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Post by fretslider on Dec 7, 2014 5:17:39 GMT -5
Are we evolving or adapting? The simple answer is all organisms evolve adaptations to their environment. But it's glacially slow in terms of a human lifetime. A decline in the average age of menarche from 17 to 13 in Europe from 1850 to 1960 is well documented. The age now is a little lower. The argument here is what has caused this. The difference in living standards and conditions means most are well nourished and housed today. Either way, its a change over time. One that is a real headache for the law. But there are different forms of evolution like the explosive radiation of the Cambrian era. Beginning around 542 million years ago, most major animal phyla appeared, as indicated by the fossil record. Lasting for about the next 20 million years, it resulted in the origin of the body plan of modern animals Additionally, the event was accompanied by major diversification of other organisms. Prior to the Cambrian explosion, most organisms were simple, composed of individual cells occasionally organized into colonies. Over the following 70 or 80 million years, the rate of diversification accelerated by an order of magnitude and the diversity of life began to resemble that of today. Many of the present phyla appeared during this period, with the exception of Bryozoa, which made its earliest known appearance in the Lower Ordovician.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion I'm thinking wiithin a century's time. By 2114 there should be differences that can be seen in humans if only because of the time spent at computers. We ought to start now with exercises designed to keep our backs straight and the rest of us in good proportions. The brain might evolve, too, changing the way we see things and learn. In many ways we try to go against our nature. A good example of this comes from shift-work. Years ago I used to do shift-work, 6-2, 2-10, 10-6, rotating by the week. This causes all sorts of problems breaking the circadian rythmn. I did that for about 10 years and then I'd really had enough of it. Money is a great motivator, but there is a limit. Some differences you can see, apart from the example of girls and puberty is height. But again it is difficult to say whether this is ongoing evolutionary development or a product of the living standards we enjoy today. Perhaps in a hundred year's time, assuming similar economic and environmental conditions exist, it might be possible to identify the causes of the changes. Logically if conditions remain unchanged and the human changes, then that is a selective mechanism.
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Post by men an tol on Dec 10, 2014 21:28:22 GMT -5
The Pale Blue Dot - one heck of a message from Carl Sagan!!
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Post by beth on Dec 10, 2014 21:41:55 GMT -5
I suspect that you have the right of it Beth. Here our citizen group got involved initially due to the bond issue which has 8 different plans going from a low of 72 million to a high of 275 million. In our discussions with them we ask specifically how this would improve education results and after many meeting there is no proof that such spending will change anything in the education results. It is more of a we must do something and spending this money is something. I think they should keep the best of the old, along-side the best of the new. People here are quite enthusiastic about the change to computers as an improvement ... maybe it is. When my daughter was in middle school here, we lived about a mile from the school. They don't run local school buses here. It's an independent school district, top ranking in academics and sports. They believe children in the district should walk. Healthier and all that. I never picked her up unless the weather demanded it and she and her friends walled to and from school most days. Unfortunately, they did this while carrying heavy book filled backpacks. They didn't complain ... thought nothing of it at the time. Now, daughter and two of her friends(probably many more) have back problems their doctors say resulted from that. They are very happy the kids up and coming, won't have to deal with the book load anymore.
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Post by beth on Dec 10, 2014 23:11:52 GMT -5
The Pale Blue Dot - one heck of a message from Carl Sagan!! Lovely, Men an tol. Thank you. ping
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Post by men an tol on Dec 11, 2014 0:59:21 GMT -5
It would be nice if people saw it and came to the conclusion that the aggressive acts between people are not worth it. We all really are the same.
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Post by mouse on Dec 11, 2014 6:47:33 GMT -5
""""we lived about a mile from the school. They don't run local school buses here"""
1 mile?? our school buses state one has to be a distance of three miles before getting a free bus in senior school and the bus only stops at certain pickup and dropping off places..some in our area have a couple of miles to walk before they get to a designated area far as I know it doesn't apply to primary shool...
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 8, 2017 21:15:08 GMT -5
Don't you suppose it's a little of both. Since we have no freedom of choice when it comes to which gene pool we fall into ... feel fortunate you were born on the up-side. Hi Beth, I disagree with you there.!!! From my perspective as an ECKist and a believer in reincarnation, we get the body that we deserve, as it contains all the aspects of accrued karma, brought about by what we put into life by our behaviour It doesn't seem to me that we are evolving as we are still killing each other and committing wicked deeds. I would say that evolvement takes place when LOVE fills our heart so that we are no longer so hateful in our treatment of others.
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Post by beth on Jun 9, 2017 0:12:43 GMT -5
Sounds like you're in the grip of negatives, Lassie. That's what happens when you get all snarled up in religious obsessions. Smile.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 4, 2017 7:57:04 GMT -5
Don't you suppose it's a little of both. Since we have no freedom of choice when it comes to which gene pool we fall into ... feel fortunate you were born on the up-side. Hi Beth, Because I believe in Reincarnation, we do have a say in the gene pool, as we are given a body that is most suited to our future experiences owing to the our accrued Karma. We agree to everything before we are born again.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 4, 2017 8:20:16 GMT -5
I suspect that you have the right of it Beth. Here our citizen group got involved initially due to the bond issue which has 8 different plans going from a low of 72 million to a high of 275 million. In our discussions with them we ask specifically how this would improve education results and after many meeting there is no proof that such spending will change anything in the education results. It is more of a we must do something and spending this money is something. Hi Men an tol, Even in dealing with paying your household bills such as Electricity and Gas they want it done via the computer in order to save having to send a letter and therefore saving having to cut down trees.
