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Post by mouse on May 15, 2017 9:15:11 GMT -5
absolute rubbish... there is nothing in the words of Christ that would even indicate this.. there are NOT many roads to heaven in fact Jesus is quite specific in this in words which leave no doubt what being reborn means has already been explained to you .. there is nothing physical or earthly about it ...its the terminology for being washed clean.. a new or fresh start start .. a re birth its a very easy concept to grasp Hi Mouse. That is how it has been interpreted that doesn't mean to say it is the correct interpretation. Rebirth is what reincarnation is all about. pay attention why don't you? PS. It says in the Bible that we should travel the straight and narrow road and there will be few who find it. Rites and rituals that people follow are just the followers of Jesus doing His will. The washing of feet which Jesus did for His Disciples. All true.!!! actu8ally not true.. many of the rites and rituals have no beginings in the life of Christ what so ever.. fact
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Post by mouse on May 15, 2017 9:18:55 GMT -5
have no idea what your saying... you belonging to various denominations has absolutely nothing to do with man made rites and practises or interpretations .. as the various denominations have their own rites and practices .. SL wrote"""I have been a member of quite a few religious denominations"""WHY ... the only interpretations needed in in Christianity are the language interpretations old Aramaic/latin/greek ... the words of Christ are simple and very easy to follow and need NO interpretations at all Hi Mouse, start reading what you say in your own posts before you start accusing people of this and that. who have I accused and what of ?... not an acusation in sight you belonging to various denominations has absolutely nothing to do with man made rites and practises or interpretations the only interpretations needed in in Christianity are the language interpretations old Aramaic/latin/greek ... the words of Christ are simple and very easy to follow and need NO interpretations at all
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Post by mouse on May 15, 2017 9:22:17 GMT -5
Before anyone can start their spiritual journey on the straight and narrow road, they have to believe that God existsThat's what you choose to believe. I wonder, are you musical? Can you, perhaps, play an instrument. For you to understand the knowledge I am about to impart to you, it would help if you do. Have you ever picked up a guitar, for example, or another instrument and let the music carry you away to a place of bliss and ecstasy? Most people might not understand where this euphoric feeling comes from, but it comes from an innately spiritual place. Music elevates our consciousness and introduces us to a spiritual reality that’s comprised of pure sound and color, and this is why it appeals to so many people. Accomplished players learn to enter ' the zone' akin to an out of body experience. You don't have a monopoly on spirituality. Hi Fretslider, as a youngster I have played the tin whistle and the harmonica later in life the guitar and the organ, also had a go on an accordian. I have experienced what you say. Planes can be visited on a temporary basis, whether that is what happened to you is another matter. I am aware of what planes I am on. not exactly the type of music which would be uplifting or send the spirits soaring .. did you play the Utube I posted ??
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 15, 2017 9:28:12 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, start reading what you say in your own posts before you start accusing people of this and that. who have I accused and what of ?... not an acusation in sight you belonging to various denominations has absolutely nothing to do with man made rites and practises or interpretations the only interpretations needed in in Christianity are the language interpretations old Aramaic/latin/greek ... the words of Christ are simple and very easy to follow and need NO interpretations at all Hi Mouse, what words meant then could mean something quite different from what they mean today
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 15, 2017 9:33:26 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, as a youngster I have played the tin whistle and the harmonica later in life the guitar and the organ, also had a go on an accordian. I have experienced what you say. Planes can be visited on a temporary basis, whether that is what happened to you is another matter. I am aware of what planes I am on. not exactly the type of music which would be uplifting or send the spirits soaring .. did you play the Utube I posted ?? Who said? I experience rapture when playing the organ. You've got nerve.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 15, 2017 9:40:44 GMT -5
Hi Mouse. That is how it has been interpreted that doesn't mean to say it is the correct interpretation. Rebirth is what reincarnation is all about. pay attention why don't you? PS. It says in the Bible that we should travel the straight and narrow road and there will be few who find it. Rites and rituals that people follow are just the followers of Jesus doing His will. The washing of feet which Jesus did for His Disciples. All true.!!! actu8ally not true.. many of the rites and rituals have no beginings in the life of Christ what so ever.. fact That's where you are wrong, there was rites and ritules in Christ's life even as a child, people lived their daily lives with rites and rituals.
