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Post by beth on Mar 8, 2012 18:40:04 GMT -5
Colorado court says students can carry guns on campus DENVER (Reuters) - The University of Colorado overstepped its authority when the school's board of regents imposed a ban on the carrying of concealed weapons at its four campuses, the state's Supreme Court ruled on Monday. In overturning the policy, the court said that a concealed -carry law passed by the state legislature trumped the school's ban because it did not carve out an exception for the state's flagship university. "We hold that the (concealed carry law's) comprehensive statewide purpose, broad language, and narrow exclusions show that the General Assembly intended to divest the Board of Regents of its authority to regulate concealed handgun possession on campus," the ruling said. "This is a victory for gun rights as well as civil rights," said James Manley, an attorney with the Mountain States Legal Foundation that sued on behalf of three students who challenged the ban. "The University of Colorado has to follow state law and the regents can't ignore that." Ken McConnellogue, spokesman for the university, said the regents believed as an elected body they had the legal right to set security policy at their campuses. "We're disappointed that the state supreme court has taken away what the university believed was its statutory and constitutional authority to provide for the safety of our students, faculty, staff and visitors," he said. Currently, 22 states ban the carrying of concealed weapons on college campuses, and Utah is the only state that explicitly forbids the banning of concealed weapons at its 10 public colleges and universities, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL) web site. Last year, the Oregon Court of Appeals overturned the state university system's ban on carrying guns on campus, the conference said. Additionally, Wisconsin law allows concealed weapons on college campuses, but schools can forbid weapons inside its buildings if signs are posted outside each facility saying weapons are prohibited. The Colorado case stemmed from three students with valid concealed-carry permits who sued in 2008 after university police denied them permission to carry their weapons on campus. The students lost at the trial court level, but the ruling was overturned by the Colorado Court of Appeals. The university appealed that ruling, setting the stage for a review by the state's highest court. McConnellogue said the regents would meet with the university's legal counsel to decide how to comply with the ruling while maintaining security on campus. He said it is unclear how the ruling will affect other university properties such as the university's football stadium in Boulder and its hospital in suburban Denver. (Reporting by Keith Coffman; Editing by Dan Whitcomb and Greg McCune) news.yahoo.com/colorado-court-says-students-carry-guns-campus-014512749.html |
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Post by akamai on Mar 8, 2012 18:50:31 GMT -5
The are crazy. Anyone who has gone to college should know that there are a lot of immature people there, and a lot of alcohol drinking. They will be lucky of no one gets murdered on campus because of their stupidity.
Besides that, it is my opinion that no one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a gun, let alone pack one.
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Post by beth on Mar 9, 2012 10:51:08 GMT -5
It seems to me they're forgetting that along with arming those who feel a need to protect themselves, they are making it possible for potential killers to be able to walk right into a classroom and fire off a round at will. Maybe even enabling because people with hair trigger tempers who might cool off given a little time, could act on impulse with a handy, loaded weapon.
If it's felt weapons are the best idea, why not tasers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 11:50:22 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I remember some of my college days; in the legendary "deep south" where well-nigh everybody carried a gun. Or had one to carry, if desired. Law, or no law . . .
We didn't have all of the campus shootings (a la Columbine and Virginia Tech) - not until we started screwing with the laws, playing social engineer, and warping people's minds.
You will never eliminate violence altogether - it just ain't gonna happen. Anyone who wants to do it can, and will find a way; Cain (and David) did a pretty fair job with unregistered rocks.
An interesting side note is that way that Washington D.C. has gone to ridiculous lengths to circumvent the Second Amendment - resulting in the Supreme Court overturning their work.
And as time goes by, since striking down the anti-gun laws . . . the violent crime rate in DC continues to fall.
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Post by akamai on Mar 9, 2012 21:42:16 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I remember some of my college days; in the legendary "deep south" where well-nigh everybody carried a gun. Or had one to carry, if desired. Law, or no law . . . We didn't have all of the campus shootings (a la Columbine and Virginia Tech) - not until we started screwing with the laws, playing social engineer, and warping people's minds. You will never eliminate violence altogether - it just ain't gonna happen. Anyone who wants to do it can, and will find a way; Cain (and David) did a pretty fair job with unregistered rocks. An interesting side note is that way that Washington D.C. has gone to ridiculous lengths to circumvent the Second Amendment - resulting in the Supreme Court overturning their work. And as time goes by, since striking down the anti-gun laws . . . the violent crime rate in DC continues to fall. What year was that Lewis? Being that you are a little older than I am, it must have been while I was in high school, where no one had a gun. We carried switchblade knives and brass knuckes, and if you could get your hands on a .22 caliber rim fire cartridge, you could make a "zip gun" which was highly inaccurate. North, South, East, or West, it was difficult for a young adult to get a gun, and just about no one had one. Our homicide rates were low in ALL states. Now, there are more guns than adults over the age of 21 in this country, and we do have the VA Tech and Columbine massacres. When I went to college, no one that I know of had a gun, and if one of the guys around was known to have one, he wouldn't tell anyone because it wouldn't be long before it got stolen. AKM |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 22:11:22 GMT -5
My first year of college was in 1952. I guess we were reverse images of one another ... I'd HEARD about brass knuckles and switchblades, but never saw such things until I got out into the larger world.
