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Post by beez0811 on Mar 11, 2011 20:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by Erasmus on Mar 11, 2011 21:05:58 GMT -5
I think Madame la Guillotine has proven the most quick and painless method, though I'll accept that smashing the head to bits with a ton weight or blowing the brains out are probably even better.
Oxygen deprivation has not been experienced as 'pleasant' by recoverers from it though that could be a result of carbon dioxide poisoning. But there you you have another one that worked well for Himmler and often claims lives unaware of it now - carbon monoxide poisoning, that instead of depriving of anything just prevents any desire for oxygen and sends the victim to sleep. Think another way, we are considerate about our pets, so whatever is used to put old Rover and Mouser out of their geriatric teenage misery ought to be good enough for us.
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Post by fretslider on Mar 12, 2011 6:00:54 GMT -5
I think the death penalty is barbaric and is certainly no deterrent. Its a shame we cannot call the USA a civilised country on that score. That's the puritan legacy; a biblical eye for an eye. Its no different to Islam in many ways. |
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Post by alanseago on Mar 12, 2011 9:02:08 GMT -5
Death provides its own anesthetic. Most execution methods, with the exception of intentionally agonising injection methods used by some USA states. are almost instantaneous. The punishment is in the anticipation.
A real life sentence with no hope of parole will leave the criminal with no hope of ever resuming a normal life.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 12, 2011 13:08:48 GMT -5
I think the death penalty is barbaric and is certainly no deterrent. Its a shame we cannot call the USA a civilised country on that score. That's the puritan legacy; a biblical eye for an eye. Its no different to Islam in many ways. WRONG!!! what is barbaric is demonstrating that you have no care about human life by allowing a murderer who has voluntarily chosen to forfeit his right to life by committing murder, to continue living |
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Post by fretslider on Mar 12, 2011 13:30:46 GMT -5
I think the death penalty is barbaric and is certainly no deterrent. Its a shame we cannot call the USA a civilised country on that score. That's the puritan legacy; a biblical eye for an eye. Its no different to Islam in many ways. WRONG!!! what is barbaric is demonstrating that you have no care about human life by allowing a murderer who has voluntarily chosen to forfeit his right to life by committing murder, to continue living Listen to yourself, jumbo. You claim that I have no care about human life, yet you are the one baying for blood. Get a grip, I am above the level of a common killer. They go in the cell and the key is thrown away. But your way, your way is no better than theirs. Savage. |
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Post by talisman on Mar 12, 2011 13:50:22 GMT -5
Get a grip, I am above the level of a common killer. They go in the cell and the key is thrown away. But your way, your way is no better than theirs. Savage. Exactamundo, Fret. But asking Jumbo, the famous Christian, to get a grip is almost as ambitious an aim as getting the Marshalls (the famous Christians) to produce some credible evidence which isn't hearsay. USA; China; Saudi Arabia. Spot the difference. [To be fair, not the whole of the USA.] And what if it turns out they're innocent, Jumbo? |
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 12, 2011 18:27:13 GMT -5
WRONG!!! what is barbaric is demonstrating that you have no care about human life by allowing a murderer who has voluntarily chosen to forfeit his right to life by committing murder, to continue living Listen to yourself, jumbo. You claim that I have no care about human life, yet you are the one baying for blood. Get a grip, I am above the level of a common killer. They go in the cell and the key is thrown away. But your way, your way is no better than theirs. Savage. wrong again. i have nothing to do with it. it is the murderer, and the murderer alone, who voluntarily made the choice. YOU are the one saying that the life of a murderer is of equal value to the life of the five year old girl that he raped and murdered |
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 12, 2011 18:30:10 GMT -5
Get a grip, I am above the level of a common killer. They go in the cell and the key is thrown away. But your way, your way is no better than theirs. Savage. Exactamundo, Fret. But asking Jumbo, the famous Christian, to get a grip is almost as ambitious an aim as getting the Marshalls (the famous Christians) to produce some credible evidence which isn't hearsay. USA; China; Saudi Arabia. Spot the difference. [To be fair, not the whole of the USA.] And what if it turns out they're innocent, Jumbo? it never will. the simple, yet irrefutable FACT is that there hasn't been a factually innocent individual executed in the u.s. since 1976, and there is NO possibility of it ever happening in the future. the innocence lunacy is a completely specious argument, totally without any merit whatsoever you forgot to mention the japanese, korean, and singapore folks who know you are wrong also |
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Post by fretslider on Mar 12, 2011 18:37:27 GMT -5
