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Post by Dex on Mar 15, 2020 12:17:44 GMT -5
People who think this is a "hoax" are totally off the mark. You have yet to present evidence that it's not. All we know for sure is how easily millions of people are duped into believing anything they want to believe. Joe, if Trump would cooperate by being a decent person, you might make progress in defending him, but he's not likely to do that so you're wasting your key strokes.
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Post by Jessiealan on Mar 15, 2020 14:17:24 GMT -5
Well, I don't think it's common sense to try to turn the Coronavirus into a Political tug and pull. Too late. The Democrats saw to that. You didn't see Democrats demanding the U.S. economy be tanked during the H1N1 pandemic. Why? Because the Dark One was President. Joseph it is probably too late, but please try to get over your Trump-worship long enough to realize things are not being handled well from the WH. The President has made a mistake by firing all the clear thinkers who do not always agree with him and retaining the toadies who stand aside and let him, in his ignorance, call the shots. There is danger in the current situation.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 15, 2020 20:57:56 GMT -5
things are not being handled well from the WH. True, he declared a national emergency when one did not, and does not, exist. There is danger in the current situation. No, there isn't. It's not even an epidemic, and it's not going to become one.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 15, 2020 21:00:08 GMT -5
if Trump would cooperate by being a decent person, you might make progress in defending him, but he's not likely to do that so you're wasting your key strokes. Why is it EVEN HIS PROBLEM? I didn't elect him to wet-nurse ignorant, uneducated, stupid people who don't know the difference between a virion and bacterium.
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Post by mouse on Mar 16, 2020 4:48:03 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Mar 16, 2020 5:19:03 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Mar 16, 2020 5:20:08 GMT -5
if Trump would cooperate by being a decent person, you might make progress in defending him, but he's not likely to do that so you're wasting your key strokes. Why is it EVEN HIS PROBLEM? I didn't elect him to wet-nurse ignorant, uneducated, stupid people who don't know the difference between a virion and bacterium. At the risk of labouring the point, this is the age of abject alarmism.
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Post by fretslider on Mar 16, 2020 5:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Mar 16, 2020 5:35:20 GMT -5
Americans poaching German scientists? There ain't much new under the Sun!
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Post by mouse on Mar 16, 2020 6:05:14 GMT -5
I knew you would pick up on that Fret.....shades of 45.....it gave the edge to the space race but in regard to the virus... sole use off.... my word... and if we or others get their first.. would any one else want sole use of......
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Post by Dex on Mar 16, 2020 10:49:49 GMT -5
things are not being handled well from the WH. True, he declared a national emergency when one did not, and does not, exist. There is danger in the current situation. No, there isn't. It's not even an epidemic, and it's not going to become one. I guess even you miss the mark occasionally, Joe. Sorry you won't have the MAGA Rallies to go to for awhile.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 16, 2020 11:02:09 GMT -5
I guess even you miss the mark occasionally, Joe. Sorry you won't have the MAGA Rallies to go to for awhile. Miss the mark? This has nothing to do with Trump, any more than H1N1 had anything to do with the Dark One.
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Post by mouse on Mar 16, 2020 11:51:45 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-trying-to-buy-a-coronavirus-vaccine-shows-why-big-pharma-needs-to-change/ar-BB11fWHD?ocid=spartandhpCoronavirus has exposed the effects of successive budgetary cuts on the NHS, leaving the health service under-resourced and ill-equipped to cope with a pandemic. And like other pandemics before it, coronavirus will disproportionately take the lives of those who are most vulnerable: the elderly, the homeless, prisoners, migrants denied access to healthcare, and those with existing health conditions such as cancer and HIV . President Trump, whose ‘shameless attempt to buy the right to life (with little regard for those it excludes)’ has been greeted with anger. The virus has also shone a light on another fatal weakness in our health system: the profit-driven pharmaceutical innovation model that we rely upon to develop life-saving vaccines and medicines. The news that Donald Trump has sought to buy up the exclusive rights to a promising Covid-19 vaccine from a German biotech firm has been greeted with anger. During a global crisis, when all of humanity is at risk, our sense of fairness – and our own self-interest – makes this shameless attempt to buy the right to life (with little regard for those it excludes) seem immoral. In the same way that pandemics show the worst in us, they can also teach us how to make ourselves safer But this is about more than just Trump. Coronavirus should give us pause to reflect upon whether the pharmaceutical industry, and the monopolies that drive its profits, should continue to control which medicines will be developed, and who will get to access them. Profit is what drives decision-making in the pharmaceuticals industry. It’s why we don’t have drugs to treat diseases such as tuberculosis, which kill millions of the world’s poor every year – and it’s also why we aren’t closer to finding a vaccine for Covid-19. This isn’t the first coronavirus to threaten the world, after all. Researchers had a promising candidate to treat viruses like Sars and coronavirus in 2016, but with little money to be made, they instead focused their efforts on more lucrative lines of business. After the Ebola crisis in 2014, which briefly threatened the rich world, western countries decided to research treatments for the disease that had been killing Africans for years. The Coalition of Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), a foundation based in Washington DC, was established in 2017 to drive public investment in R&D for pandemic treatments, but even today it complains that it has struggled to interest pharmaceutical companies in research that could save countless lives. As companies are starting to see the potential for profit in Covid-19, investment has grown; like almost every drug brought to market, the public sector will play a critical role in funding almost every candidate vaccine and treatment. But there is a huge risk that without government intervention, any vaccine for coronavirus will be priced so steeply that only rich countries will be able to afford it. In the US, Bernie Sanders has called for any coronavirus vaccine to be made available for free. Trump’s move to buy up exclusive use of a candidate vaccine for Americans does not bode well.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 16, 2020 12:01:11 GMT -5
This is crap, of course. Big pharma, and only big pharma, accounts for the high quality of life in the industrialized world. It can't, however, be relied-upon to develop VACCINES against viruses, because none of the ones developed so far actually work. They never will, because viruses mutate faster than vaccines can be developed.
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Post by annaj26 on Mar 16, 2020 22:20:38 GMT -5
Flu shots seem to be very helpful for some, but less so for others.
I wouldn't skip them unless you have an allergy. I take one every fall.
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