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Post by annaj26 on Mar 26, 2015 11:07:57 GMT -5
The co-pilot brought down the plane deliberately!!!! www.cnn.com/
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Post by beth on Mar 26, 2015 15:33:36 GMT -5
I can't even get my head wrapped around this one yet. Horrifying! What Was Cockipit Security Like? (CNN)Reports that one of the pilots on doomed Germanwings Flight 9525 was locked out of the cockpit, trying to break inside, has sparked renewed speculation about the cause of the crash and thrown cockpit security protocols into the spotlight. Information collected by investigators suggests the co-pilot who was in control of the Germanwings airplane when it crashed Tuesday was acting deliberately, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said. All 150 people on board were killed. The co-pilot apparently "wanted to destroy the aircraft," Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said. Audio from the cockpit voice recorder revealed that the captain had left the cockpit, probably to use the restroom, the prosecutor said, and could not get back in when he tried to return. The audio reveals the captain was banging on the door of the cockpit, but the co-pilot did not take any action to let him in. "It was when he was alone that he manipulated the buttons of the flight monitoring system to activate the descent of the aircraft," Robin said. "The action can only be voluntary." more www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-cockpit-protocol/index.html
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 26, 2015 16:15:30 GMT -5
There's an obvious solution to this problem, to keep it from happening again.
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Post by Jessiealan on Mar 26, 2015 16:23:20 GMT -5
There's an obvious solution to this problem, to keep it from happening again. No lock on the cabin door? No Co-pilot? Automatic pilot? I do not believe those are correct and don't know what you're thinking.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 26, 2015 16:25:03 GMT -5
I can't even get my head wrapped around this one yet. Horrifying! What Was Cockipit Security Like? (CNN)Reports that one of the pilots on doomed Germanwings Flight 9525 was locked out of the cockpit, trying to break inside, has sparked renewed speculation about the cause of the crash and thrown cockpit security protocols into the spotlight. Information collected by investigators suggests the co-pilot who was in control of the Germanwings airplane when it crashed Tuesday was acting deliberately, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said. All 150 people on board were killed. The co-pilot apparently "wanted to destroy the aircraft," Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said. Audio from the cockpit voice recorder revealed that the captain had left the cockpit, probably to use the restroom, the prosecutor said, and could not get back in when he tried to return. The audio reveals the captain was banging on the door of the cockpit, but the co-pilot did not take any action to let him in. "It was when he was alone that he manipulated the buttons of the flight monitoring system to activate the descent of the aircraft," Robin said. "The action can only be voluntary." more www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-cockpit-protocol/index.htmlHi Beth, It looks very like terrorism to me. He has obviously been got to and like all the other terrorists has decided to give his life for the cause of ISIS taking the passengers with him. HORRIBLE !!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 26, 2015 16:32:34 GMT -5
There's an obvious solution to this problem, to keep it from happening again. So what is your foolproof suggestion josephdphillips ? I'm always interested in hearing what you have to say. Anything that will help mankind is always welcomed.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 26, 2015 16:42:47 GMT -5
Notwithstanding the sarcasm, I will answer. The solution will be to replace human pilots with robotic ones.
Or at the very least let air controllers manipulate an airplane's flight from the ground.
Or some combination of the two. Either way, human pilots have got to go.
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Post by beth on Mar 26, 2015 17:28:37 GMT -5
Notwithstanding the sarcasm, I will answer. The solution will be to replace human pilots with robotic ones. Or at the very least let air controllers manipulate an airplane's flight from the ground. Or some combination of the two. Either way, human pilots have got to go. Probably good ideas. I believe I read somewhere they are doing a certain amount of cnotrol from instruments on the ground, now.
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Post by mouse on Mar 27, 2015 0:16:43 GMT -5
I can't even get my head wrapped around this one yet. Horrifying! What Was Cockipit Security Like? (CNN)Reports that one of the pilots on doomed Germanwings Flight 9525 was locked out of the cockpit, trying to break inside, has sparked renewed speculation about the cause of the crash and thrown cockpit security protocols into the spotlight. Information collected by investigators suggests the co-pilot who was in control of the Germanwings airplane when it crashed Tuesday was acting deliberately, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said. All 150 people on board were killed. The co-pilot apparently "wanted to destroy the aircraft," Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said. Audio from the cockpit voice recorder revealed that the captain had left the cockpit, probably to use the restroom, the prosecutor said, and could not get back in when he tried to return. The audio reveals the captain was banging on the door of the cockpit, but the co-pilot did not take any action to let him in. "It was when he was alone that he manipulated the buttons of the flight monitoring system to activate the descent of the aircraft," Robin said. "The action can only be voluntary." more www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-cockpit-protocol/index.htmlHi Beth, It looks very like terrorism to me. He has obviously been got to and like all the other terrorists has decided to give his life for the cause of ISIS taking the passengers with him. HORRIBLE !!! not necessarily ...it could be that the man had mental problems etc....I agree its absolutel terrible...but lets not jump to terrorism without proof....that would be the wrong road to go down
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Post by markindurham on Mar 27, 2015 0:53:40 GMT -5
Hi Beth, It looks very like terrorism to me. He has obviously been got to and like all the other terrorists has decided to give his life for the cause of ISIS taking the passengers with him. HORRIBLE !!! not necessarily ...it could be that the man had mental problems etc....I agree its absolutel terrible...but lets not jump to terrorism without proof....that would be the wrong road to go down Agreed. The evidence is pointing that way, although it's very true that certain folk made great efforts before anything was known to go down the terrorism route - terrorism as it's commonly defined these days, that is...
