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Post by mouse on Mar 7, 2017 13:46:21 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, so what have you learned about God? You are fixated on this physical dimenion with no thought of the spiritual dimensions that also exist. You are missing out on so much and you don't realise it, and it is all your own doing. May the Blessings Be. only according to you.....so not a problem to any degree...and is not going to have any impact on my life
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 7, 2017 14:00:17 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, At no time have I said that I am superior, I have said that we are all in the same boat therefore open to the same opportunities. Some people accept these opportunities, some don't. I have spent my life seeking so why shouldn't I be involved in Spiritual healing? I have learned Magnetic healing, healing with precious stones and last of all, Reikie healing. I have done Judo, Tai Chi and many others, There is nothing that I have not been involved in that would be beneficial to myself and others. What's it to you? I have many interests, I am not a stick in the mud, I investigate. .All that is in the past now, I lead a very quiet life, but am still learning. I have been an avid reader all my life, I watch Quantum Physic programs on TV and am interested in documentaries on all sort of things. I keep my mind alert. """At no time have I said that I am superior""" and at no time have I acussed you of saying such a thing ....have a re read of what is written as for the rest I have no idea what your on about..it has NOTHING to do with your post that I was answering and quoting Hi Mouse, Here is the post.!!! You seem to be inferring that I think I am superior or you are claiming that you are superior? Maybe you are quoting someone else? Who knows?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 7, 2017 15:17:50 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, You are right, it is no skin off my nose. The snag is that I happen to care, so want others to share in what I think is the absolute truth. At no time have I felt exasperated except in my last post to Mouse. I just give the facts as I see and experience them, in a calm, positive way. It is an inborn trait that most people do want to share their goodfortune so will pass it on if thye can, that is all that I am doing. I am sure that I have found the truth so naturally I want to shout it to the world. I know perfectly well that people have their own experiences and can stay with them for as long as they like. But it is rather difficult for me to have to watch a person concentrate only on this earth plane when I know from my experiences that there is a whole lot more. I will continue to express my beliefs in my posts if they are relevant to the posts that have been sent to me, unless ofcourse you wish to deprive me of that opportunity by refusing to accept my posts. I hate to see time wasted but if that is how it must be then so be it. I know that I have done my best to share the truth with others, no doubt I will still keep plugging away as time goes by.!!! we have two very interesting assertions.. both are believers who are intollorant of the bleifes or thinking of others which are different from their own... 1/ """No I don't condiser my thought to be equall to theirs I consided mine to be superior.""" 2/ ""I just give the facts as I see and experience them, in a calm, positive way."" no 1/ elevates his thinking far beyond rationality or logic or scholarship no 2/elevates random thoughts and happenings and presents as indisputable facts SL wrote """I will continue to express my beliefs in my posts if they are relevant to the posts that have been sent to me, unless of course you wish to deprive me of that opportunity by refusing to accept my posts.""" who and when has anyone made any attempt to deprive you of the opportunity or ability to post ?? ..I sugest no one has done so nor has any intentions of doing so ...so whats with the sudden victimhood ? in general posts are not specificly to one person unless named ..and even then any poster can answer any post on any thread Hi Mouse, Here is the evidence, work it out for youself.!!
