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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 14:18:33 GMT -5
While I have a great deal of sympathy for the situation in England and certain European countries, I think it's important to realize we do not have that extreme situation here. That's why you'll see a milder response from us. We have such a mix of immigrants the Muslims just fall into the salad bowl with the rest. LE and particularly Feds do keep an eye on them., Local LE do not give them any special consideration - maybe the opposite in some cities. In my particular location, there are a few Muslims. Most I've seen are doctors, nurses or business owners. Forgive me if I'm presuming familiarity, but imo, your politicians need to lay down some immigration standards sooner than later. Why do you suppose they haven't done that? I assume you know of which you speak in lambasting the liberals but I don't see there's been much effort in the past to do better. It seems to me your standards should be higher than ours because you have less space to work with. Quote : "Do not have that extreme situation here"...... not yet Beth. loganswarning.com/2012/04/02/egypts-muslim-brotherhood-is-in-america-holding-meeting-in-secret-location-tomorrow-with-us-islamic-organization/Interesting link, that one From the comments:- <<Just a reminder of the Muslim Brotherhood`s “General Strategic Goal” (from a captured internal document): THE PROJECT “cultural invasion” of the West. “maintain the appearance of moderation” “destroying Western civilisation from within” “using deception to mask.. intended goals…” “creating autonomous “security forces” “a constant campaign to incite hatred .. against Jews”And many other strategies …See www.militantislammonitor.orgwww.frontpagemag.com 11 May 2006 >>> Yet some folk are adamant that we're wrong to target these people...
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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 14:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 4, 2012 15:35:26 GMT -5
One peodo said a young victim was racist and another said it "'It was not us victimising them. It was them victimising us... It was the other way around." So there you have it, all the children's fault. Under Sharia law, the testimony of a man always has more weight than that of a woman. Also, under Sharia law, slavery is legal. Here's the relevant quotation from the Quran: O you who believe! When you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness…and call from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other. (Quran, 2:282) And here's a comment on those verses by a man who freely admits to being an Islamophobe: There is no verse anywhere in the Qur’an, which directs a court of law to consider a woman’s witness to be half reliable as that of a man. As for the verse 282 of Al-Baqarah, which is presented to substantiate the viewpoint in question, it has quite a different meaning and implication than what is construed from it… Actually this verse addresses the common man. It does not relate to the law and thus gives no directive regarding judicial matters. In other words, it does not call upon the state, the legislative council or the legal authorities. This verse just invokes the common man’s attention for taking precautionary measures in case of a particular situation of conflict… The verse states that when two or more individuals enter into an agreement for a loan for a fixed period of time, they should write it down thereby avoiding any misunderstanding or dispute. As a further safeguard to avoid such misunderstanding, they should make two men witnesses to the agreement. In case they are not able to find two men, then they may take two women instead of a man…Obviously, if this were a directive pertaining to judicial matters, it would have addressed the state or legal authorities.
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 4, 2012 15:45:09 GMT -5
Semantics - does it really matter which sky fairy (allegedly) sent 'em down? And as mo was illiterate, he couldn't write it down anyway...It's not at all semantics, Mark. If you believe in God there's all the difference in the world between an angel and God Himself. I didn't realise Mein Kampf was intended to be a 'holy book' - an instruction manual, certainly. Again, semantics? Of course, and I mean this without any animosity but as a statement of fact, you have more of a personal issue with the Nazis than most...Maybe you ought to study some history of the period, then. You could start with Rosenberg's 'Articles' where among other things he specifically stated his goal of removing the Bible from all churches and placing Mein Kampf on the altar and so on and so on. Then there's Himmler's neo pagan fantasies; Bormann's comments that 'National Socialism and Christianity are incompatible;' the brave resistance by men like Niemoeller, Bonhoeffer and others. Niemoeller led the biggest antiNazi demonstration under the Third Reich. Even the Bishop of Rome got in the act with 'Mit brennender sorge' in which he condemned Rosenberg in particular and Nazism in general. Unfortunately he died and his successor was a pro-Nazi bish. Thirdly, I guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to whether the judgement is dubious or not. Both are distasteful, for sure, but the koran scores higher, particularly as it's been more widely disseminated AND is in common use today.Of course any kind of argument about morals (like about art) is going to be impossible to prove either way. But in Mein Kampf there's not one thing positive I can find to say about it. In the Quran there are lots even though (like in the Bible and every other sacred book I've ever read from the Zendavesta to Das Kapital) there have been lots of BAD things in it too. Nice try, sweetiepie but you get to lose again!
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 4, 2012 15:55:20 GMT -5
Well, here's Boris urging Muslims to fast during Ramadan: my.telegraph.co.uk/riteman/riteway/13783586/Boris_Johnson_and_Islam/SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2009 21:21 Boris Johnson and Islam By riteway Boris suggests that non-Muslims should fast for a day during Ramadan to better understand the religion. (It's only fair to add that the comment goes on to rubbish not just Boris but also Islam) Anyway, the point is that both Ken and Boris are cynically trying to appeal to the Muslim vote. Let's have some even-handedness in the vitriol stakes rather than just the tired old selective indignation hypocrisy again!