I think it wasn't so much of WHEN but WHERE. My environment wasn't urban or even suburban; it was rural.
When we fought, we fought with fists (and feet, and knees, or whatever it took); but we never used weapons as such.
I've never considered a pocket knife to be a weapon - it was a tool you used to scrape dog crap off your shoe (and then later, forget and probably peel an apple). Every boy from the 3rd grade up had one - and I still feel undressed without one.
.22 shells weren't hard to come by at all - but I also made my own ammunition, from gunpowder made out of crushed match heads.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 22:42:49 GMT -5
There's something here that "gun haters" seem to miss.
When it's legal to carry, you don't have to be actually carrying to be protected.
Those who would do harm to the unarmed won't know if you're armed, or not - but knowing that you well could be - they tend to leave you in peace.
Yes, if there's an enraged homicidal lunatic in the mix, then there's not much you can do but hope that somebody drops him before he kills a lot of people.
But then, he'd be apt to walk in with an explosive vest (like jihadists do) and kill even more people, wouldn't he?
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Post by akamai on Mar 10, 2012 0:18:31 GMT -5
My first year of college was in 1952. I guess we were reverse images of one another ... I'd HEARD about brass knuckles and switchblades, but never saw such things until I got out into the larger world. I think it wasn't so much of WHEN but WHERE. My environment wasn't urban or even suburban; it was rural. When we fought, we fought with fists (and feet, and knees, or whatever it took); but we never used weapons as such. I've never considered a pocket knife to be a weapon - it was a tool you used to scrape dog crap off your shoe (and then later, forget and probably peel an apple). Every boy from the 3rd grade up had one - and I still feel undressed without one. .22 shells weren't hard to come by at all - but I also made my own ammunition, from gunpowder made out of crushed match heads. Lewis, In 1952, if you counted every man, woman, and child in the USA, the population was 157,552,740 Source: www.demographia.com/db-uspop1900.htm. Also, in 1952, ALL colleges in the South mainland US were segregated, where you had White colleges, and Black colleges. In fact, in most states in the South, there were laws against inter-racial marriages until case law "Loving vs Virginia" in 1967. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._VirginiaHow many privately owned guns were there in 1952? I don't know the answer to that, but when I was in California for a year in 1960, New Jersey in 1962, and Alabama also in 1962, privately owned guns other than hunting rifles were very rare. I really don't think there were near as many guns in our citizenry as we had adults at the age of 21 or older like we do today. Today, we have a LOT of guns in our society, and the colleges are intergrated. I don't know where you went to college, but I really doubt that you had a lot of guns on campus carried by students or instructors if any at all. In 1960, while in California, I worked on a stawberry farm in Watsonville. Nearly every farmer if not all, had at lease one rifle and a shotgun, which we used to kill varmints like birds or small mammals that threatened our crops. Gangs with guns were VERY rare. Today, you have gang bangers who are "naked" without a gun. In 1952, while in college you had alcohol drinking, you didn't have crystal meth, LSD, hash, or cocaine, and pot and heroin were hard to get because possession of those items was a federal offense punishable by as much as 5 years in prison. I don't know what college you went to in 1952, I was in college in 1961, and half of 1962, and other than a policeman on duty, or a person attending ROTC classes, I never saw a gun. AKM |
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Post by akamai on Mar 10, 2012 0:25:06 GMT -5
There's something here that "gun haters" seem to miss. When it's legal to carry, you don't have to be actually carrying to be protected. Those who would do harm to the unarmed won't know if you're armed, or not - but knowing that you well could be - they tend to leave you in peace. Yes, if there's an enraged homicidal lunatic in the mix, then there's not much you can do but hope that somebody drops him before he kills a lot of people. But then, he'd be apt to walk in with an explosive vest (like jihadists do) and kill even more people, wouldn't he? The problem with packing a gun, concealed or not, is if someone wants your gun, he will either shoot you, or club you from behind, and then he becomes armed. Anyone who would do THAT, is not exactly an upstanding citizen. I keep a gun in my home, but it is disassembled with the hammer assembly at a different place from the rest of the gun. If ever I have the need to protect my home, I can always put it together in a couple of minutes. If I don't have the time, I have a katana, and I know how to use it. In all the years I have owned a gun, I have never had to use it in self-defense, I never wished I had it with me to protect myself or anyone, and I am very thankful for that. AKM |
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Post by akamai on Mar 10, 2012 11:33:12 GMT -5
