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Post by annaj26 on Mar 27, 2019 9:52:05 GMT -5
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Post by annaj26 on Mar 27, 2019 9:54:49 GMT -5
If Trump fiddles with health care, voters will not forget. He will cut his own throat and take his party down with him.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 27, 2019 14:03:13 GMT -5
If Trump fiddles with health care, voters will not forget. I distinctly recall the Republican party, and President Trump, promising to kill the despised ACA, so he's only keeping his campaign promises in trying to get rid of it. No one is getting denied health "care" in this country, and the ACA doesn't guarantee it. Millions, like me, can't afford the premiums, or the high deductibles, or the out-of-pocket expenses mandated by Obamacare plans. The sooner it's gone the better. |
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Post by Jessiealan on Mar 27, 2019 14:59:00 GMT -5
If Trump fiddles with health care, voters will not forget. I distinctly recall the Republican party, and President Trump, promising to kill the despised ACA, so he's only keeping his campaign promises in trying to get rid of it. No one is getting denied health "care" in this country, and the ACA doesn't guarantee it. Millions, like me, can't afford the premiums, or the high deductibles, or the out-of-pocket expenses mandated by Obamacare plans. The sooner it's gone the better. So, if YOU don't personally benefit, you'll say the hell with all those millions who do? You must work for an employer who does not offer a decent benefit package. Trump and his co-harts who are egging him on could create a situation where millions lost all assistance with health care. Do you really believe they could win 2020 if they get their wishes? Personally, I think it would cost the election. Appealing as that sounds, I would not risk health care lose for people who desperately need it. |
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Post by toby1 on Mar 27, 2019 16:56:39 GMT -5
The system in USA needs a total revamp and should be based on one of the European Countries, I suggest Holland or Belgium. I was in the Netherlands Healthcare system for thirty years and it works OK too, I earned more than the average so I had to pay an annual contribution but in 2017 this amounted to around $1400. I had experience of the Belgian Healthcare system too, they repaired my heart valve and regulated the heartbeat as well, total cost less than $20,000 and I received top class care and attention. We all know what is wrong with the Healthcare system in the USA yet nobody seems to want to put it right !
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Post by mouse on Mar 28, 2019 5:11:20 GMT -5
we hear a great deal of noise about the NHS and yet I and others with experience think the NHS is damned good at what it does.. and wouldn't be without it
the only problem with the NHS is the abuses from those who have never put a penny in the nhs pot and yet are able to take out at alarming costs
there is a suggestion that some form of passport will be necessary to acess the NHS
it wouldn't stop all abuse but certainly would cut back the abuses
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 28, 2019 9:19:52 GMT -5
you'll say the hell with all those millions who do? You must work for an employer who does not offer a decent benefit package. My benefits are fine, but they are only offered to me, not to my dependents. My medical care was just as good when I had no insurance as I have now. If you want to replace Obamacare with something that actually works and is affordable, go ahead, but the ACA has to go. Trump and his co-harts who are egging him on could create a situation where millions lost all assistance with health care. Do you really believe they could win 2020 if they get their wishes? Absolutely. The Democrats want illegals to have health insurance. They want open borders. That is going to be the main issue, not Obama "care." I would not risk health care lose for people who desperately need it. I desperately needed it, and got it, without insurance. I wouldn't be alive today if I didn't. Health care is not a national problem, and isn't a right. |
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Post by beth on Mar 28, 2019 10:44:01 GMT -5
you'll say the hell with all those millions who do? You must work for an employer who does not offer a decent benefit package. My benefits are fine, but they are only offered to me, not to my dependents. My medical care was just as good when I had no insurance as I have now. If you want to replace Obamacare with something that actually works and is affordable, go ahead, but the ACA has to go. Trump and his co-harts who are egging him on could create a situation where millions lost all assistance with health care. Do you really believe they could win 2020 if they get their wishes? Absolutely. The Democrats want illegals to have health insurance. They want open borders. That is going to be the main issue, not Obama "care." I would not risk health care lose for people who desperately need it. I desperately needed it, and got it, without insurance. I wouldn't be alive today if I didn't. Health care is not a national problem, and isn't a right. You seem to be adopting a view from your situation only, Joe. We have Humana through the employer and it's a good policy. A family we know has only VA and ACA and they have helped them have health care almost as good as ours. ACA is not perfect but I have a really hard time believing the Republican side of the aisle will improve things for the needy. It would be a miracle if they allowed pre-existing conditions to continue. I also have a big problem Trump is capable of spearheading anything of value. He has a kind of Picard-fixation ... wave his hand and "make it so". Then, it's up to a lot of suck-ups who will lean over backward to appease whoever is stuffing their pockets at any given time. I can't imagine them improving ACA for the benefit of those who need it ... just to meet their own ends. |
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Post by mouse on Mar 29, 2019 4:32:01 GMT -5
you'll say the hell with all those millions who do? You must work for an employer who does not offer a decent benefit package. My benefits are fine, but they are only offered to me, not to my dependents. My medical care was just as good when I had no insurance as I have now. If you want to replace Obamacare with something that actually works and is affordable, go ahead, but the ACA has to go. Trump and his co-harts who are egging him on could create a situation where millions lost all assistance with health care. Do you really believe they could win 2020 if they get their wishes? Absolutely. The Democrats want illegals to have health insurance. They want open borders. That is going to be the main issue, not Obama "care." I would not risk health care lose for people who desperately need it. I desperately needed it, and got it, without insurance. I wouldn't be alive today if I didn't. Health care is not a national problem, and isn't a right. if I remember rightly you got health care because some one else paid for it |