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Post by markindurham on Mar 27, 2015 1:03:18 GMT -5
Notwithstanding the sarcasm, I will answer. The solution will be to replace human pilots with robotic ones. Or at the very least let air controllers manipulate an airplane's flight from the ground. Or some combination of the two. Either way, human pilots have got to go. So then, what happens if some ground controller goes rogue? Or the data link gets hacked? Or various other potentially lethal scenarios? This argument is also going on regarding shipping and having unmanned ships. Can't see that happening any time soon either. Aviation and shipping have a great commonality - almost all of what goes on is routine and repetitive. However, those in charge on board REALLY earn their pay when things go wrong... Here's another thought - even with the tragic losses of life due to the likes of murdering Islamic bampots or, as appears to be the case here, when somebody has a mental breakdown, or, as does seem likely with MH370, a pilot deliberately commits suicide, aviation is STILL very safe. Indeed, the most dangerous part of your journey is the drive to/from the airport. Fact.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 27, 2015 2:06:28 GMT -5
Notwithstanding the sarcasm, I will answer. The solution will be to replace human pilots with robotic ones. Or at the very least let air controllers manipulate an airplane's flight from the ground. Or some combination of the two. Either way, human pilots have got to go. So then, what happens if some ground controller goes rogue? Or the data link gets hacked? Or various other potentially lethal scenarios? This argument is also going on regarding shipping and having unmanned ships. Can't see that happening any time soon either. Aviation and shipping have a great commonality - almost all of what goes on is routine and repetitive. However, those in charge on board REALLY earn their pay when things go wrong... Here's another thought - even with the tragic losses of life due to the likes of murdering Islamic bampots or, as appears to be the case here, when somebody has a mental breakdown, or, as does seem likely with MH370, a pilot deliberately commits suicide, aviation is STILL very safe. Indeed, the most dangerous part of your journey is the drive to/from the airport. Fact. Pilots are given regular medical checkups which no doubt would include mental health as well. People with mental health problems usually start showing erratic behaviour. This Pilot was very calm and calculated so it was deliberate, with the intention of killing the passengers as all the suicide bombers era have been doing. If a person is mentally unstable I think he would still care enough about the lives of the passengers and be able to constrain himself so as not to harm anyone but himself. As far as I am concerned, his target was the passengers. That is my personal opinion, so we will wait and see. We have a whole lot of young people sneaking off to Syria in order to join the fighting. One 17yr old went there recently and became a suicide bomber, now he is dead along with all the innocent people that it was his intention to kill.
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Post by markindurham on Mar 27, 2015 3:02:41 GMT -5
So then, what happens if some ground controller goes rogue? Or the data link gets hacked? Or various other potentially lethal scenarios? This argument is also going on regarding shipping and having unmanned ships. Can't see that happening any time soon either. Aviation and shipping have a great commonality - almost all of what goes on is routine and repetitive. However, those in charge on board REALLY earn their pay when things go wrong... Here's another thought - even with the tragic losses of life due to the likes of murdering Islamic bampots or, as appears to be the case here, when somebody has a mental breakdown, or, as does seem likely with MH370, a pilot deliberately commits suicide, aviation is STILL very safe. Indeed, the most dangerous part of your journey is the drive to/from the airport. Fact. Pilots are given regular medical checkups which no doubt would include mental health as well. People with mental health problems usually start showing erratic behaviour. This Pilot was very calm and calculated so it was deliberate, with the intention of killing the passengers as all the suicide bombers era have been doing. If a person is mentally unstable I think he would still care enough about the lives of the passengers and be able to constrain himself so as not to harm anyone but himself. As far as I am concerned, his target was the passengers. That is my personal opinion, so we will wait and see. We have a whole lot of young people sneaking off to Syria in order to join the fighting. One 17yr old went there recently and became a suicide bomber, now he is dead along with all the innocent people that it was his intention to kill. Sadly, MH issues are a show-stopper if you're a pilot. It's very difficult to get back to flying status if you've admitted to having ANY issues which might affect you mentally. This is fact. So no, pilot medicals don't cover MH issues unless the pilot admits to them, and as that's likely to finish your career, who is going to admit to it? However, this chap had been taken off flying training in 2008, allegedly due to 'stress', so why was he subsequently allowed to resume? Regarding modern training, one point to note is that the system which was in place up to about 2000, where prospective Airline Pilots went down the 'self improvement' route - PPL, Instructor, Commercial Pilot & then ATPL - in order to build up one's hours before the airlines would even look at you - was effectively abolished. Nowadays, if you can pay for the training and don't massively screw up during it, you're in. Oh, and don't admit to MH issues (see above). It's now being reported that this young chap had just split up with his partner; it's quite possible that this may well have been the background for a 'red mist' episode, perhaps the catalyst was, as per reports of the Cockpit Voice Recorder transcripts, the Captain giving the briefing for the approach and landing at Dusseldorf. To immediately dismiss this affair as a terrorist act is unhelpful and, frankly, an easy route to follow. I don't, basis the evidence I have seen, regard it as anything of the sort.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 27, 2015 4:45:00 GMT -5
