BBC: A Politically Correct Gender Warning

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In the UK, Dame Jenni Murray, the serious radio channel's (Radio 4) long serving feminist presenter has echoed the views of Germaine Greer on transgender women. The premise being that a transgender woman is not a real woman. It's a point of view the BBC felt compelled to act against....




The BBC has given a warning to one of its veteran feminist presenters after she said men who have gender reassignment surgery can never be “real women”. Dame Jenni Murray, who presents Radio 4’s Women’s Hour, said that male-to-female transsexuals had grown up with all the privileges of being men and therefore did not know what it was truly like to be a woman.

On Monday, the corporation said it had reminded her she must remain “impartial” on controversial issues.

In an article for the Sunday Times Magazine, Dame Jenni also said many men who transition to being women model themselves on a male view of what femininity is. She singled out comments by trans woman India Willougby in a Women’s Hour interview.

“India held firmly to her belief that she was a ‘real woman’, ignoring the fact that she had spent all of her life before her transition enjoying the privileged position in our society generally accorded to a man. In a discussion about the Dorchester hotel’s demands that its female staff should always wear make-up, have a manicure and wear stockings over shaved legs, she was perfectly happy to go along with such requirements.

“There wasn’t a hint of understanding that she was simply playing into the stereotype — a man’s idea of what a woman should be.”

Dame Jenni also referred to Anglican vicar Rev. Peter Stone, who transitioned to being Carol, who she accused of being more concerned about what clothes to wear than the struggle of women to secure the right to be clergy in the Church of England.

“I remember asking Carol what she owed those women who had struggled for so long to have their calling to the priesthood acted upon. His calling, as a man, had never been questioned. I had nothing but a blank look and more concerns about clothing. ‘I know it sounds silly,’ she said. ‘But I’ve nothing to wear.'”

Dame Jenni also said she was against trans activists campaigning to change the term ‘breast cancer’ to ‘chest cancer’ or rename ‘breastfeeding’ as just ‘feeding’.

“Sorry, but I breastfed my kids and it was my breast that was cut off when I had cancer. No debate,” she wrote.

The cultural war over transgenderism has been escalating for the last few years across the Western world. Only last week there was a bus campaign in Spain protesting the teaching of gender ideology in schools. The bus, which was covered in a slogan saying “Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. Don’t be fooled” was impounded by Madrid city council.

www.thetimes.co.uk/magazine/the-sunday-times-magazine/be-trans-be-proud-but-dont-call-yourself-a-real-woman-frtld7q5c


I have to say that having thought about Jenni's comments, a woman who transitions to a man isn't a real man, for all the reasons Jenni put forward.

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I absolutely agree...trangender will never be the gender they prefer over the gender they were born with..its an impossibility
I have sympathy for those who find them selves in the wrong body and have no axe to grind about those who do..except when they go down the road of expecting others to happily comply with their self views ...
but sympathy will never over ride the reality of the commonality of being part of one gender from the moment of birth ..
transgender will never be real men or real women..they will always be a medical construct and a legal term
its also very obvious that many males who transgender into female do go down the road of projecting what they think a woman should be ...never is this more clearly stated in the hair and clothing styles that so many choose to wear and indoing so make them selves look rather odd and set them selves apart in the process
same applys to women a mans haircut trousers and shoes will not make a woman a man regardless of operations

as for chest cancer...what total ignorance ..don't they realise that both genders already have natural breast and chest areas ...that both breast and chest are NOT gender identifucations names
as for breast feeding being denoted to just feeding what does that serve?...if a babe is fed from the breast its breast feeding ..regardless of the fact some egit male is put out because the term breast feeding upsets his constructed view of himself


we do seem to have entered a world of people with little brain and even less knowledge ..and I am getting just a tad irritated by all this appeasing and alteration because a few people cannot cope with their reality of their chosen limmittations ...afterall the word breast feeding was not changed for those mothers who couldn't breast feed and the word mother was not replaced by carer for all those women who couldn't be mothers ...

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James Delingpole writes...


he BBC has thrown its feminist High Priestess to the transgender wolves because she dared to suggest that a man born with a penis isn’t really a woman.
As blue on blue SJW infighting goes, you could scarcely ask for a more perfect popcorn movement.

Up until now, Dame “Jenni” Murray has maintained a reputation for stern, disapproving, joke-free feminist political correctness (but is there any other kind…?) of the most impeccably fingerwagging rectitude.

Listening to her morning BBC radio show Woman’s Hour is like being subjected to a 60 minute lecture on the shortcomings of men, the superiority of women and the manifest injustice of the patriarchal hegemony, delivered by a school games mistress wearing iron underwear and a kaftan knitted by a Turkish oppressed women’s collective, while being forcefed organic breast milk laced with Hormone Replacement chemicals and the collected works of Germaine Greer, Erica Jong and Susie Orbach.