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Post by mouse on Sept 4, 2017 8:28:08 GMT -5
I suspect that you have the right of it Beth. Here our citizen group got involved initially due to the bond issue which has 8 different plans going from a low of 72 million to a high of 275 million. In our discussions with them we ask specifically how this would improve education results and after many meeting there is no proof that such spending will change anything in the education results. It is more of a we must do something and spending this money is something. Hi Men an tol, Even in dealing with paying your household bills such as Electricity and Gas they want it done via the computer in order to save having to send a letter and therefore saving having to cut down trees. trust me its nothing to do do with saving trees and everthing to do with control and saving money by eliminating human staff try talking to a computer next time your electricity cuts out or they give you the wrong bill
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Post by beth on Sept 4, 2017 12:45:17 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, Even in dealing with paying your household bills such as Electricity and Gas they want it done via the computer in order to save having to send a letter and therefore saving having to cut down trees. trust me its nothing to do do with saving trees and everthing to do with control and saving money by eliminating human staff try talking to a computer next time your electricity cuts out or they give you the wrong bill Giving the work to computers eliminates hundreds of workers in call centers all over the world. In turn, those call center workers put an end to many, many clerical workers in the U.S. (probably the U.K., too). Just some of the jobs Trump has promised to bring back. Yeah ... right. lol
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Post by Sysop3 on Sept 4, 2017 20:54:45 GMT -5
trust me its nothing to do do with saving trees and everthing to do with control and saving money by eliminating human staff try talking to a computer next time your electricity cuts out or they give you the wrong bill Giving the work to computers eliminates hundreds of workers in call centers all over the world. In turn, those call center workers put an end to many, many clerical workers in the U.S. (probably the U.K., too). Just some of the jobs Trump has promised to bring back. Yeah ... right. lol You bet. A lot of Trumpites probably used to be the people who covered the lines at "help desks" for retail and public service industries. I heard Citi Bank is one of the few call centers left in this country that are not run for charity. The jobs didn't pay a whole lot but it was a upgrade from fast food work and good for entry level. Then, they sent them out of the country and both displaced workers and customers have been unhappy about it ever sense. I think ProBoards still has in-country help lines and, maybe, Amazon and Go Daddy do, too. Good for them.
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Post by mouse on Sept 5, 2017 4:42:27 GMT -5
trust me its nothing to do do with saving trees and everthing to do with control and saving money by eliminating human staff try talking to a computer next time your electricity cuts out or they give you the wrong bill Giving the work to computers eliminates hundreds of workers in call centers all over the world. In turn, those call center workers put an end to many, many clerical workers in the U.S. (probably the U.K., too). Just some of the jobs Trump has promised to bring back. Yeah ... right. lol yes certainly UK as well...and its supposed to add to life and make it easier... instead it detracts in so many ways so first ordianary UK/USA workers given computers and office etc numbers are reduced then they are made unemployed by the setting up of computer call centres in such places as India manned many times by graduates who some had difficulties understanding etc and then they were largely replaced by even better computers and the need for humans was reduced yet again and guess what computers don't turn up late or need holiday pay etc etc so the share/stock holders were very happy and governments too were very happy.. no more arguments about pay or working conditions ...no more nonsence about unions or rights and what is more as computers impacted on the commercial world so computers became a part of many households via either a computer proper or via phones.....and guess what governmets could then see what peoples were spending their monies on... some spending monies they were not supposed to have ...governmets rub their hand in glee when one can travel to the other end of the country go into a shop..offer some id and they then tell you your name address postcode etc that is not a good situation for individual freedoms
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Post by mouse on Sept 5, 2017 4:46:44 GMT -5
Giving the work to computers eliminates hundreds of workers in call centers all over the world. In turn, those call center workers put an end to many, many clerical workers in the U.S. (probably the U.K., too). Just some of the jobs Trump has promised to bring back. Yeah ... right. lol You bet. A lot of Trumpites probably used to be the people who covered the lines at "help desks" for retail and public service industries. I heard Citi Bank is one of the few call centers left in this country that are not run for charity. The jobs didn't pay a whole lot but it was a upgrade from fast food work and good for entry level. Then, they sent them out of the country and both displaced workers and customers have been unhappy about it ever sense. I think ProBoards still has in-country help lines and, maybe, Amazon and Go Daddy do, too. Good for them. You bet."""" A lot of Trumpites probably used to be the people who covered the lines at "help desks" for retail and public service industries""" do you not think they have a right to be aggrieved and angry ?....many are on the scrap heap for no fault of their own and we are in early days of computerism and nano tech.... the help dest and office worker types are only the first casualties...as machines improve more and more will be come redundant
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