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Post by mouse on May 15, 2017 9:40:46 GMT -5
actually God didn't actually denote ANY SPECIFIC day to be kept as holy...just six days to labour and to rest from those labours on the 7th day which should be kept as a holy sabath day ... I wonder just how many Christians actually follow this injunction ? and do keep the sabath as its meant to be kept and equally as important allow others to keep the sabath ... it wont be a fantastic number who actually follow this injunction yes Jesus did wash the feet of the disciples... [feet being a very important part of the body in that era and place]the fact that the Pope does it is meaningless and implys nothing what so ever.. its supposed to indicate humility theres nothing humble about this man made rite where a man wearing the finest of leather/kid hand made shoes washes the feet of the carefully picked recipients CHi Mouse, you have a jaundiced view of life. There are so many different denominations, who are all Christian based the reason they are different is because they follow different rituals, which is why I was investigating. What about the one that handle snakes. That is in the Bible too. And by the way. I was bitten by a venomous snake and recovered without any treatment whatsoever. It means that I am a believer and one with God. I had all the symptoms. I felt very ill, then just like that I was was suddenly well. That was definitely a miracle another miracle happened when I fasted for three days straight only takin little sips of water occasionally. I was so weak I hardly made it to church on the last day. Suddenly during the service everything got very bright and energy started rushing through my body so much so that I had double the amount of energy than I had when I started the fast. lawdy lawdy lawdy7 who would have thought expecting those who profess to call then selves Christian to actually abide by the words and deeds of Christ would be deemed as having a jaundiced view of life """ you have a jaundiced view of life """ SL wrote""""There are so many different denominations, who are all Christian based the reason they are different is because they follow different rituals,"""" sounds a bit supermarket to me and very who tell real cream from synthetic cream.. a bit imitation where plastics pretends to be leather but that's the thing isn't it about man made concepts they can be made to suit any market
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Post by men an tol on May 15, 2017 9:46:46 GMT -5
They show nothing of the sort, if I was a failed Christian I would be an atheist, which I am not!! I've yet to see any proof for atheism. Hi Kronks, Before anyone can start their spiritual journey on the straight and narrow road, they have to believe that God exists, so it seems our Atheist friends are lagging far behind, still adamant in their minds that ofcourse God does not exist. You have to feel sorry for them.!!! Not only a continual rejection of the words of others, but a need to attack others. With the only apparent motivation being to somehow justify their illogical belief in the mystical to themselves. The title of the thread (again) is “Does God Exist.” But that question is not addressed. You continually try to redefine Atheists as believing that God does not exist. As you have been told repeatedly, ‘There is no evidence of a God.’ The Atheist simply works from that reality. Either there is evidence or there is no evidence. Rather than address that reality you (Kronks and Lassie Lady) continually try to change the question into a dialog about their stories of the mystical. That leads to that mystical being offered as real, apparently just because they say so, although there is no such evidence. That leads to the attacking of Atheists and asserting things that are not true. Such as Atheism is a belief system or that Atheists believe there is no God, or that Atheists have not begun down some path of mysticism. Atheist simply work from a position of evidence. Atheism is not a belief system. There is only the working from evidence. To assert that one can only feel sorry for the Atheist is a defensive act to protect their belief in the indefensible, that is, a belief in what doesn’t exist. Moreover, to bolster that belief in the mystical they must have all others have the same belief in the mystical or if they accepted that evidence must exist, then their entire belief in the mystical would collapse.
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Post by mouse on May 15, 2017 9:48:47 GMT -5
who have I accused and what of ?... not an acusation in sight you belonging to various denominations has absolutely nothing to do with man made rites and practises or interpretations the only interpretations needed in in Christianity are the language interpretations old Aramaic/latin/greek ... the words of Christ are simple and very easy to follow and need NO interpretations at all Hi Mouse, what words meant then could mean something quite different from what they mean today which is why its scholars who deal with the language differences rather than NONE scholars .. which is why the mid millennia interpretations into English/German etc are still as valid as they were. the words and instructions of Christ are very easy to understand
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Post by mouse on May 15, 2017 10:00:07 GMT -5
actu8ally not true.. many of the rites and rituals have no beginings in the life of Christ what so ever.. fact That's where you are wrong, there was rites and ritules in Christ's life even as a child, people lived their daily lives with rites and rituals. the rites and rules appertaining to Christs teachings FACT ...NOT the rites and rules of the Jewish society Christ grew up in
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Post by mouse on May 15, 2017 10:15:48 GMT -5