Listen to yourself, jumbo. You claim that I have no care about human life, yet you are the one baying for blood. Get a grip, I am above the level of a common killer. They go in the cell and the key is thrown away. But your way, your way is no better than theirs. Savage. wrong again. i have nothing to do with it. it is the murderer, and the murderer alone, who voluntarily made the choice. YOU are the one saying that the life of a murderer is of equal value to the life of the five year old girl that he raped and murdered No, you can't have it both ways. The law is made on behalf of the people - that's you - by politicians elected by the people - you again. Its no deterrent and there is no guarantee against a miscarriage of justice. This is the attitude which reminds me of the Islamic way. I never said anything about one life equating to another, a spurious argument at best. No sir, I said I am above the level of the common killer and I would add that thankfully, England is too. |
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Post by alanseago on Mar 12, 2011 21:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by Erasmus on Mar 12, 2011 22:32:23 GMT -5
I can justify execution as more humane than locking somebody up for the rest of their life, especially if they have mental problems that don't understand why they have been locked up. If there is no hope of 'cure' or rehabilitation, then what is the point of torturing them with a life of restriction? On the other hand, it seems very odd to me that Homicidal self-defence should be a crime - if you defend your life, then you can't can't risk thinking about the possible effects - and even odder that it should only be questioned when a woman falls foul of it, not when men do. But then tradition always was one law for men. no law for women and ever since women were forced into equality, feminists have been trying to restore their traditional privilege as pretended inferiors to the men they want to be. |
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Post by beez0811 on Mar 12, 2011 22:39:04 GMT -5
I think the death penalty is barbaric and is certainly no deterrent. Its a shame we cannot call the USA a civilised country on that score. That's the puritan legacy; a biblical eye for an eye. Its no different to Islam in many ways. "An eye for an eye" means no more than an eye. If Bob punched Joe in the eye, Joe can punch Bob back, but that's it. Joe cannot rack Bob in the nards. |
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Post by Erasmus on Mar 12, 2011 23:06:17 GMT -5
"An eye for an eye" means no more than an eye. If Bob punched Joe in the eye, Joe can punch Bob back, but that's it. Joe cannot rack Bob in the nards. That's how we know Jew understood it at the time. But what would Jews know? They only wrote the Bible and rejected the Religion of the Prince of Peace re-interpreting Mashiahh to tell them their own writings did not understand its new Christian meaning, and imposing their religion washed in as much blood as their heathen predecessors hanged and speared, or raped and drowned, to Woden's glory before turning on each other, but always condemning Jews for believing their scriptures said what they claimed and not what the Religion of the Prince of Peace wanted them to say. You look in Christian history for any equivalent to Muslin Dhimmi acceptance of other religions based on the same precepts, or even of tolerating different sectarian adherents in the same place of worship! Even Buddhists have had religious wars and atrocities but nothing compares to the dismal antagonism of Christian mutual hatred recorded right back in Acts of the Apostles and maybe even in the Gospels. This was a religion born of politicized religious violence - the Zealots, Taliban murderers of their day - proscribed for centuries because of its terrorist threat to civilized society, and throughout its history preaching The Peace that comes after all opposition has been crushed. It's only necessary to look at maniacs like Westboro Baptist Church and similar American murderous madmen trying to legalise murdering abortionists to see how little has really changed. Some say these are only a fringe minority. That may be true - now. It wasn't in the past, so how can we trust it would ever be again if we let them loose? They claim to be the True Christians and others mere backsliders. Maybe they are right and we should protect ourselves against this religious menace just as for 300 years the mighty Roman Empire felt it necessary to fear their threat. When it did yield, the theocratic Christian Byzantine Empire and its Russian successor are not exactly ideal models of personal liberty. So much so that the Muslim conquest of West Asia and North Africa from Constantinople was more what is happening in Libya now, welcoming far more tolerant overlords of a simpler more tolerant religion in as liberators from theocratic despotism (OK, one thing Gaddafi is not is theocratic, but just as despotic as any Elect of God Tsar in Constantinople. |
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Post by fretslider on Mar 13, 2011 4:49:07 GMT -5
I think the death penalty is barbaric and is certainly no deterrent. Its a shame we cannot call the USA a civilised country on that score. That's the puritan legacy; a biblical eye for an eye. Its no different to Islam in many ways. "An eye for an eye" means no more than an eye. If Bob punched Joe in the eye, Joe can punch Bob back, but that's it. Joe cannot rack Bob in the nards. Nah, sorry beez, that doesn't cut. When somebody kills we lock them up - not for long enough, but then if - and it happens quite a bit - its a case of the wrong person they can be released and compensated. The American way - eye for an eye, or life for a life - means you can do no more than dig up the corpse and apologise to it. This is why getting rid of our fundamentalists was such a good thing. True, not so good for you people in the new world I admit. |
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