There's something here that "gun haters" seem to miss. When it's legal to carry, you don't have to be actually carrying to be protected. Those who would do harm to the unarmed won't know if you're armed, or not - but knowing that you well could be - they tend to leave you in peace. Yes, if there's an enraged homicidal lunatic in the mix, then there's not much you can do but hope that somebody drops him before he kills a lot of people. But then, he'd be apt to walk in with an explosive vest (like jihadists do) and kill even more people, wouldn't he? Lewis, You are thinking of a society with RESPONSIBLE gun owners, which is fine. But, with all the guns out in our society, we have enough irresponsible gun owners that become a problem. There should be a steep fine or even prison time for a gun owner, who has a gun used by someone else to commit a crime. There is simply no excuse for that. In the military, if you lose your issued weapon, you pay for it, It should be a bigger penalty if it happens in civilian life. I don't hate guns, and If I ever move to a higher crime area, I will buy an assault rifle to protect my home, and I have a 9mm Glock that I can pack if I ever feel it is necessary, but I am a responsible gun owner. If anyone steals any of my guns, it will not be easily used as a firearm, or he will have to take it off my dead body. Alcohol and guns don't mix, and that is what you will have in a college that allows you to pack a gun on campus. When you have a shooting like VA Tech or Columbine, it is directly because of some irresponsible gun owner, or by a person who had no business being in possession of a gun or or both. AKM |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2012 13:02:19 GMT -5
Perhaps I should continue on and clarify. Apparently, you're thinking of handguns; I'm not. When I refer to guns, I mean all firearms in general.
My first college was an all-male, seminary-type junior college in Maxton, North Carolina. We had one single decrepit dormitory (under about half a dozen posted writs forbidding human habitation).
I had in my dorm room a .410 shotgun; the guy next door had a 12-guage auto; elsewhere was a guy with a .22 revolver. Nobody took their guns to class - that would have been ridiiculous. From the dorm, it took a long time (about ten minutes) to walk to the woods off campus. In the woods we shot squirrels, tin cans, and old paper plates.
Nobody thought a think about it. Nobody worked themselves up into a frenzy by worrying about what MIGHT happen, so that they then made mind-warping rules that would bring on what they so dreaded. Free, casual acceptance was the key.
Prison for irresponsible gun owners? How about for irresponsible cooks who leave kitchen cutlery laying about? How about those people who are careless with baseball bats? Carpenters with hammers?
And at the end, how about Cain's unregistered rock?
Incidentally, did you miss that part about the "bad guys" not knowing who was armed and who wasn't? Of COURSE he'd work to circumvent you - if he knew.
What keeps my home safe at night is not the cop on the corner -
Out here, the nearest corner is 3/4 mile down a dirt road and the nearest cop is a sheriff's deputy patrolling a county the size of a European country. No, what keeps us safe is the common knowledge that country boys have, and unhesitatingly use, guns.
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Post by akamai on Mar 10, 2012 15:31:26 GMT -5
Perhaps I should continue on and clarify. Apparently, you're thinking of handguns; I'm not. When I refer to guns, I mean all firearms in general. My first college was an all-male, seminary-type junior college in Maxton, North Carolina. We had one single decrepit dormitory (under about half a dozen posted writs forbidding human habitation). I had in my dorm room a .410 shotgun; the guy next door had a 12-guage auto; elsewhere was a guy with a .22 revolver. Nobody took their guns to class - that would have been ridiiculous. From the dorm, it took a long time (about ten minutes) to walk to the woods off campus. In the woods we shot squirrels, tin cans, and old paper plates. Nobody thought a think about it. Nobody worked themselves up into a frenzy by worrying about what MIGHT happen, so that they then made mind-warping rules that would bring on what they so dreaded. Free, casual acceptance was the key. Prison for irresponsible gun owners? How about for irresponsible cooks who leave kitchen cutlery laying about? How about those people who are careless with baseball bats? Carpenters with hammers? And at the end, how about Cain's unregistered rock? Incidentally, did you miss that part about the "bad guys" not knowing who was armed and who wasn't? Of COURSE he'd work to circumvent you - if he knew. What keeps my home safe at night is not the cop on the corner - Out here, the nearest corner is 3/4 mile down a dirt road and the nearest cop is a sheriff's deputy patrolling a county the size of a European country. No, what keeps us safe is the common knowledge that country boys have, and unhesitatingly use, guns. Lewis, That is NOT "packing a gun on campus". That is having a gun in your dorm, which is a very different thing. While the dorm room is "technically" on campus, it still isn't "packing". Even then, having a gun in your dorm room is crazy if you have drinking there, which is usually prohibited, but still happens more often than having sex in the dorms, which is also usually prohibited, but I would much rather see people having sex while armed than drinking while armed. AKM |
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