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Post by mouse on Mar 25, 2018 4:31:35 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/fear-and-freedom-is-western-democracy-in-danger/ar-BBKuUja?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhpAlthough their starting points are similar, the three authors have distinct takes on the subject. Mounk, who writes with great verve and clarity, makes good use of survey data to illustrate the declining support for democracy across the west. He pours cold water on the idea that idealistic young people will prove to be the saviours of democracy. On the contrary, less than a third of millennials in America believe that it is extremely important to live in a democracy, compared to over two-thirds of older Americans. In 1995, just one in 16 Americans favoured military rule over democracy. By 2011, this had risen to one in six — with young, wealthy Americans particularly likely to favour this option. As Mounk notes, this is not a uniquely American trend. Surveys suggest that support for the idea of military rule has also been rising in other established democracies such as the UK, India and Germany. The central theme of Mounk’s book is that there is now a “slow divergence of liberalism and democracy”. Populism in Europe and the US is driven by an impulse that stresses the democratic rights of the majority, but has little patience with the rights of minorities that are central to liberalism. However, Mounk also acknowledges that populist complaints that the democratic will is thwarted by elite institutions have some validity. He cites one striking piece of recent research that traces the relative influence on legislation of the views of ordinary people, elite opinion and organised lobby groups. The researchers concluded that “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy”."""
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Post by mouse on Mar 25, 2018 4:52:46 GMT -5
I would say this trend began in Europe and then spread outwards a disaffection for those elected to rule.. who for decades had been short changing the electorate
for America the change was visible to the outsider looking in .. when the two presidential candidates were about as far removed from having the interssts of the people at heart as you can get..
"""""the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy”."""
this below is my opinion and not from the article
in Europe the disaffection was/is rooted in the EU and in the unelected who really ran/run the EU ... the EU don't and hasn't even given a nod to democracy since its inception it carries on regardless of what the people of Europe wanted or thought they were getting ... it was founded on lies and had a totally different agenda but to complain was to lay your self open ton charges of racism and bigotry
and then along came the blessed Angela who opened the door of Europe to all comes regardless of who they were or what they could do ... and as the stream became a river of mainly men.. not women and children
and what was even worse Merkel acted unilaterally .. without the consent of one European leader .. in fact not so much without the consent as without the prior warning of the coming influx and storm
and the right rose and continued to rise in numbers and even those who were not right if they dared speak against the influx they were deemed as rightwing ... but as usual the hype backfired ..when so many of the immigrants proved them selves very eager to bite the hand that was feeding them.....and they launched a set of demands impossible demands
and when strong steps were not taken towards those who were assaulting and indulging in criminal behaviour ... the rights number grewq yet again because people saw that their elected didn't give a damn about them or their children ... but were far too interested in soothing the incommers for what ever reason ....
and its still rising because democracy? what democracy .. when the will of the people is sneered at and ignored by those running the agenda treated with total contempt and distain
and they are not learning those idiots in charge /. so imerced in their own rightness and political agenda that no one must gainsay .. sinse brexit what has been on view from EU movers and shakers has been nothing short of hate and bile,, threats and attempts to intimidate
so what price democracy and we have seen how much the leaders of Eurpoe loathe any one who speaks agains the agenda...Greece,,, Cyprus..Spain..Italy all have felt the wrath of the EU and its demands .. the closing of banks by a foreign power .. troop brutality on the streets .. even starvation in Greece and the Eastern countries closing ranks
and the right rise... who would have thought that the peoples of Europe would evwer again willingly support the right.... no one in their right mind
but how else do the powers that be get the nessage of what they call the populist movement.. and is the populist move ment such a bad idea
so yes democracy and freedom is in great danger in the west ..evejn a nod toward democracy is in danger when ordinary citizens can be prevented from speaking the truth .. and when speaking the truth can come with being acused of hate crimes. and then tried for hate crimes in court
what price freedom of speech .....
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Post by Dex on Mar 25, 2018 10:46:07 GMT -5
In 1995, just one in 16 Americans favoured military rule over democracy. By 2011, this had risen to one in six — with young, wealthy Americans particularly likely to favour this option. I wonder where this statistic comes from. I've never seen it before. Sounds like the alt nationalists and the neo con. Can you give us a source? |
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Post by mouse on Mar 25, 2018 11:08:29 GMT -5
oh lord I forgot to put in the link.. and now I don't know where it was from.. I will search but don't hold your breath
seems I did put in the link... at the top of my first post ....ok.. you had me worried then
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Post by Dex on Mar 25, 2018 11:26:36 GMT -5
oh lord I forgot to put in the link.. and now I don't know where it was from.. I will search but don't hold your breath seems I did put in the link... at the top of my first post ....ok.. you had me worried then Yeah, I knew it was FT but I wonder where they got that information. Sounds warped. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 25, 2018 16:47:10 GMT -5
In 1995, just one in 16 Americans favoured military rule over democracy. By 2011, this had risen to one in six — with young, wealthy Americans particularly likely to favour this option. I wonder where this statistic comes from. I've never seen it before. Sounds like the alt nationalists and the neo con. Can you give us a source? There are two dangers as far as I can see, war with other countries, or civil war. Perhaps over religion. Any one of them is likely. I do see changes in our way of life, it is inevitable. |
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Post by mouse on Mar 26, 2018 3:43:05 GMT -5
oh lord I forgot to put in the link.. and now I don't know where it was from.. I will search but don't hold your breath seems I did put in the link... at the top of my first post ....ok.. you had me worried then Yeah, I knew it was FT but I wonder where they got that information. Sounds warped. possibly the information will be in at least one of the books... " |
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Post by ladylinda on Apr 2, 2018 15:28:56 GMT -5
There are many dangers. Most are rooted in fear, dogmatism and intolerance.
Far left, far right, religious fundamentalists - those are the groups that frighten me the most.
In terms of Europe this has often (but not always - Syriza is an obvious exception and Corbyn is another) taken a far right turn. Those concerns have mainly come about through unmanaged immigration and the EU'S autocratic behaviour.
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Post by mouse on Apr 3, 2018 3:31:51 GMT -5
There are many dangers. Most are rooted in fear, dogmatism and intolerance. Far left, far right, religious fundamentalists - those are the groups that frighten me the most. In terms of Europe this has often (but not always - Syriza is an obvious exception and Corbyn is another) taken a far right turn. Those concerns have mainly come about through unmanaged immigration and the EU'S autocratic behaviour. exactly LIN a delibersately engginered situation by agendaists who failed to think it through and ignored all warnings and regardless of the people insisted on having their own way ... and the price is not yet set..but it could be high and very bloody .. because they haven't learnt a thing and still continue to pursue their own agendas and the few UNELECTED fools who run the EU are still pratting on about deeper intergration as though every thing in the garden is lovely total madness |
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