Exasperating and insensitive or just normal?

[Erasmus]

The only people I have ever come across - and only on the Net - full of unquestioning belief in 'traditional' men's superiority and women's inferiority and the inferior status of everything traditionally connected with women call themselves 'feminists'. As far as I am concerned, they stand for everything the 'feminists' of the 1960s and 1970s sought to 'liberate' women from - and men too, to accept traditionally 'feminine' activities as equal to do themselves, that everybody surely accepts now, except the self-styled 'feminists' who have a fit and a half whenever I say men and their traditional values are not naturally, nor women and theirs inferior, so if a woman wants to do what she thinks of as Man's job and wear pants, she has no call to despise a man for doing traditional woman's work and wearing a dress, as feminists and 'jumbo' do.

If feminist' meant believer in sexual equality, then women would be delighted if a man did not find them inferior for valuing things that men have been taught not to, and to guide men to those alternate values. In practice, it is only women who call themselves 'feminist' and identical traditional male believers in 'male chauvinist sexism'who do not value men respecting women as equals and traditionally 'feminine' activities for themselves equally or above any they may have been taught 'inferior'

It is strange to me, that as I get older, that feminist influence demands more alienation back away from the freedom and equality we felt as equal human beings in the early 70s, where now, I know from experience of dealing with them, that females who call themselves 'feminist' are conservative reactionaries terrified of respecting men as human equal beings, exactly what Women's Liberation sught to 'liberate' women from.

The pendulum swings, mes amis, but the 1980s swing was so far to the Right that its opposite Left swing remains still remains for to the Right of where we were circa 1970 calling for Socialist revolution against 'Official' Stalinist Communism like the USSR too, for the collaborative freedom Trotsky bequeathed us.

[sadie]

Heck....there are some boobs.....that even I have to admit are worth looking at and will point them out to hubby in case he hasn't noticed them (most of the time he has noticed them WAY before me)..........it's like I tell him......you don't keep a Rembrandt in the closet......or a Ferrari in the garage.........not that they have to be out their completely naked or anything.......there is a difference between looking good and looking trashy.

It's the human body........it is a pretty fascinating thing...........some more than others...........

I'm more worried about the people that cover themselves head to toe and teach you it is a sin to even think the word sex or naked.

[Erasmus]

Would anybody dare to admit that huge breasts often are just plain unattractive and often flaunted by women who think they have nothing else to make them attractive? They may be right in that respect, but totally wrong in believing that a load of mammary lard atrracts any more than men with the same between their ears. But no doubt, that is all that kind want.

[fretslider]

May 4, 2010 22:46:30 GMT -5 Erasmus said:

Would anybody dare to admit that huge breasts often are just plain unattractive and often flaunted by women who think they have nothing else to make them attractive? They may be right in that respect, but totally wrong in believing that a load of mammary lard atrracts any more than men with the same between their ears. But no doubt, that is all that kind want.

I would, without hesitation. Its a question of shape and proportion.

I remember the poster of Chesty Morgan that adorned Shaftesbury Avenue, she was straight out of the freak show.

[Erasmus]

Proportion is everything. That is what is so annoying about those women who get uptight if men notice that they have breasts. They are acting as if noticing their breasts eliminates the possibility of noticing anything else about them, as if their breasts were not really part of them, while anything else - for instance their hair - they accept as part of them. Certainly something like Chesty Morgan or even Dolly Parton is just gross and it's a completely different world from the ridiculous hard-faced over-made up protuberant figures of typical girly calendars and magazines of 50 and more years ago.

[fretslider]

Proportion is key.

[ For shape in women, research has focused on the ratio of the width of the waist to the width of the hips (the waist–hip ratio, orWHR). A low WHR (i.e. a curvaceous body) is believed to correspond to the optimal fat distribution for high fertility (Wass, Waldenstrom, Rossner, & Hellberg, 1997; Zaadstra et al., 1993)

where: y = attractiveness rating (side or front view), a = intercept, x₁ = age of woman in image, x₂ = WHR, x₃ = BMI, x₄ = BMI², x₅ = BMI³ and e = random error.
Table 1 shows the regression coefficients as well as total r2 values for those explanatory
variables which survived a stepwise fitting procedure applied to the four models. ]

www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/m.j.tovee/BJP.pdf

[beth]

May 5, 2010 16:37:06 GMT -5 fretslider said:

Proportion is key.

[ For shape in women, research has focused on the ratio of the width of the waist to the width of the hips (the waist–hip ratio, orWHR). A low WHR (i.e. a curvaceous body) is believed to correspond to the optimal fat distribution for high fertility (Wass, Waldenstrom, Rossner, & Hellberg, 1997; Zaadstra et al., 1993)

where: y = attractiveness rating (side or front view), a = intercept, x₁ = age of woman in image, x₂ = WHR, x₃ = BMI, x₄ = BMI², x₅ = BMI³ and e = random error.
Table 1 shows the regression coefficients as well as total r2 values for those explanatory
variables which survived a stepwise fitting procedure applied to the four models. ]

www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/m.j.tovee/BJP.pdf

Well, let's see -

#1 I'd hate to think anyone except garment makers cared about that, and
#2 proportions change as women get older in that the waist is not as small. Nothing to complain about, just no more jr. sizes.

Maybe we could ponder some male proportions, just to keep things equal and all.

[fretslider]

May 6, 2010 20:03:03 GMT -5 beth said:

Maybe we could ponder some male proportions, just to keep things equal and all.

Have you got an equation for that?

[beth]

I do not deal with math.

Geez - did I really start that? What was I thinking ?

[fretslider]

May 7, 2010 14:27:23 GMT -5 beth said:

I do not deal with math.

Geez - did I really start that? What was I thinking ?

Yes, what were you thinking....

[beth]

lol


Nothing, would be my guess.

Stream of consciousness typing.



never mind