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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 10:52:33 GMT -5
Allah wrote the Koran, not men. If you don't believe that you're either apostate or an infidel -- either way, you're marked for death. I don't believe it - there, I said it ;D If a "religion" were built around Mein Kampf, the civilized world would react with alarm. What's in the Koran is far worse than what's in Hitler's book, and the civilized world wants to accommodate these hatemongering swine. Good points, well made
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 4, 2012 10:53:21 GMT -5
I don't want a mosque, Joseph ... just don't see much possibility the powers that be and the locals will go for that. But it IS a religion, while, as far as I know, the KKK is not .. though I have little doubt there ARE churches that would happily support their efforts. It's not a religion and every governmental entity in the United States, as well as the American public, should state that in writing. It IS a religion and no amount of wishful thinking will make it anything else.
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 4, 2012 10:55:05 GMT -5
Perhaps it might be more sensible to take Muhammad's word for it.
He did NOT say that Allah wrote the Quran; he said that it was dictated to him by the Angel Gabriel.
Not quite the same thing.
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 4, 2012 10:58:57 GMT -5
Allah wrote the Koran, not men. If you don't believe that you're either apostate or an infidel -- either way, you're marked for death. I don't believe it - there, I said it ;D If a "religion" were built around Mein Kampf, the civilized world would react with alarm. What's in the Koran is far worse than what's in Hitler's book, and the civilized world wants to accommodate these hatemongering swine. Good points, well made In the first place the initial statement 'Allah wrote the Quran' is FALSE. Muhammad claimed the Angel Gabriel - NOT Allah - gave him the words. Secondly, Rosenberg in particular DID try to make 'Mein Kampf' the holy book of Germany. Thirdly, the idea that 'what's in the Quran is far worse than what's in Hitler's book' is almost laugbable and certainly totally distasteful So, rather than being 'good points, well made' the first point is factually WRONG; the second shows an ignorance of history; and the third is a highly dubious value judgement. Nil out of 3!
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Post by beth on Apr 4, 2012 11:00:11 GMT -5
He did NOT say that Allah wrote the Quran; he said that it was dictated to him by the Angel Gabriel. huh oh ... I see a crossover problem right there. Isn't Gabriel the arch angel of death?
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 4, 2012 11:01:45 GMT -5
He did NOT say that Allah wrote the Quran; he said that it was dictated to him by the Angel Gabriel. huh oh ... I see a crossover problem right there. Isn't Gabriel the arch angel of death? No, that's Uriel or, as the Muslims call him, Israfel.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 11:15:33 GMT -5
I don't believe it - there, I said it ;D Good points, well made In the first place the initial statement 'Allah wrote the Quran' is FALSE. Muhammad claimed the Angel Gabriel - NOT Allah - gave him the words. Secondly, Rosenberg in particular DID try to make 'Mein Kampf' the holy book of Germany. Thirdly, the idea that 'what's in the Quran is far worse than what's in Hitler's book' is almost laugbable and certainly totally distasteful So, rather than being 'good points, well made' the first point is factually WRONG; the second shows an ignorance of history; and the third is a highly dubious value judgement. Nil out of 3! Semantics - does it really matter which sky fairy (allegedly) sent 'em down? And as mo was illiterate, he couldn't write it down anyway... I didn't realise Mein Kampf was intended to be a 'holy book' - an instruction manual, certainly. Again, semantics? Of course, and I mean this without any animosity but as a statement of fact, you have more of a personal issue with the Nazis than most... Thirdly, I guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to whether the judgement is dubious or not. Both are distasteful, for sure, but the koran scores higher, particularly as it's been more widely disseminated AND is in common use today. Nice try, hun ;D
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Post by beth on Apr 4, 2012 11:16:29 GMT -5
I think it depends on the religion, Lin. In Islam, you're correct but in Jewish tradition, "Angel of Death" comes in there somewhere in connection with Gabriel. Don't have time to look it up right now and admit I may have something scrambled but a Catholic Priest friend, who is by way of being a scholar and a gentleman , is the one who told me that. I'll take a few minutes and look it up later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 11:22:19 GMT -5
He did NOT say that Allah wrote the Quran; he said that it was dictated to him by the Angel Gabriel. Nevertheless, the muzzies believe the koran is literally the word of allah, character-for-character. debate.org.uk/topics/history/debate/part1.htmYou cannot appreciate the danger islam represents to humanity until you actually read the vile piece of crap called the koran, which they have swallowed, and keep swallowing, hook, line and sinker.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 11:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 13:00:37 GMT -5
Spokesman for the group's military operations, Sheikh Abdiasis Abu Musab, said: 'We were behind the theatre blast. We targeted the infidel ministers and legislators, and they were the casualties of today.' Emphasis mine. The Koran specifically justifies this kind of violence, in words any child can understand. They're not extremists. They're not fundamentalists. They're muslims. They live, eat and breathe for holy war.
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Post by maggie on Apr 4, 2012 13:31:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 13:40:38 GMT -5
One peodo said a young victim was racist and another said it "'It was not us victimising them. It was them victimising us... It was the other way around." So there you have it, all the children's fault. Under Sharia law, the testimony of a man always has more weight than that of a woman. Also, under Sharia law, slavery is legal.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 4, 2012 13:41:51 GMT -5
<<The cross examination continued and the defendant again turned on the alleged victims. Slamming his hand on the table, he said: ' Where are the white people? You have only got my kind here. You are looking for scapegoats. Where are the white people? They have trained them in sex. They have trained them in drinking. By the time they are fully trained they start their own business.'>> That's because YOU are the ones being prosecuted here, matey "My kind" - interesting choice of words. Why, anyone would think that there was an implication that they are 'different'... This 'defence' seems to be the classic justification for keeping females locked away & covered up, doesn't it? Obviously these poor souls were minding their own pious business when they were set upon by these Jezebels, and they, being weak-willed chaps, as apparently all of their ilk are , they, well, just couldn't help themselves, could they? *switches irony mode off, for the benefit of the tape Also, WHY can't the 59 year old be identified? Anybody know?
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Post by Soulman on Apr 4, 2012 13:59:30 GMT -5
While I have a great deal of sympathy for the situation in England and certain European countries, I think it's important to realize we do not have that extreme situation here. That's why you'll see a milder response from us. We have such a mix of immigrants the Muslims just fall into the salad bowl with the rest. LE and particularly Feds do keep an eye on them., Local LE do not give them any special consideration - maybe the opposite in some cities. In my particular location, there are a few Muslims. Most I've seen are doctors, nurses or business owners. Forgive me if I'm presuming familiarity, but imo, your politicians need to lay down some immigration standards sooner than later. Why do you suppose they haven't done that? I assume you know of which you speak in lambasting the liberals but I don't see there's been much effort in the past to do better. It seems to me your standards should be higher than ours because you have less space to work with. Quote : "Do not have that extreme situation here"...... not yet Beth. loganswarning.com/2012/04/02/egypts-muslim-brotherhood-is-in-america-holding-meeting-in-secret-location-tomorrow-with-us-islamic-organization/
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