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Post by men an tol on Mar 7, 2017 15:44:45 GMT -5
we have two very interesting assertions.. both are believers who are intollorant of the bleifes or thinking of others which are different from their own... 1/ """No I don't condiser my thought to be equall to theirs I consided mine to be superior.""" 2/ ""I just give the facts as I see and experience them, in a calm, positive way."" no 1/ elevates his thinking far beyond rationality or logic or scholarship no 2/elevates random thoughts and happenings and presents as indisputable facts SL wrote """I will continue to express my beliefs in my posts if they are relevant to the posts that have been sent to me, unless of course you wish to deprive me of that opportunity by refusing to accept my posts.""" who and when has anyone made any attempt to deprive you of the opportunity or ability to post ?? ..I sugest no one has done so nor has any intentions of doing so ...so whats with the sudden victimhood ? in general posts are not specificly to one person unless named ..and even then any poster can answer any post on any thread Hi Mouse, Here is the evidence, work it out for youself.!! Scottish Lassie, it seems to me that you interpret postings referring to you as personal and meant as negatives. If so, you ‘are’ looking at the world through dark colored glasses. You seem to expect that others accept and read your postings even if they are not, or are no longer interested, that is your problem not theirs. It seems clear that your involvement with Eckankar is important to you, I would be surprised if anyone else here finds it important or now even interesting. So, continuing in the path you have already taken in terms of postings will likely continue to get the same result of diminishing interest. I suspect that you may find yourself talking to your own echo.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 7, 2017 18:37:38 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, Here is the evidence, work it out for youself.!! Scottish Lassie, it seems to me that you interpret postings referring to you as personal and meant as negatives. If so, you ‘are’ looking at the world through dark colored glasses. You seem to expect that others accept and read your postings even if they are not, or are no longer interested, that is your problem not theirs. It seems clear that your involvement with Eckankar is important to you, I would be surprised if anyone else here finds it important or now even interesting. So, continuing in the path you have already taken in terms of postings will likely continue to get the same result of diminishing interest. I suspect that you may find yourself talking to your own echo. Hi Men an tol, It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning, because try as I might, none of you have come closer to the thought that there could be spiritual dimensions besides a physical dimension. I was watching on TV last night, a program by Brian Cox about the Cosmos. Apparently the Quantum Physicists now think that it is possible that there could be more than one physical Universe being created all the time, so it just goes on and on recreating itself, and all because of 'inflation' which supposedly took place before the ' Big Bang.' Don't ask me to explain it to you as quite a lot of it goes over my head. I enjoy the programs though. Anyway, I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior, which couldn't be further from the truth, but because of my experiences I have come to believe that I have indeed found the ultimate truth in ECKANKAR., so all I am doing is sharing the good news. This is a very normal trait in Human Beings, I believe.!!! can that be so bad? Usually that is how we learn, by someone putting forward a suggestion or declaring a fact, which we then decide to believe because it seems plausible to our ears. I guess it is a case of to each his/her own. So be it.!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 19:20:59 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, it seems to me that you interpret postings referring to you as personal and meant as negatives. If so, you ‘are’ looking at the world through dark colored glasses. You seem to expect that others accept and read your postings even if they are not, or are no longer interested, that is your problem not theirs. It seems clear that your involvement with Eckankar is important to you, I would be surprised if anyone else here finds it important or now even interesting. So, continuing in the path you have already taken in terms of postings will likely continue to get the same result of diminishing interest. I suspect that you may find yourself talking to your own echo. Hi Men an tol, It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning, because try as I might, none of you have come closer to the thought that there could be spiritual dimensions besides a physical dimension. I was watching on TV last night, a program by Brian Cox about the Cosmos. Apparently the Quantum Physicists now think that it is possible that there could be more than one physical Universe being created all the time, so it just goes on and on recreating itself, and all because of 'inflation' which supposedly took place before the ' Big Bang.' Don't ask me to explain it to you as quite a lot of it goes over my head. I enjoy the programs though. Anyway, I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior, which couldn't be further from the truth, but because of my experiences I have come to believe that I have indeed found the ultimate truth in ECKANKAR., so all I am doing is sharing the good news. This is a very normal trait in Human Beings, I believe.!!! can that be so bad? Usually that is how we learn, by someone putting forward a suggestion or declaring a fact, which we then decide to believe because it seems plausible to our ears. I guess it is a case of to each his/her own. So be it.!!! In the first place, the multiuniverse model is only one of the various interpretations of quantum theory. More importantly, it is NOT claiming that 'spiritual' dimensions - assuming that such a concept can even be coherently formulated without self-contradiction - may or may not exist. The 'dimensions' posited by the E-G-W model are PHYSICAL dimensions and NOT 'spiritual' ones. Whether or not God exists, and I am an agnostic with a slight inclination to believe that there IS no God, the many-worlds-theory does NOT provide any support for the idea of his existence or the existence of 'spiritual' dimensions. The problem is that you interpret private visions as being on the same level as objective reality. The whole point about dreams, nightmares, mirages and hallucinations is that they are NOT real and can be PROVED to be false.