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Post by fretslider on Apr 4, 2012 16:17:39 GMT -5
"Boris suggests that non-Muslims should fast for a day during Ramadan to better understand the religion. "
He can sod off, then.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 20:44:09 GMT -5
Well, here's Boris urging Muslims to fast during Ramadan: my.telegraph.co.uk/riteman/riteway/13783586/Boris_Johnson_and_Islam/SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2009 21:21 Boris Johnson and Islam By riteway Boris suggests that non-Muslims should fast for a day during Ramadan to better understand the religion. (It's only fair to add that the comment goes on to rubbish not just Boris but also Islam) Anyway, the point is that both Ken and Boris are cynically trying to appeal to the Muslim vote. Let's have some even-handedness in the vitriol stakes rather than just the tired old selective indignation hypocrisy again! Well, if Boris still says that, he's an idiot. I do note, however, that your link dates from 2009. Is he still saying that? Besides which, your support for Paddick is known, so I guess you'll quite like to see both BoJo & King Newt fail, eh?
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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 20:50:48 GMT -5
"Boris suggests that non-Muslims should fast for a day during Ramadan to better understand the religion. "He can sod off, then. I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier ;D
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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 21:15:07 GMT -5
Semantics - does it really matter which sky fairy (allegedly) sent 'em down? And as mo was illiterate, he couldn't write it down anyway...It's not at all semantics, Mark. If you believe in God there's all the difference in the world between an angel and God Himself. I didn't realise Mein Kampf was intended to be a 'holy book' - an instruction manual, certainly. Again, semantics? Of course, and I mean this without any animosity but as a statement of fact, you have more of a personal issue with the Nazis than most...Maybe you ought to study some history of the period, then. You could start with Rosenberg's 'Articles' where among other things he specifically stated his goal of removing the Bible from all churches and placing Mein Kampf on the altar and so on and so on. Then there's Himmler's neo pagan fantasies; Bormann's comments that 'National Socialism and Christianity are incompatible;' the brave resistance by men like Niemoeller, Bonhoeffer and others. Niemoeller led the biggest antiNazi demonstration under the Third Reich. Even the Bishop of Rome got in the act with 'Mit brennender sorge' in which he condemned Rosenberg in particular and Nazism in general. Unfortunately he died and his successor was a pro-Nazi bish. Thirdly, I guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to whether the judgement is dubious or not. Both are distasteful, for sure, but the koran scores higher, particularly as it's been more widely disseminated AND is in common use today.Of course any kind of argument about morals (like about art) is going to be impossible to prove either way. But in Mein Kampf there's not one thing positive I can find to say about it. In the Quran there are lots even though (like in the Bible and every other sacred book I've ever read from the Zendavesta to Das Kapital) there have been lots of BAD things in it too. Nice try, sweetiepie but you get to lose again! Thank you for the info about Rosenberg et al - I wonder if this was the inspiration for the odious Alastair Campbell's claim that 'Labour doesn't do god'? Worth a thought. As for 'losing' - nah. I still maintain that the koran is the inspiration for much of the ongoing trouble round the world, FAR more so than Mein Kampf, the bible (especially the NT) and you could throw Das Kapital into the mix as well, eh?
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Post by mouse on Apr 5, 2012 2:28:33 GMT -5
Perhaps it might be more sensible to take Muhammad's word for it. He did NOT say that Allah wrote the Quran; he said that it was dictated to him by the Angel Gabriel. Not quite the same thing. he... mohammed also said at one point...to listen to his words as if god himself had spoken so mohammed said and allah agreed
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Post by mouse on Apr 5, 2012 2:32:26 GMT -5
an other one who doesnt work and who we keep along with wife of 19.... sprogs and mother as the eldest child is 4 and the mother is 19 one wonders how old the mother was when she was married to this sponger and this comes as no suprise..its the usual guide lines which have been used to good advantage for 1400yrs..it worked in spain and other parts of the world THE PROJECT “cultural invasion” of the West. “maintain the appearance of moderation” “destroying Western civilisation from within” “using deception to mask.. intended goals…” “creating autonomous “security forces” “a constant campaign to incite hatred .. against Jews”
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 5, 2012 10:51:44 GMT -5
Well, here's Boris urging Muslims to fast during Ramadan: my.telegraph.co.uk/riteman/riteway/13783586/Boris_Johnson_and_Islam/SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2009 21:21 Boris Johnson and Islam By riteway Boris suggests that non-Muslims should fast for a day during Ramadan to better understand the religion. (It's only fair to add that the comment goes on to rubbish not just Boris but also Islam) Anyway, the point is that both Ken and Boris are cynically trying to appeal to the Muslim vote. Let's have some even-handedness in the vitriol stakes rather than just the tired old selective indignation hypocrisy again! Well, if Boris still says that, he's an idiot. I do note, however, that your link dates from 2009. Is he still saying that? Besides which, your support for Paddick is known, so I guess you'll quite like to see both BoJo & King Newt fail, eh? Well, I've never made any secret of my support for Paddick. On the other hand, I'm not stupid enough to think he'll win. We get two votes and I still haven't made up my mind who to vote for on the second ballot which will be between Livingstone and Johnson. My point is that trying to make out that somehow Johnson is any less likely to pander to the Muslims in search of votes is - well, a bit like believing in the tooth fairy, I suppose.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 5, 2012 12:50:10 GMT -5
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Post by Soulman on Apr 5, 2012 13:02:30 GMT -5
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