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 29, 2019 16:15:53 GMT -5
It would be a miracle if they allowed pre-existing conditions to continue. You're pretty naïve. The insurance company screen out those with pre-existing conditions simply by increasing the premiums. My situation isn't any different from anyone else in California. Most people here cannot afford anything on the individual market, even with subsidies, and the ones that do are one emergency from going bankrupt, because deductibles and minimum out-of-pocket requirements are so high. The ACA makes everything worse, except for the insurance corporations, not better. |
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Post by Sysop3 on Mar 29, 2019 20:08:31 GMT -5
It would be a miracle if they allowed pre-existing conditions to continue. You're pretty naïve. The insurance company screen out those with pre-existing conditions simply by increasing the premiums. My situation isn't any different from anyone else in California. Most people here cannot afford anything on the individual market, even with subsidies, and the ones that do are one emergency from going bankrupt, because deductibles and minimum out-of-pocket requirements are so high. The ACA makes everything worse, except for the insurance corporations, not better. I guess I should be glad I'm not in CA. My grandmother would be in sad shape since she depends on ACA for a lot of her Dr. appointments and for cut rates on her prescriptions. |
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Post by Jessiealan on Mar 29, 2019 22:56:51 GMT -5
You're pretty naïve. The insurance company screen out those with pre-existing conditions simply by increasing the premiums. My situation isn't any different from anyone else in California. Most people here cannot afford anything on the individual market, even with subsidies, and the ones that do are one emergency from going bankrupt, because deductibles and minimum out-of-pocket requirements are so high. The ACA makes everything worse, except for the insurance corporations, not better. I guess I should be glad I'm not in CA. My grandmother would be in sad shape since she depends on ACA for a lot of her Dr. appointments and for cut rates on her prescriptions. I also know people who would have to give up heath care without ACA. What a shame to have medical cures and not have access for living a few more years. We nee a new and better President. |
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Post by Jessiealan on Mar 29, 2019 23:01:29 GMT -5
The system in USA needs a total revamp and should be based on one of the European Countries, I suggest Holland or Belgium. I was in the Netherlands Healthcare system for thirty years and it works OK too, I earned more than the average so I had to pay an annual contribution but in 2017 this amounted to around $1400. I had experience of the Belgian Healthcare system too, they repaired my heart valve and regulated the heartbeat as well, total cost less than $20,000 and I received top class care and attention. We all know what is wrong with the Healthcare system in the USA yet nobody seems to want to put it right ! ACA is the best national health assistance system we have had so far. The right political wing does not want to spend the money on people who need it but use it for their own pet projects. I would not be surprised to learn Trump wants to use it for the "wall" with his name at the top in gold letters. Disgusting. |
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Post by toby1 on Mar 30, 2019 8:09:20 GMT -5
The real problem with the Healthcare system in the USA is the Lawyers. Far too many folk seek litigation when something goes wrong so Doctors tend to request the whole gamut of tests just to cover themselves against litigation also Doctors take out expensive Insurance to avoid getting Bankrupted if they make a mistake. The USA is going to see the Healthcare system go into slow but steady decline due to a mass of Immigrants who do not / will never contribute. We have this in the UK, our once efficient National Health system is creaking at the seams due to Millions of non-contributing Immigrants who also bring strange diseases with them. We wiped out TB in the UK but now it is back and killing people. We have over 100 cases of Leprosy each year plus other strange diseases that have to be referred to specialized Hospitals, this all costs money !!
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Post by annaj26 on Mar 30, 2019 10:58:22 GMT -5
The real problem with the Healthcare system in the USA is the Lawyers. Far too many folk seek litigation when something goes wrong so Doctors tend to request the whole gamut of tests just to cover themselves against litigation also Doctors take out expensive Insurance to avoid getting Bankrupted if they make a mistake. The USA is going to see the Healthcare system go into slow but steady decline due to a mass of Immigrants who do not / will never contribute. We have this in the UK, our once efficient National Health system is creaking at the seams due to Millions of non-contributing Immigrants who also bring strange diseases with them. We wiped out TB in the UK but now it is back and killing people. We have over 100 cases of Leprosy each year plus other strange diseases that have to be referred to specialized Hospitals, this all costs money !! Toby, you really cannot compare your health care system with ours. The size, the various differences in state laws, all kinds of other things make us different. Would you rather that the Doctors NOT take the care to order up a variety of tests before diagnosis and treatment? I wouldn't. Nobody wants to be the victim o guesswork or trial and error. Most people want to see the results of their lab work as soon as it's available. That's the smart attitude. The Affordable Care Act is not perfect but everytime the Republican's try to improve it they end up allowing patients too little and insurance companies too much. It's they way they see most things so it comes as no surprise. If Trump keeps pressing for health care change, it could cause his party to lose in individual states and that would be a costly price to pay. |
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