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Post by annaj26 on Jun 22, 2015 9:48:05 GMT -5
 They wanted to replace the Bible.” Whispering in a hushed room of the Bavarian State Library, rare books expert Stephan Kellner describes how the Nazis turned a rambling, largely unreadable screed – part memoir, part propaganda – into a central part of the Third Reich’s ideology. As Mein Kampf comes out of copyright – meaning that, in theory, anyone could publish their own editions in Germany – a new programme on BBC Radio 4 explores what authorities can do about one of the world’s most notorious books. According to the producer of Publish or Burn, which will be broadcast on January 14, it remains a dangerous text. “The history of Hitler is a history of underestimating him; and people have underestimated this book,” says John Murphy, whose grandfather translated the first unabridged English language version in 1936. “There’s a good reason to take it seriously because it is open to misinterpretation. Even though Hitler wrote it in the 1920s a lot of what he said in it, he carried out – if people had paid a bit more attention to it at the time maybe they would have recognised the threat.” Hitler began writing Mein Kampf while in prison for treason after the failed 1923 ‘Beer Hall’ putsch in Munich, outlining his racist, anti-Semitic views. Once he gained power a decade later, the book became a key Nazi text, with 12m copies printed; it was given to newly married couples by the state and gold-leaf editions were displayed prominently in the homes of senior officials. At the end of World War Two, when the US Army seized the Nazis’ publisher Eher Verlag, rights for Mein Kampf passed to the Bavarian authorities. They ensured the book was only reprinted in Germany under special circumstances – but the expiration of its copyright in December 2015 has prompted fierce debate on how to curb a publishing free-for-all. “The Bavarians have used copyright to control republication of Mein Kampf but that control is coming to an end – what happens next?” says Murphy. “This is still a dangerous book – there are issues with neo-Nazis, and a danger of people misinterpreting it if it’s not put into context.” Chapter and verse Some question whether anyone would want to publish it – according to the New Yorker, “It is full of bombastic, hard-to-follow clauses, historical minutiae, and tangled ideological threads, and both neo-Nazis and serious historians tend to avoid it.” Yet the book has become popular in India with politicians who have Hindu nationalist leanings. “It is considered to be a very significant self-help book,” Atrayee Sen, a lecturer in contemporary religion and conflict at the university of Manchester, tells Radio 4. “If you take the element of anti-Semitism out, it is about a small man who was in prison who dreamt of conquering the world and set out to do it.” The removal of context is one of the fears of those opposed to republication. In Publish or Burn Ludwig Unger, spokesman for the Bavarian Ministry of Education and Culture, says: “The result of this book was that millions of people were killed, millions were maltreated, whole areas were overrun with war. It’s important to keep this in mind and you can do that when you read certain passages with appropriate critical historical commentary.” When the copyright expires, the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich plans to bring out a new edition of Mein Kampf that combines the original text with a running commentary pointing out omissions and distortions of the truth. Some victims of the Nazis oppose this approach, and the Bavarian government withdrew its support for the Institute after criticism from Holocaust survivors. Yet suppressing the book might not be the best tactic – an op-ed in the New York Times argued that: “The inoculation of a younger generation against the Nazi bacillus is better served by open confrontation with Hitler’s words than by keeping his reviled tract in the shadows of illegality.” Murphy acknowledges that a global ban on the book is impossible. “This is more to do with the Bavarian authorities making a point, rather than really being able to control it. They have to take a stand, even if in the modern world it won’t prevent people getting access.” Publish or Burn’s presenter Chris Bowlby argues that symbolic actions still matter. After the copyright expires, the state plans to prosecute using the law against incitement to racial hatred. “From our point of view Hitler’s ideology corresponds to the definition of incitement,” says Ludwig Unger. “It’s a dangerous book in the wrong hands.” www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150113-the-worlds-most-dangerous-book |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 22, 2015 12:38:01 GMT -5