not exactly the type of music which would be uplifting or send the spirits soaring .. did you play the Utube I posted ?? Who said? I experience rapture when playing the organ. You've got nerve.!!! NOT MY NERVE AT ALL..here is what fret said and then what you said . FRET wrote I wonder, are you musical? Can you, perhaps, play an instrument. For you to understand the knowledge I am about to impart to you, it would help if you do. Have you ever picked up a guitar, for example, or another instrument and let the music carry you away to a place of bliss and ecstasy? Most people might not understand where this euphoric feeling comes from, but it comes from an innately spiritual place. Music elevates our consciousness and introduces us to a spiritual reality that’s comprised of pure sound and color, and this is why it appeals to so many people. Accomplished players learn to enter 'the zone' akin to an out of body experience. You don't have a monopoly on spirituality.""""" SL wrote Hi Fretslider, as a youngster I have played the tin whistle and the harmonica later in life the guitar and the organ, also had a go on an accordian. I have experienced what you say. Planes can be visited on a temporary basis, whether that is what happened to you is another matter. I am aware of what planes I am on."""" you indicate you are aware of the elevation via music because you played a tim whistle and a harmonia as a youngster by adding I have experienced what you say.. and then have the temerity to question the truth of what he says by adding ""whether that is what happened to you is another matter"""".... do you really think you have the monopoly spiritual moments .. every human being is capable of experiencing times of great spirituality ..it has nothing to do with bright lights and other planes or even believing in God ... it is a very human experience and yet you get annoyed because so many people call you patronising and arrogant.. when so many people are telling you some thing then perhaps its time to look in the mirror
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 15, 2017 23:31:09 GMT -5
CHi Mouse, you have a jaundiced view of life. There are so many different denominations, who are all Christian based the reason they are different is because they follow different rituals, which is why I was investigating. What about the one that handle snakes. That is in the Bible too. And by the way. I was bitten by a venomous snake and recovered without any treatment whatsoever. It means that I am a believer and one with God. I had all the symptoms. I felt very ill, then just like that I was was suddenly well. That was definitely a miracle another miracle happened when I fasted for three days straight only takin little sips of water occasionally. I was so weak I hardly made it to church on the last day. Suddenly during the service everything got very bright and energy started rushing through my body so much so that I had double the amount of energy than I had when I started the fast. lawdy lawdy lawdy7 who would have thought expecting those who profess to call then selves Christian to actually abide by the words and deeds of Christ would be deemed as having a jaundiced view of life """ you have a jaundiced view of life """ SL wrote""""There are so many different denominations, who are all Christian based the reason they are different is because they follow different rituals,"""" sounds a bit supermarket to me and very who tell real cream from synthetic cream.. a bit imitation where plastics pretends to be leather but that's the thing isn't it about man made concepts they can be made to suit any market Hi Mouse, You seem to have gone overboard, has someone else's viewpoint become too much for you? Lordy.!!! Lordy.!!! Lordy.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 15, 2017 23:44:14 GMT -5
Who said? I experience rapture when playing the organ. You've got nerve.!!! NOT MY NERVE AT ALL..here is what fret said and then what you said . FRET wrote I wonder, are you musical? Can you, perhaps, play an instrument. For you to understand the knowledge I am about to impart to you, it would help if you do. Have you ever picked up a guitar, for example, or another instrument and let the music carry you away to a place of bliss and ecstasy? Most people might not understand where this euphoric feeling comes from, but it comes from an innately spiritual place. Music elevates our consciousness and introduces us to a spiritual reality that’s comprised of pure sound and color, and this is why it appeals to so many people. Accomplished players learn to enter 'the zone' akin to an out of body experience. You don't have a monopoly on spirituality.""""" SL wrote Hi Fretslider, as a youngster I have played the tin whistle and the harmonica later in life the guitar and the organ, also had a go on an accordian. I have experienced what you say. Planes can be visited on a temporary basis, whether that is what happened to you is another matter. I am aware of what planes I am on."""" you indicate you are aware of the elevation via music because you played a tim whistle and a harmonia as a youngster by adding I have experienced what you say.. and then have the temerity to question the truth of what he says by adding ""whether that is what happened to you is another matter"""".... do you really think you have the monopoly spiritual moments .. every human being is capable of experiencing times of great spirituality ..it has nothing to do with bright lights and other planes or even believing in God ... it is a very human experience and yet you get annoyed because so many people call you patronising and arrogant.. when so many people are telling you some thing then perhaps its time to look in the mirror Hi Mouse, Once again you are misconstuing what I said. Fretslider asked me if I played any instruments. I enlightened him. Only with the organ did I experience bliss. I would enjoy playing my guitar into the early hours of the morning when everyone else was asleep, that made me happy.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 15, 2017 23:57:30 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, what words meant then could mean something quite different from what they mean today which is why its scholars who deal with the language differences rather than NONE scholars .. which is why the mid millennia interpretations into English/German etc are still as valid as they were. the words and instructions of Christ are very easy to understand Hi Mouse, That is what I spoke about too.everything is in the Bible that the different denominations are following. One of the Christian churches is following the ritiual of picking up snakes, that is their belief and if they are true Christian they should not die. Which is exactly what happened to me. I did not die.!!!
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Post by kronks on May 16, 2017 0:03:52 GMT -5
Yes I guess you could say the religion is like a road to God, a means of getting there, but there can be many roads to the same destination. Hi Kronks, That is true, there are many roads on the way to Heaven, but apparently the only one that will go the whole way, is the straight and narrow road, and evidently few are able to find it. They get so far and that's it. They keep being born again onto the planet Earth to begin the search all over again. Only when a person changes their fixed attitude will they ever stand a chance of ever going the full distance. isnt that a bit like buddish?
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