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Post by kronks on May 16, 2017 0:07:58 GMT -5
They are not more important than God no Christian believes that really, maybe atheists do Jesus was not much into rites and rituals that seems to be a more human thing, something human add to religion so to speak but those things are not more important than the fundamental beliefs, there are always those who like rules and regulations though, Jesus himself was more of a rule breaker then a rule maker in a way. Hi Kronks, I think Jesus DID wash the feet of His Disciples just as the Pope does and the Seventh Day Adventists, who have their Sabbath on a Saturday. Sunday being the first day of the week. They are the only denomination that sticks to the day that God said was Holy. Sunday was evidently a Pagan holiday. Yes I have seen that does at church when I used to go, a Catholic church, I think the bishop or something washed the feet of our priest it was a long a while ago, I don't think it is strictly necessary though, there are a lot of minor differences but I don't think they matter too much in the grand scale of things, it is the core belief that matters.
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Post by kronks on May 16, 2017 0:09:10 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, as a youngster I have played the tin whistle and the harmonica later in life the guitar and the organ, also had a go on an accordian. I have experienced what you say. Planes can be visited on a temporary basis, whether that is what happened to you is another matter. I am aware of what planes I am on. not exactly the type of music which would be uplifting or send the spirits soaring .. did you play the Utube I posted ?? don't think SL can play youtube videos on her phone.
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Post by kronks on May 16, 2017 0:12:23 GMT -5
They show nothing of the sort, if I was a failed Christian I would be an atheist, which I am not!! I've yet to see any proof for atheism. Determinatae esse quod asinus! Bene factum. You may think replying in French makes you look clever, it doesn't!! Just looks like you have no argument!! A typical atheist trick!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 0:13:26 GMT -5
Hi Kronks, Before anyone can start their spiritual journey on the straight and narrow road, they have to believe that God exists, so it seems our Atheist friends are lagging far behind, still adamant in their minds that ofcourse God does not exist. You have to feel sorry for them.!!! Not only a continual rejection of the words of others, but a need to attack others. With the only apparent motivation being to somehow justify their illogical belief in the mystical to themselves. The title of the thread (again) is “Does God Exist.” But that question is not addressed. You continually try to redefine Atheists as believing that God does not exist. As you have been told repeatedly, ‘There is no evidence of a God.’ The Atheist simply works from that reality. Either there is evidence or there is no evidence. Rather than address that reality you (Kronks and Lassie Lady) continually try to change the question into a dialog about their stories of the mystical. That leads to that mystical being offered as real, apparently just because they say so, although there is no such evidence. That leads to the attacking of Atheists and asserting things that are not true. Such as Atheism is a belief system or that Atheists believe there is no God, or that Atheists have not begun down some path of mysticism. Atheist simply work from a position of evidence. Atheism is not a belief system. There is only the working from evidence. To assert that one can only feel sorry for the Atheist is a defensive act to protect their belief in the indefensible, that is, a belief in what doesn’t exist. Moreover, to bolster that belief in the mystical they must have all others have the same belief in the mystical or if they accepted that evidence must exist, then their entire belief in the mystical would collapse. Hi Men an tol, Nothing is being bolstered. I just happen to be given information that you are not being given otherwise you would not be saying that it is a myth, you would be accepting it as Truth, as I am accepting it. All I can ever do is pass on my experiences. Surely that is understandable?
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Post by kronks on May 16, 2017 0:13:51 GMT -5
They show nothing of the sort, if I was a failed Christian I would be an atheist, which I am not!! I've yet to see any proof for atheism. Hi Kronks, Before anyone can start their spiritual journey on the straight and narrow road, they have to believe that God exists, so it seems our Atheist friends are lagging far behind, still adamant in their minds that ofcourse God does not exist. You have to feel sorry for them.!!! They have a lot to learn that is for sure!
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Post by kronks on May 16, 2017 0:19:03 GMT -5
They are not more important than God no Christian believes that really, maybe atheists do Jesus was not much into rites and rituals that seems to be a more human thing, something human add to religion so to speak but those things are not more important than the fundamental beliefs, there are always those who like rules and regulations though, Jesus himself was more of a rule breaker then a rule maker in a way. again you defeat your own argument with your own words. kronks wrote"""".Jesus was not much into rites and rituals"""" indeed he wasn't .. religion is a man made construct just as I have been saying kronks wrote """"there are always those who like rules and regulations though"""" and what exactly do these man made rules and regulations have to do with either God or Jesus.. the answer is nothing.. the man made rites and rules ie religion become more important than God so much so that YOU put religion way ahead of God when speaking of Cuba and other communist countries very short sighted and very indicative of a mindset The religious aspect has a lot of tradition but they are not as important as the core values, a lot is about remembering and commemorating and celebrating, nothing wrong with that! It is really a nice addition. I don't recall putting religion ahead of God! So no shortsightedness here, at least not when I have my glasses on that is!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 0:25:23 GMT -5
Hi Kronks, That is true, there are many roads on the way to Heaven, but apparently the only one that will go the whole way, is the straight and narrow road, and evidently few are able to find it. They get so far and that's it. They keep being born again onto the planet Earth to begin the search all over again. Only when a person changes their fixed attitude will they ever stand a chance of ever going the full distance. isnt that a bit like buddhism? Hi Kronks, The Buddhists only use the power of the mind. God and Soul are Spirit. The mind is a tool and is used as such. the feats that they are capable of doing are brought about by the power of the mind
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 0:33:36 GMT -5
Hi Kronks, I think Jesus DID wash the feet of His Disciples just as the Pope does and the Seventh Day Adventists, who have their Sabbath on a Saturday. Sunday being the first day of the week. They are the only denomination that sticks to the day that God said was Holy. Sunday was evidently a Pagan holiday. Yes I have seen that does at church when I used to go, a Catholic church, I think the bishop or something washed the feet of our priest it was a long a while ago, I don't think it is strictly necessary though, there are a lot of minor differences but I don't think they matter too much in the grand scale of things, it is the core belief that matters. Hi Kronks, Jesus did it so that is one of the rituals that has survived. It is meant to show humility, something like you hear from famous people such and such keeps me grounded. In other words, they don't let their fame go to their head.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 0:46:35 GMT -5
Hi Kronks, Before anyone can start their spiritual journey on the straight and narrow road, they have to believe that God exists, so it seems our Atheist friends are lagging far behind, still adamant in their minds that ofcourse God does not exist. You have to feel sorry for them.!!! They have a lot to learn that is for sure! Hi Kronks, In a few more lifetimes possibly? LOL.