Pilots are given regular medical checkups which no doubt would include mental health as well. People with mental health problems usually start showing erratic behaviour. This Pilot was very calm and calculated so it was deliberate, with the intention of killing the passengers as all the suicide bombers era have been doing. If a person is mentally unstable I think he would still care enough about the lives of the passengers and be able to constrain himself so as not to harm anyone but himself. As far as I am concerned, his target was the passengers. That is my personal opinion, so we will wait and see. We have a whole lot of young people sneaking off to Syria in order to join the fighting. One 17yr old went there recently and became a suicide bomber, now he is dead along with all the innocent people that it was his intention to kill. Sadly, MH issues are a show-stopper if you're a pilot. It's very difficult to get back to flying status if you've admitted to having ANY issues which might affect you mentally. This is fact. So no, pilot medicals don't cover MH issues unless the pilot admits to them, and as that's likely to finish your career, who is going to admit to it? However, this chap had been taken off flying training in 2008, allegedly due to 'stress', so why was he subsequently allowed to resume? Regarding modern training, one point to note is that the system which was in place up to about 2000, where prospective Airline Pilots went down the 'self improvement' route - PPL, Instructor, Commercial Pilot & then ATPL - in order to build up one's hours before the airlines would even look at you - was effectively abolished. Nowadays, if you can pay for the training and don't massively screw up during it, you're in. Oh, and don't admit to MH issues (see above). It's now being reported that this young chap had just split up with his partner; it's quite possible that this may well have been the background for a 'red mist' episode, perhaps the catalyst was, as per reports of the Cockpit Voice Recorder transcripts, the Captain giving the briefing for the approach and landing at Dusseldorf. To immediately dismiss this affair as a terrorist act is unhelpful and, frankly, an easy route to follow. I don't, basis the evidence I have seen, regard it as anything of the sort. It really is hard for me to believe that it is anything but a terrorist act. Most people go through life having at least one unrequited love relationship, you eventually get over it, and get on with your life. Surely you wouldn't be crazy enough to kill so many people because of it. I really think there must be more to it than what we know at the present time.He must have been behaving quite normal otherwise the Captain would have noticed that sometimg was wrong and wouldn't have left the co- pilot alone. Something smells fishy to me.
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Post by markindurham on Mar 27, 2015 7:20:13 GMT -5
Sadly, MH issues are a show-stopper if you're a pilot. It's very difficult to get back to flying status if you've admitted to having ANY issues which might affect you mentally. This is fact. So no, pilot medicals don't cover MH issues unless the pilot admits to them, and as that's likely to finish your career, who is going to admit to it? However, this chap had been taken off flying training in 2008, allegedly due to 'stress', so why was he subsequently allowed to resume? Regarding modern training, one point to note is that the system which was in place up to about 2000, where prospective Airline Pilots went down the 'self improvement' route - PPL, Instructor, Commercial Pilot & then ATPL - in order to build up one's hours before the airlines would even look at you - was effectively abolished. Nowadays, if you can pay for the training and don't massively screw up during it, you're in. Oh, and don't admit to MH issues (see above). It's now being reported that this young chap had just split up with his partner; it's quite possible that this may well have been the background for a 'red mist' episode, perhaps the catalyst was, as per reports of the Cockpit Voice Recorder transcripts, the Captain giving the briefing for the approach and landing at Dusseldorf. To immediately dismiss this affair as a terrorist act is unhelpful and, frankly, an easy route to follow. I don't, basis the evidence I have seen, regard it as anything of the sort. It really is hard for me to believe that it is anything but a terrorist act. Most people go through life having at least one unrequited love relationship, you eventually get over it, and get on with your life. Surely you wouldn't be crazy enough to kill so many people because of it. I really think there must be more to it than what we know at the present time.He must have been behaving quite normal otherwise the Captain would have noticed that sometimg was wrong and wouldn't have left the co- pilot alone. Something smells fishy to me. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013743/Germanwings-pilot-slipped-safety-net-devastating-consequences.html
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