So for Dame Jenni [she’s very proud of her title and uses it a lot] to find herself caught out on the wrong side by the PC Gestapo is about as deliciously unlikely as Meryl Streep raising her next Oscar statuette high and saying: “I’m dedicating this one to my hero The Donald!”

But where, if anywhere, should our sympathies lie in this hilarious “Death of Little Nell on steroids” tragedy?

On the one hand, it’s true, Murray has long deserved her comeuppance. She may not be quite as shrill or deranged as some of the younger generation of Third Wave feminazis, but she has definitely helped poison the wells for male/female relationships by promulgating her grisly, joyless Marxist feminist view that any time a woman does the dishes, cooks a souffle or puts on a sexy maid’s outfit then basically she has failed as a meaningful human being.

Earlier in her career, she was famed for saying that marriage humiliated women. When, in 2003 she finally married David, her partner and the father of her sons, she made it clear that she was only doing it for financial not for sentimental reasons – namely to avoid inheritance tax. The new Mrs Forgham-Bailey (as she certainly did not want to be known) said she had no intention of introducing David as her husband and would not be pleased if he had the temerity to say: ‘Meet my wife.’ That put him in his place.

Poor David. (Actually, bloody stupid David. What were you thinking?)

On the other hand, Murray deserves credit for braving the wrath of her nauseatingly right-on employer the BBC by stating clearly something that really ought to be said more often: that a man who has gender reassignment surgery – like the transexual she recently interviewed called India Willoughby – can never be a real woman.

It’s a shame Murray had to phrase it in such a PC way, using it to have yet another dig at male privilege:

“India held firmly to her belief that she was a ‘real woman’, ignoring the fact that she had spent all of her life before her transition enjoying the privileged position in our society generally accorded to a man.

But at least she said it. And there’s no doubt that when an impeccably PC, uber feminist doyenne and BBC presenter says this kind of thing, it carries a lot more weight than it does when an irreverent, sexist, transphobic, polemicist like me says it.

This really is a battle that needs fighting right now. Transgenderism is one of the very hottest of the many fronts of the wars which Cultural Marxism is waging on Western Civilisation. It matters so much because it goes to the heart of one of the most important and contested issues which divide right and left: is there such a thing as truth?

If you believe – as the Social Justice Warriors, liberal “intellectuals” and other relativistic cretins do – that truth is just a matter of opinion then clearly, you are whatever you say you are, be it a man, a woman, non-binary, polygender, intersex, trans and the rest of that nonsense list of LBGTetc terms.

If, on the other hand, you subscribe to the more traditional, rational view that biological sex (not “gender” – a left-wing invention) is determined by chromosomes and organs like wombs and penises, then it’s pretty damned obvious that you’re born either one thing or the other, regardless of how much surgical mutilation you undergo or how many hormones you take.

Crusading progressives want to portray this as a war between nice people who have feelings and horrid people who are stuck in the dark ages because of their vile prejudices. But it’s not that at all. Ultimately, it’s a battle over who gets to define what truth is: the rationalists or the idealistic fantasists.

Murray is not, of course, the first Social Justice crusader to find herself undone by her own side’s increasingly deranged identity-politics-driven moral value system.

Before her, there was fellow feminist icon Germaine Greer who in 2015 found herself berated online and no-platformed for making similarly sceptical remarks about transgenderism, albeit a lot more amusingly than Murray:

“Just because you lop off your penis and then wear a dress doesn’t make you a ******* woman,” Ms Greer said in a statement given to the Victoria Derbyshire show. “I’ve asked my doctor to give me long ears and liver spots and I’m going to wear a brown coat but that won’t turn me into a ******* cocker spaniel.

And before that, in 2013, even the arch feminist and man-hating harridan Suzanne Moore found herself being berated by the prickly and uber-aggressive trans activist movement for having failed to speak about trans people with sufficient reverence.

One could take heart from the fact that left-liberals like Murray, Greer, and Moore are finally beginning to recognise just how poisonous, small-minded and fascistic liberalism is becoming these days.

But I suspect their moment of enlightenment will be shortlived. It’s not penetrating insight which has led these card-carrying progressives to see the awful truth about the oppressive lunacy of their movement: it’s quite simply their age. Being all well over 50, they’ve just inherited the prejudices of their generation. Had they been born more recently with their left-liberal politics, they would surely have been far less capable of resisting their contemporaries’ fashionable nonsense about “gender” being a “social construct.”

Meanwhile, if any transgender activists want to have a crack at me on Twitter for saying this stuff, I look forward to the attention. I do like a bit banter with the lads….

www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/07/delingpole-bbc-throws-feminist-icon-jenni-murray-transgender-wolves/


There's really nothing quite like a bit of schadenfreude!

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"""left-liberals like Murray, Greer, and Moore are finally beginning to recognise just how poisonous, small-minded and fascistic liberalism is becoming these days."""

and yes it is poisonous...and we do need to stop poisoning our young and vunerable children from being brainwashed until they are brain dead