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 19:23:10 GMT -5
By the way, Anna, your idea on 'proof' would make it almost impossible for the majority of criminals to be convicted. How, to take the most obvious example, can a man 'prove' that he did NOT rape a woman? And of course as well as verification there is also a principle known as falsification. So to state that a negative cannot be proved is simply not the case. But of course that in no way supports the strong claim that God does not exist any more than it supports the strong claim that God does exist. Both claims go beyond the evidence and represent opinions rather than facts. If the defendant could not prove he did not commit a crime then the prosecution must bear the burden of proving that he DID, or that he/she most likely did, to the satisfaction of the jury or the court. That would make it harder to convict I should think. I'm a Christian so of course I believe in God, but it is a personal belief. Each of us must find our own way. That's certainly NOT the way the law actually works especially in cases of rape and domestic violence. The guilt of the accused is presumed and his accuser is routinely spoken of as the victim. You do not treat people accused of burglary in that way; it is yet another instance of feminist jurisprudence corrupting the once proud libertarian tradition of the United States.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 7, 2017 19:45:17 GMT -5
Hi Mike Marshall, I would appreciate it if you would give me proof that Dreams and Nightmares are not real. The experiences that I as Soul ( A Unit of Awareness ) have, when out of the body ( SoulTravel ) is as real to me as any physical experience which you find so real. Go for your life.!!! Or should I rather say:? Enlighten me.!!! LOL
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Post by men an tol on Mar 7, 2017 20:46:58 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning, because try as I might, none of you have come closer to the thought that there could be spiritual dimensions besides a physical dimension. I was watching on TV last night, a program by Brian Cox about the Cosmos. Apparently the Quantum Physicists now think that it is possible that there could be more than one physical Universe being created all the time, so it just goes on and on recreating itself, and all because of 'inflation' which supposedly took place before the ' Big Bang.' Don't ask me to explain it to you as quite a lot of it goes over my head. I enjoy the programs though. Anyway, I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior, which couldn't be further from the truth, but because of my experiences I have come to believe that I have indeed found the ultimate truth in ECKANKAR., so all I am doing is sharing the good news. This is a very normal trait in Human Beings, I believe.!!! can that be so bad? Usually that is how we learn, by someone putting forward a suggestion or declaring a fact, which we then decide to believe because it seems plausible to our ears. I guess it is a case of to each his/her own. So be it.!!! In the first place, the multiuniverse model is only one of the various interpretations of quantum theory. More importantly, it is NOT claiming that 'spiritual' dimensions - assuming that such a concept can even be coherently formulated without self-contradiction - may or may not exist. The 'dimensions' posited by the E-G-W model are PHYSICAL dimensions and NOT 'spiritual' ones. Whether or not God exists, and I am an agnostic with a slight inclination to believe that there IS no God, the many-worlds-theory does NOT provide any support for the idea of his existence or the existence of 'spiritual' dimensions. The problem is that you interpret private visions as being on the same level as objective reality. The whole point about dreams, nightmares, mirages and hallucinations is that they are NOT real and can be PROVED to be false. Mike I applaud your posting. To say that dreams et al are not real, is true, but saying so to a believer is to light the fire. I’m sure that they will never believe you. Even so, there is a significant point here. We could say that the world is divided into believers (those with faith in the existence of the supernatural) and those live in the world of provable evidence. The question might be put, how do we get along well enough so that we do not kill each other on sight? I don’t offer an answer here, merely ask the question, which can be considered as rhetorical. I have sometimes considered that if I were a believer, I could not abide the nonbeliever. Not just those such as the various versions of Agnostics and Atheists but also those who believe in other God(s). How could I as a believer in (which ever God) allow such people to exist? Even the gentle religions such as Christianity have commandments such as, “You shall have no other God before me.” If I were a believer I would take that literally and not allow others to worship other Gods. If a believer it would have to be absolute and total, or it really would not mean anything. I can understand the Zealot but I must admit to not understand person who professes a faith but then doesn’t back it up to the hilt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 23:38:05 GMT -5