They wanted to replace the Bible.” Whispering in a hushed room of the Bavarian State Library, rare books expert Stephan Kellner describes how the Nazis turned a rambling, largely unreadable screed – part memoir, part propaganda – into a central part of the Third Reich’s ideology. As Mein Kampf comes out of copyright – meaning that, in theory, anyone could publish their own editions in Germany – a new programme on BBC Radio 4 explores what authorities can do about one of the world’s most notorious books. According to the producer of Publish or Burn, which will be broadcast on January 14, it remains a dangerous text. “The history of Hitler is a history of underestimating him; and people have underestimated this book,” says John Murphy, whose grandfather translated the first unabridged English language version in 1936. “There’s a good reason to take it seriously because it is open to misinterpretation. Even though Hitler wrote it in the 1920s a lot of what he said in it, he carried out – if people had paid a bit more attention to it at the time maybe they would have recognised the threat.” Hitler began writing Mein Kampf while in prison for treason after the failed 1923 ‘Beer Hall’ putsch in Munich, outlining his racist, anti-Semitic views. Once he gained power a decade later, the book became a key Nazi text, with 12m copies printed; it was given to newly married couples by the state and gold-leaf editions were displayed prominently in the homes of senior officials. At the end of World War Two, when the US Army seized the Nazis’ publisher Eher Verlag, rights for Mein Kampf passed to the Bavarian authorities. They ensured the book was only reprinted in Germany under special circumstances – but the expiration of its copyright in December 2015 has prompted fierce debate on how to curb a publishing free-for-all. “The Bavarians have used copyright to control republication of Mein Kampf but that control is coming to an end – what happens next?” says Murphy. “This is still a dangerous book – there are issues with neo-Nazis, and a danger of people misinterpreting it if it’s not put into context.” Chapter and verse Some question whether anyone would want to publish it – according to the New Yorker, “It is full of bombastic, hard-to-follow clauses, historical minutiae, and tangled ideological threads, and both neo-Nazis and serious historians tend to avoid it.” Yet the book has become popular in India with politicians who have Hindu nationalist leanings. “It is considered to be a very significant self-help book,” Atrayee Sen, a lecturer in contemporary religion and conflict at the university of Manchester, tells Radio 4. “If you take the element of anti-Semitism out, it is about a small man who was in prison who dreamt of conquering the world and set out to do it.” The removal of context is one of the fears of those opposed to republication. In Publish or Burn Ludwig Unger, spokesman for the Bavarian Ministry of Education and Culture, says: “The result of this book was that millions of people were killed, millions were maltreated, whole areas were overrun with war. It’s important to keep this in mind and you can do that when you read certain passages with appropriate critical historical commentary.” When the copyright expires, the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich plans to bring out a new edition of Mein Kampf that combines the original text with a running commentary pointing out omissions and distortions of the truth. Some victims of the Nazis oppose this approach, and the Bavarian government withdrew its support for the Institute after criticism from Holocaust survivors. Yet suppressing the book might not be the best tactic – an op-ed in the New York Times argued that: “The inoculation of a younger generation against the Nazi bacillus is better served by open confrontation with Hitler’s words than by keeping his reviled tract in the shadows of illegality.” Murphy acknowledges that a global ban on the book is impossible. “This is more to do with the Bavarian authorities making a point, rather than really being able to control it. They have to take a stand, even if in the modern world it won’t prevent people getting access.” Publish or Burn’s presenter Chris Bowlby argues that symbolic actions still matter. After the copyright expires, the state plans to prosecute using the law against incitement to racial hatred. “From our point of view Hitler’s ideology corresponds to the definition of incitement,” says Ludwig Unger. “It’s a dangerous book in the wrong hands.” www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150113-the-worlds-most-dangerous-bookMy copy of “Mein Kampf” was published in 1939 by Reynal & Hitchcock – New York and is complet and unabridged. It also has editorial sponsors who are: John Chamberlain Sidney B. Fay John Gunther Carlton J. H. Jayes Graham Hutton Alvin Johnson William L. Langer Walter Millis Raoul de Roussy de Sales George N. Shuster While if is complete and unabridged, it is fully annotated and those contributing to this effort are: Pearl Buck Dorothy Canfield Edna St. Vincent Millay Ida Tarbell Cyrus Adler Charles A. Beard Nicholas Murray Butler Theodore Dreiser Albert Einstein Morris Ernst Rev. Harry Emerson Fosdick Rev. John Haynes Holms James M. Landis Thomas Mann Bishop William T. Manning Eugene O'Neil Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. Monsignor John A. Ryan Norman Thomas Walter White William Allen White Rabbi Stephen S. Wise. To consider banning (or trying to do so even as a symbolic gesture, is both stupid and will only increase its popularity among those with limited historical knowledge. Better to study it as the ramblings of a egomaniac as descriptive of how people must become involved with vetting potential leaders. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 22, 2015 14:20:54 GMT -5