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2017 3:33:20 GMT -5
lawdy lawdy lawdy7 who would have thought expecting those who profess to call then selves Christian to actually abide by the words and deeds of Christ would be deemed as having a jaundiced view of life """ you have a jaundiced view of life """ SL wrote""""There are so many different denominations, who are all Christian based the reason they are different is because they follow different rituals,"""" sounds a bit supermarket to me and very who tell real cream from synthetic cream.. a bit imitation where plastics pretends to be leather but that's the thing isn't it about man made concepts they can be made to suit any market Hi Mouse, You seem to have gone overboard, has someone else's viewpoint become too much for you? Lordy.!!! Lordy.!!! Lordy.!!! no some one elses point of view is always of interest.. even when I disagree with it .. because after all Christianity is about Christs words teachings and example .. .. and if expecting those who call them selves Christians cannot accept the words teachings and examples of Christ but regard them as a jaundiced ..its a pretty poor do...and flying under a false flag
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2017 3:34:16 GMT -5
not exactly the type of music which would be uplifting or send the spirits soaring .. did you play the Utube I posted ?? don't think SL can play youtube videos on her phone. ah right.. thanks for the info
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 3:50:46 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, You seem to have gone overboard, has someone else's viewpoint become too much for you? Lordy.!!! Lordy.!!! Lordy.!!! no some one elses point of view is always of interest.. even when I disagree with it .. because after all Christianity is about Christs words teachings and example .. .. and if expecting those who call them selves Christians cannot accept the words teachings and examples of Christ but regard them as a jaundiced ..its a pretty poor do...and flying under a false flag Hi Mouse, There is nothing that I can do about what goes on in your head, what conclusions you come to in your interpretation of Christ's sayings. We are two different people and from my perspective your thinking does seem slightly askewed. We'll just leave it at that, shall we?
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2017 4:56:51 GMT -5
Determinatae esse quod asinus! Bene factum. You may think replying in French makes you look clever, it doesn't!! Just looks like you have no argument!! A typical atheist trick! French ? its Latin what does this mean """A typical atheist trick!""" how is it a typical atheist trick ? what is an atheist trick and why would an atheist need to resort to a trick.. because athiests come to their concludions individually .. so to think athiests need spme sort of trick is a bit childish
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2017 5:06:17 GMT -5
no some one elses point of view is always of interest.. even when I disagree with it .. because after all Christianity is about Christs words teachings and example .. .. and if expecting those who call them selves Christians cannot accept the words teachings and examples of Christ but regard them as a jaundiced ..its a pretty poor do...and flying under a false flag Hi Mouse, There is nothing that I can do about what goes on in your head, what conclusions you come to in your interpretation of Christ's sayings. We are two different people and from my perspective your thinking does seem slightly askewed. We'll just leave it at that, shall we? I don't have ANY interpretayion of christs sayings .. the words and the meanings of the words are very easy to understand and are as valid now as they have been for the last two millennia ... and funnily enough there is nothing askewed in thinking words actually mean what they say .... "" I am the lord thy God.. thou shalt have no other gods but me"" ""six days shalt thou labour and do all that thou has to do"" ""I am the way the truth and the light"" all very easy peasy
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2017 5:09:32 GMT -5
again you defeat your own argument with your own words. kronks wrote"""".Jesus was not much into rites and rituals"""" indeed he wasn't .. religion is a man made construct just as I have been saying kronks wrote """"there are always those who like rules and regulations though"""" and what exactly do these man made rules and regulations have to do with either God or Jesus.. the answer is nothing.. the man made rites and rules ie religion become more important than God so much so that YOU put religion way ahead of God when speaking of Cuba and other communist countries very short sighted and very indicative of a mindset The religious aspect has a lot of tradition but they are not as important as the core values, a lot is about remembering and commemorating and celebrating, nothing wrong with that! It is really a nice addition. I don't recall putting religion ahead of God! So no shortsightedness here, at least not when I have my glasses on that is! one I can recall was when you wrote that life in Cuba improved once they had religion back.... note the word religion as though religion was of great importance
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