In the first place, the multiuniverse model is only one of the various interpretations of quantum theory. More importantly, it is NOT claiming that 'spiritual' dimensions - assuming that such a concept can even be coherently formulated without self-contradiction - may or may not exist. The 'dimensions' posited by the E-G-W model are PHYSICAL dimensions and NOT 'spiritual' ones. Whether or not God exists, and I am an agnostic with a slight inclination to believe that there IS no God, the many-worlds-theory does NOT provide any support for the idea of his existence or the existence of 'spiritual' dimensions. The problem is that you interpret private visions as being on the same level as objective reality. The whole point about dreams, nightmares, mirages and hallucinations is that they are NOT real and can be PROVED to be false. Mike I applaud your posting. To say that dreams et al are not real, is true, but saying so to a believer is to light the fire. I’m sure that they will never believe you. Even so, there is a significant point here. We could say that the world is divided into believers (those with faith in the existence of the supernatural) and those live in the world of provable evidence. The question might be put, how do we get along well enough so that we do not kill each other on sight? I don’t offer an answer here, merely ask the question, which can be considered as rhetorical. I have sometimes considered that if I were a believer, I could not abide the nonbeliever. Not just those such as the various versions of Agnostics and Atheists but also those who believe in other God(s). How could I as a believer in (which ever God) allow such people to exist? Even the gentle religions such as Christianity have commandments such as, “You shall have no other God before me.” If I were a believer I would take that literally and not allow others to worship other Gods. If a believer it would have to be absolute and total, or it really would not mean anything. I can understand the Zealot but I must admit to not understand person who professes a faith but then doesn’t back it up to the hilt. as a believer, I cannot force you concerning anything about God...you have been given a free will that I don't have the power to change. I can only warn you of your error and give you scripture plus live my life in a manner that shows the fruits of a life dedicated to Jesus, but it is up to the Holy Spirit to draw you to God and regenerate your heart.
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Post by men an tol on Mar 8, 2017 0:32:18 GMT -5
Mike I applaud your posting. To say that dreams et al are not real, is true, but saying so to a believer is to light the fire. I’m sure that they will never believe you. Even so, there is a significant point here. We could say that the world is divided into believers (those with faith in the existence of the supernatural) and those live in the world of provable evidence. The question might be put, how do we get along well enough so that we do not kill each other on sight? I don’t offer an answer here, merely ask the question, which can be considered as rhetorical. I have sometimes considered that if I were a believer, I could not abide the nonbeliever. Not just those such as the various versions of Agnostics and Atheists but also those who believe in other God(s). How could I as a believer in (which ever God) allow such people to exist? Even the gentle religions such as Christianity have commandments such as, “You shall have no other God before me.” If I were a believer I would take that literally and not allow others to worship other Gods. If a believer it would have to be absolute and total, or it really would not mean anything. I can understand the Zealot but I must admit to not understand person who professes a faith but then doesn’t back it up to the hilt. as a believer, I cannot force you concerning anything about God...you have been given a free will that I don't have the power to change. I can only warn you of your error and give you scripture plus live my life in a manner that shows the fruits of a life dedicated to Jesus, but it is up to the Holy Spirit to draw you to God and regenerate your heart. I understand your feelings quite well Chefmate and they are put quite nicely. You see I grew up in fundamentalist beliefs. As such I have a pretty good understanding of religion and in addition I am drawn to those ways of my youth, just sans the faith. My perspective sees Christianity as an elemental part of Western philosophy and primarily so for the reason you offered. Free will. A person doesn’t become a knowing Christian through force as they do have that free will to choose to be, or to choose not to be, and that is necessary to Christianity and Western philosophy. Beyond that, one as a Committed Christian can fall from the way and yet, have the freedom to choose to return, or not. If a person is an Atheist (myself) we have the ‘free will’ to read and study all sorts of philosophical writings, inclusive of those written by Christian Scholars. I can intellectually say that having knowledge of a religion is good thing for people. For most people it is even better to have that faith. I often talk with youth of a college age, that time when they get away from home for the first time and often become socialists and Atheists. When the opportunity arises, I tell them not to follow my path but rather these next few years learn all you can, then take a more open look at life from a position of greater knowledge and return to the faith of your family. They will be over time quite happy and satisfied with their life. For those who I see as committed with a faith, it is very personal, their belief is whole and fully a part of them, and they have no need to protolyze.