They wanted to replace the Bible.” Whispering in a hushed room of the Bavarian State Library, rare books expert Stephan Kellner describes how the Nazis turned a rambling, largely unreadable screed – part memoir, part propaganda – into a central part of the Third Reich’s ideology. As Mein Kampf comes out of copyright – meaning that, in theory, anyone could publish their own editions in Germany – a new programme on BBC Radio 4 explores what authorities can do about one of the world’s most notorious books. According to the producer of Publish or Burn, which will be broadcast on January 14, it remains a dangerous text. “The history of Hitler is a history of underestimating him; and people have underestimated this book,” says John Murphy, whose grandfather translated the first unabridged English language version in 1936. “There’s a good reason to take it seriously because it is open to misinterpretation. Even though Hitler wrote it in the 1920s a lot of what he said in it, he carried out – if people had paid a bit more attention to it at the time maybe they would have recognised the threat.” Hitler began writing Mein Kampf while in prison for treason after the failed 1923 ‘Beer Hall’ putsch in Munich, outlining his racist, anti-Semitic views. Once he gained power a decade later, the book became a key Nazi text, with 12m copies printed; it was given to newly married couples by the state and gold-leaf editions were displayed prominently in the homes of senior officials. At the end of World War Two, when the US Army seized the Nazis’ publisher Eher Verlag, rights for Mein Kampf passed to the Bavarian authorities. They ensured the book was only reprinted in Germany under special circumstances – but the expiration of its copyright in December 2015 has prompted fierce debate on how to curb a publishing free-for-all. “The Bavarians have used copyright to control republication of Mein Kampf but that control is coming to an end – what happens next?” says Murphy. “This is still a dangerous book – there are issues with neo-Nazis, and a danger of people misinterpreting it if it’s not put into context.” Chapter and verse Some question whether anyone would want to publish it – according to the New Yorker, “It is full of bombastic, hard-to-follow clauses, historical minutiae, and tangled ideological threads, and both neo-Nazis and serious historians tend to avoid it.” Yet the book has become popular in India with politicians who have Hindu nationalist leanings. “It is considered to be a very significant self-help book,” Atrayee Sen, a lecturer in contemporary religion and conflict at the university of Manchester, tells Radio 4. “If you take the element of anti-Semitism out, it is about a small man who was in prison who dreamt of conquering the world and set out to do it.” The removal of context is one of the fears of those opposed to republication. In Publish or Burn Ludwig Unger, spokesman for the Bavarian Ministry of Education and Culture, says: “The result of this book was that millions of people were killed, millions were maltreated, whole areas were overrun with war. It’s important to keep this in mind and you can do that when you read certain passages with appropriate critical historical commentary.” When the copyright expires, the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich plans to bring out a new edition of Mein Kampf that combines the original text with a running commentary pointing out omissions and distortions of the truth. Some victims of the Nazis oppose this approach, and the Bavarian government withdrew its support for the Institute after criticism from Holocaust survivors. Yet suppressing the book might not be the best tactic – an op-ed in the New York Times argued that: “The inoculation of a younger generation against the Nazi bacillus is better served by open confrontation with Hitler’s words than by keeping his reviled tract in the shadows of illegality.” Murphy acknowledges that a global ban on the book is impossible. “This is more to do with the Bavarian authorities making a point, rather than really being able to control it. They have to take a stand, even if in the modern world it won’t prevent people getting access.” Publish or Burn’s presenter Chris Bowlby argues that symbolic actions still matter. After the copyright expires, the state plans to prosecute using the law against incitement to racial hatred. “From our point of view Hitler’s ideology corresponds to the definition of incitement,” says Ludwig Unger. “It’s a dangerous book in the wrong hands.” www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150113-the-worlds-most-dangerous-bookMy copy of “Mein Kampf” was published in 1939 by Reynal & Hitchcock – New York and is complet and unabridged. It also has editorial sponsors who are: John Chamberlain Sidney B. Fay John Gunther Carlton J. H. Jayes Graham Hutton Alvin Johnson William L. Langer Walter Millis Raoul de Roussy de Sales George N. Shuster While if is complete and unabridged, it is fully annotated and those contributing to this effort are: Pearl Buck Dorothy Canfield Edna St. Vincent Millay Ida Tarbell Cyrus Adler Charles A. Beard Nicholas Murray Butler Theodore Dreiser Albert Einstein Morris Ernst Rev. Harry Emerson Fosdick Rev. John Haynes Holms James M. Landis Thomas Mann Bishop William T. Manning Eugene O'Neil Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. Monsignor John A. Ryan Norman Thomas Walter White William Allen White Rabbi Stephen S. Wise. To consider banning (or trying to do so even as a symbolic gesture, is both stupid and will only increase its popularity among those with limited historical knowledge. Better to study it as the ramblings of a egomaniac as descriptive of how people must become involved with vetting potential leaders. Hi Men an tol. I have read that book many years ago, but have long forgotten what it was all about, and what has happened to the book is anyone's guess. I may ask at the library to see if they have a copy and refresh my mind. |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 22, 2015 14:43:39 GMT -5
As far as I am aware nothing has really happened to it. That some might consider trying to remove from access (if they are) will only make it more desirable for the less informed.
