usual King Charle's head nonsense that some people keep dragging in entirely irrelevantly.
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 8, 2016 18:19:41 GMT -5
Background and culture have a lot to do with the concepts we form in regard to things like this, Lin. If Atheists or Christians (for that matter) were forming gangs to commit these kinds of atrocities, wouldn't the media clue us in? I have to believe they would. Right now, especially, the print press is struggling to survive. They wouldn't miss a chance to report that kind of thing. the press would be delighted if groups of professed Christians ran amok sexually assaulting women..especially if they only targeted women by colour and religion they would be all over it like a rash...as would the politicals of all shades..as would certain of internationals at the UN..oooman rights mob would be screaming fit to bust and if it were muslim women targeted oh my word..garments would be rent and fires set all over the muslim world... but as these victims of assault were white European women...not a peep not a muff...not even calls for these animals to get a grip and behave them selves...no great shouts of this is utterly wrong in fact its the population that is shouting about it while the powers that be try to keep it quiet thanks be for the internet....and we can all see that what the police described as virtually nothing..was in fact mob run sexual attacks on the women of Germany Mouse, I've already condemned the vicious behaviour of the scum in Germany. But all that is NOTHING to do with a thread on the Church of England.
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Post by Sysop3 on Jan 8, 2016 19:02:29 GMT -5
Still, it is not a matter of religion being all good and non-religion being all bad, either. Organized religion is used by the majority of people - not just for worship but to fill social needs. Nothing wrong with that. But, some non-denominational churches like Unitarian Universalist and others fill a need for many who are agnostic or not devout. That's good, too. To each his or her own.
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Post by beth on Jan 8, 2016 20:37:50 GMT -5
Background and culture have a lot to do with the concepts we form in regard to things like this, Lin. If Atheists or Christians (for that matter) were forming gangs to commit these kinds of atrocities, wouldn't the media clue us in? I have to believe they would. Right now, especially, the print press is struggling to survive. They wouldn't miss a chance to report that kind of thing. No, Beth; you're assuming the media is a) truthful; b) isn't part of a vested agenda. Now I seem to remember Mike posting a link about how 94% of terrorism IS carried out by NON-MUSLIMS. How much media attention does that get? And the press says whatever their owners tell them to. And background and culture are things that have been constantly evolving since the beginning of time. And of course this thread was about the Church of England and NOT the usual King Charle's head nonsense that some people keep dragging in entirely irrelevantly. ummm I see. I was reading the 2 threads as one. Sorry. For what it's worth, I'll stand by what I said. I'm not into conspiracy theories and don't think our media is a total propaganda machine, yet.
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Post by mouse on Jan 9, 2016 4:12:14 GMT -5
the press would be delighted if groups of professed Christians ran amok sexually assaulting women..especially if they only targeted women by colour and religion they would be all over it like a rash...as would the politicals of all shades..as would certain of internationals at the UN..oooman rights mob would be screaming fit to bust and if it were muslim women targeted oh my word..garments would be rent and fires set all over the muslim world... but as these victims of assault were white European women...not a peep not a muff...not even calls for these animals to get a grip and behave them selves...no great shouts of this is utterly wrong in fact its the population that is shouting about it while the powers that be try to keep it quiet thanks be for the internet....and we can all see that what the police described as virtually nothing..was in fact mob run sexual attacks on the women of Germany Mouse, I've already condemned the vicious behaviour of the scum in Germany. But all that is NOTHING to do with a thread on the Church of England. lin lin lin....have a re read and you will find I have NOT mentioned THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND or any other church what I said was..."""the press would be delighted is groups of professed Christians ran amok sexually assaulting women """ and I think you have known me long enough to be aware that it is my view that Christianity has brought and wrought great influences for good on these islands through social..educational..law..civil law..the arts and science ..writings etc etc ...its been a great base from which to expand....and we have all benefitted one way or the other so please read what I write
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