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Post by ladylinda on Jan 7, 2014 11:34:23 GMT -5
The FACTS are that the MAJORITY of immigrants work and pay taxes. The fact that a MINORITY of them don't doesn't alter the FACT that most of them DO. But of course to those who believe that somehow simply BEING an immigrant is some kind of crime no amount of reason or facts will have any impact. and those who don't should be kicked out of the country...nor should any immigrant or migrant get ANY benfits without having paid into the system for at least 5yrs.....that includes housing and NHS etc etc a work visa system with proven work and hosing to go to with a separate insurance scheme for health services AND education services contributed to by both migrant/immigrant and employer...and then sit back and watch how many employers no longer wish to employ and a compulsory number of home grown employees per immigrant/migrant employed and an apprentice scheme for home grown youths in all services no one coming into the country without a job and living acomadation......and yes much of immigration is in fact a crime.....as we know to our costs and as immigrants and migrants do to their costs when they come to the point of working to pay back the monies they have borrowed to get here..... Why don't you kick all the native-born welfare scroungers out of the country? Why obsess on the immigrants? Even proportionate to population immigrants are LESS likely to claim benefits than indigenous people. So why not kick out the welfare bums who're British born and bred and have white skins? |
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jan 7, 2014 11:59:57 GMT -5
They didn't allow them to enter. In broad terms they put up a hell of a fight. But what happens any time people without firearms stand up to people with them...? Not to mention unheard-of epidemic diseases that your immune system's got no idea how to deal with.
Of course, there's Little Big Horn, et al. But, then, tactically incompetent leadership will do that to you, no matter how many rifles you field. Even the cuddly tale of Pocahontas and John Smith is not as it seems, with the Jamestown colony coming under frequent attacks by cheesed-off natives.
And that's before before we look at the resistance put up in Central and Southern America.
Of course, the cheesed-off natives of the UK could respond in a similar vein but we wouldn't be allowed to get away with it on any level and look what the government did when the natives in Northern Ireland decided they'd had enough of the foreign invader.
Then again, look what ensued...
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 7, 2014 12:36:36 GMT -5
I don't think that happened with NAFTA. And I'm sure the Native Americans bitterly regret allowing European immigrants ever to enter! NAFTA was just a trade agreement. The signatories did not cede political control to a central authority. As for the Indians, they didn't count, politically, don't count now, and never will. |
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Post by mouse on Jan 7, 2014 12:58:45 GMT -5
and those who don't should be kicked out of the country...nor should any immigrant or migrant get ANY benfits without having paid into the system for at least 5yrs.....that includes housing and NHS etc etc a work visa system with proven work and hosing to go to with a separate insurance scheme for health services AND education services contributed to by both migrant/immigrant and employer...and then sit back and watch how many employers no longer wish to employ and a compulsory number of home grown employees per immigrant/migrant employed and an apprentice scheme for home grown youths in all services no one coming into the country without a job and living acomadation......and yes much of immigration is in fact a crime.....as we know to our costs and as immigrants and migrants do to their costs when they come to the point of working to pay back the monies they have borrowed to get here..... Why don't you kick all the native-born welfare scroungers out of the country? Why obsess on the immigrants? Even proportionate to population immigrants are LESS likely to claim benefits than indigenous people. So why not kick out the welfare bums who're British born and bred and have white skins? oh strewth..here we go...you don't have to have a white skin to be British...have you understood...a white skin will not make you British....when out of arguments turn up the cries of racism...PATHETIC wriggle attempt why not kick out our own...why?  they belong here if they are of the four nations....and it was their fathers and grandfathers who fought and died for this country and who toiled etc etc etc and paid their dues to the welfare state and the buck has to stop some where......much as I object to layabout dross our layabout dross is for us to tackle[and its about time it was tackled too]...and foreign lay about dross and crims should be returned to its own and is for their own to tackle |
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 7, 2014 17:46:52 GMT -5
I don't think that happened with NAFTA. And I'm sure the Native Americans bitterly regret allowing European immigrants ever to enter! NAFTA was just a trade agreement. The signatories did not cede political control to a central authority. As for the Indians, they didn't count, politically, don't count now, and never will. So that made it all right to murder them and steal their land? What a very strange way of looking at the world. Reminds me of a certain book written in the 1920s by another of these dead Austrians! |
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 7, 2014 17:48:17 GMT -5
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Post by ladylinda on Jan 7, 2014 17:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 7, 2014 18:12:06 GMT -5
So that made it all right to murder them and steal their land? It was their land until they lost it. To the victor go the spoils. What a very strange way of looking at the world. Reminds me of a certain book written in the 1920s by another of these dead Austrians! It's not strange at all. Wars result in conquest. That is the natural order of things. The land you're standing on now used to belong to someone else. Your right to occupy it was obtained at the point of a sword. Are you prepared to give it up in favor of.... whoever? Or would you rather sit at your computer, shedding crocodile tears for the dispossessed, like all the other leftie hypocrites. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 18:16:20 GMT -5
Your egregious comments, Joseph, are yet another example of why government is inherently immoral and should be abolished for the greater good of the world as a whole.
And it is difficult to see why you condemn what you call 'leftie hypocrites' and yet have no word of censure for right-wing hypocrites.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 7, 2014 18:27:05 GMT -5
it is difficult to see why you condemn what you call 'leftie hypocrites' and yet have no word of censure for right-wing hypocrites. I'm as angry at the right-wing hypocrites as well. |
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jan 8, 2014 3:45:41 GMT -5
As for the Indians, they didn't count, politically, don't count now, and never will. As Leonard Peltier knows only too well. |
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Post by mouse on Jan 8, 2014 4:49:58 GMT -5
NAFTA was just a trade agreement. The signatories did not cede political control to a central authority. As for the Indians, they didn't count, politically, don't count now, and never will. So that made it all right to murder them and steal their land? What a very strange way of looking at the world. Reminds me of a certain book written in the 1920s by another of these dead Austrians! ""as for the Indians they didn't count and never will"""so this acknowledgement of political fact......is then turned into ""so that makes it alright to murder them"" a very childish response.. the Indians didn't count politically and that is absolute fact..it makes it neither right or wrong..it simply acknowledges the thinking of the day.. just as today the peoples of Europe and their opinions don't count to the EU facists who are determined to have their way regardless of what the Europeans peoples wish or desire ..we have seen first hand the treatment of the Greeks and the contempt of Brussels and then there was Cyprus and the cavilier contempt with which they were treated |
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they belong here if they are of the four nations....and it was their fathers and grandfathers who fought and died for this country and who toiled etc etc etc and paid their dues to the welfare state and the buck has to stop some where......much as I object to layabout dross our layabout dross is for us to tackle[and its about time it was tackled too]...and foreign lay about dross and crims should be returned to its own and is for their own to tackle