If someone really wants to read it I suggest that first they do a little reading into the history of Hitler and his family. "The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler" by Robert Payne [1973] is an excellent book and it also contains excerpts from "Austrian Requiem" [1947] by Kurt von Schuschnigg.
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Post by annaj26 on Jun 23, 2015 20:44:56 GMT -5
As far as I am aware nothing has really happened to it. That some might consider trying to remove from access (if they are) will only make it more desirable for the less informed. If someone really wants to read it I suggest that first they do a little reading into the history of Hitler and his family. "The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler" by Robert Payne [1973] is an excellent book and it also contains excerpts from "Austrian Requiem" [1947] by Kurt von Schuschnigg. I agree with you Men an tol. This is just an informative article about the book because the book has been in and out of discussions here, now and then. I have not read it and probably won't. No interest, really. |
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Post by kronks on Jun 23, 2015 21:32:44 GMT -5
As far as I am aware nothing has really happened to it. That some might consider trying to remove from access (if they are) will only make it more desirable for the less informed. If someone really wants to read it I suggest that first they do a little reading into the history of Hitler and his family. "The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler" by Robert Payne [1973] is an excellent book and it also contains excerpts from "Austrian Requiem" [1947] by Kurt von Schuschnigg. That is called the Streisand effect I also seem to remember some guy who tried to get some information about him removed from google, thus making himself front page news!!! Of course now people can have info removed form google, which is rather sinister. |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 23, 2015 21:45:23 GMT -5
Here you are likely correct Kronks as those with limited knowledge on the subject will see enough to have them think they can learn from it. In reality they will most likely pick the bumper sticker comments they think 'proves' their already accepted beliefs.
But nothing can be done about that. I sometimes thing such people have taken a different path from Homo Erectus that did we who have benefited from following the path of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
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Post by mouse on Jun 24, 2015 3:41:45 GMT -5
banning books doesn't achieve anything...and is a futile gesture
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Post by kronks on Jun 24, 2015 12:51:28 GMT -5
Here you are likely correct Kronks as those with limited knowledge on the subject will see enough to have them think they can learn from it. In reality they will most likely pick the bumper sticker comments they think 'proves' their already accepted beliefs. But nothing can be done about that. I sometimes thing such people have taken a different path from Homo Erectus that did we who have benefited from following the path of Homo Sapiens Sapiens. I am always correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 17:02:15 GMT -5
Oh dear. Kronks, please do not become yet another member who cannot distinguish between their opinions and facts.
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Post by mouse on Aug 2, 2015 3:25:24 GMT -5
""""“ “This is still a dangerous book – there are issues with neo-Nazis, and a danger of people misinterpreting it if it’s not put into context.”"""
there is another dangerous book....but no one calls for its banning...a book of contradictions open to interpretation on every level and with some very dodgy instructions..a book of no particular order which goes from extreme and back again
its been around much longer than Adolphs book and the damage it has caused is imesurable.. the true cost of following this handbook will never be known
its called the Koran
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Post by fretslider on Aug 2, 2015 10:28:13 GMT -5
“Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward” Sorry, wrong book, but it's no better, in fact it has far more effect than the ramblings of AH. It's no coincidence that bans, gags and restrictions on freedom come from the political left. For example... Rights groups have rounded on David Cameron, saying his description of migrants in Calais as a “swarm of people” trying to reach Britain was dehumanising.
The Refugee Council's head of advocacy, Dr Lisa Doyle, said: “It’s extremely disappointing to hear the prime minister using such irresponsible, dehumanising language
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/30/david-cameron-migrant-swarm-language-condemnedOn January 22, 1944, six months after the Allied invasion of Sicily, American and British troops swarmed ashore at Anzio
www.foxnews.com/us/slideshow/2014/01/22/allies-at-anzio-rare-photos-from-wwii/#/slide/allies-at-anzio-2
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Post by mouse on Aug 3, 2015 4:33:20 GMT -5
""""Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward”"""
exactly..the instruction is not to fight the good fight by example...but to fight with what ever means are available....
how any one in their right mind and with an iq above a goldfish can say its a peaceful message is beyond me this message is loud and clear...plus of course fighting by example is already covered by Dawah
at least no one as yet has tried to make Adolph a deity...
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