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Post by kronks on Mar 8, 2017 1:22:00 GMT -5
No I don't condiser my thought to be e quall to theirs I consided mine to be superior.
It is not unprovable it is proven, your own existence means there must be a superior being.
Now I am at the moment eating a sulyana scone, that sultana scone has no evidence of a supernatural being, a creator, the creator of the scone but we know by it's very existance that a scone creator exists.
So it is quite simple and clear.
It is quite simple for you, but please point to a single know and recognized philosopher from any era, that supports your position. Well you recognise me I presume? Anyhow just because someone is known as and an "expert" in the field and wel known does not mean they are right. For example how many well known politcial experts predcted a Trump win? I did, and backed it at 16-1, granted I cashed it in for less due to bad polls. I did however then predict the electoral college result correcly. Those well known experts are always wrong. I mean currently 97% of scientists are wrong about climate change, becasuse it benefit the planet (even if it is man made).
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Post by kronks on Mar 8, 2017 1:28:38 GMT -5
Science works as God intended it to work You dpn't kniow anything about anything you are not even scientifc, science does not have mindlesss rules. I've already given you evidence of a supermnatural being based on indisputable logic, if you won't believe that you won't beleive any other witnesses either. If I took you to hell and back you still would not believe it.Let's unpack that gibberish. You dpn't kniow anything about anything you are not even scientifc, science does not have mindlesss rules.My honours degree in zoology and botany say's otherwise. Science does indeed have rules, yet you refuse to recognise them with ridiculous demands to prove a negative. You're wasting my time again kronks. I've already given you evidence of a supermnatural being based on indisputable logicI fell off the chair at that one! Very funny. Based on indisputable logic? That is clearly no substitute for real evidence. You can play Schroedinger's cat any way you want. If I took you to hell and back you still would not believe it.You can't and everybody knows it. Duh. Unpack your own gibberish I don't bring any with me. You have no evidence God does not exist. Here is another joke: It is funny how atheists demand proofs for the beleifs of other when the have no proof for their own!! Rather ironic don't you think?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 2:44:16 GMT -5
its all a matter of faith...belife is a strange comodity.. there was a time men believed the world was flat..its all up to the individual... I think it's a personal decision ... believe in God ... a God .. or not ... believe in something else .. or not. I don't hink it's necessary or very well received most of the time to try to push a personal belief on others. That's the part I do not understand or agree with. Hi Beth, Maybe you need to read the book by Hal Lindsey ' The Late Great Planet Earth ' It is an eye opener and a great read. You might even change your attitude because of it?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 3:04:13 GMT -5
Mike I applaud your posting. To say that dreams et al are not real, is true, but saying so to a believer is to light the fire. I’m sure that they will never believe you. Even so, there is a significant point here. We could say that the world is divided into believers (those with faith in the existence of the supernatural) and those live in the world of provable evidence. The question might be put, how do we get along well enough so that we do not kill each other on sight? I don’t offer an answer here, merely ask the question, which can be considered as rhetorical. I have sometimes considered that if I were a believer, I could not abide the nonbeliever. Not just those such as the various versions of Agnostics and Atheists but also those who believe in other God(s). How could I as a believer in (which ever God) allow such people to exist? Even the gentle religions such as Christianity have commandments such as, “You shall have no other God before me.” If I were a believer I would take that literally and not allow others to worship other Gods. If a believer it would have to be absolute and total, or it really would not mean anything. I can understand the Zealot but I must admit to not understand person who professes a faith but then doesn’t back it up to the hilt. as a believer, I cannot force you concerning anything about God...you have been given a free will that I don't have the power to change. I can only warn you of your error and give you scripture plus live my life in a manner that shows the fruits of a life dedicated to Jesus, but it is up to the Holy Spirit to draw you to God and regenerate your heart. Hi Chefmate51, Believe it or not, I agree with you completely. We can preach till we are blue in the face, but as everyone has been given free will to accept or refuse. It can't be forced. It is also true that it is the Holy Spirit who leads us step by step, acceptance of God comes from the heart
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