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Post by men an tol on Sept 25, 2014 15:13:48 GMT -5
The killing of the Islamic woman civil rights attorney is another demonstration of the wide philosophical difference between Islam and Western culture. We should be at an end of the fallacy of attempting to negotiate with these savage barbarians.
If there really are some moderate, Islamic terrorist, where are they? Why would they not take the steps to reject and get rid of these sub humans, these less that Homo Sapiens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 15:41:08 GMT -5
To point out that the actions of individuals or a minority ARE those of a minority is not bleating. It is a simple statement of fact. The bleating is from the bigoted and prejudiced people who foment hatred. That is as true of fanatical Muslims as it is of fanatical antiMuslims. Neither of them believes in multiculturalism. Don't you think, though, that by putting themselves out there and shouting down the moderates, the extremists have become the definitive Muslims, and the majority has allowed this to happen without effective intervention? That's the way it seems to me. No, I do not agree that the extremists have become the definitive Muslims. There are now MORE Muslims - including senior clerics - denouncing extremism than ever; more Muslims openly refusing to be associated with it in any way; more Muslims turning their children and family members over to the police than ever before. So the facts are against you. The problem is that the media is part of a deliberate conspiracy by the political classes to foment hatred and fear and because of the utter stupidity and inhumanity of ISIS, Hamas and similar groups their 'take' on things is believed by the public. But it is as accurate as Goebbels' libels on the Jews.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 15:42:46 GMT -5
The killing of the Islamic woman civil rights attorney is another demonstration of the wide philosophical difference between Islam and Western culture. We should be at an end of the fallacy of attempting to negotiate with these savage barbarians. If there really are some moderate, Islamic terrorist, where are they? Why would they not take the steps to reject and get rid of these sub humans, these less that Homo Sapiens. You are assuming that humans killing other humans somehow only appeared recently and is confined to Muslims. The most cursory study of human history would make you realise that is not the case. And genetically there is no difference between these people and you or I so they are every bit as human as we are. As Nietzsche said, 'human, all too human.'
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Post by men an tol on Sept 25, 2014 17:36:57 GMT -5
men an tol said: “ . . . The killing of the Islamic woman civil rights attorney is another demonstration of the wide philosophical difference between Islam and Western culture. We should be at an end of the fallacy of attempting to negotiate with these savage barbarians. . . . If there really are some moderate, Islamic terrorist, where are they? Why would they not take the steps to reject and get rid of these sub humans, these less that Homo Sapiens. . . . “
Mike Replied with: “ . . . . You are assuming that humans killing other humans somehow only appeared recently and is confined to Muslims. . . . . . . The most cursory study of human history would make you realise that is not the case. . . . . And genetically there is no difference between these people and you or I so they are every bit as human as we are. . . . . As Nietzsche said, 'human, all too human.' . . . . “
You are perfectly correct Mike, killing has been part of human history since the before the beginning of known history. Obviously killing occurs for a number of reasons, for food, for defense, for anger, by accident, by war of acquisition, by war of genocide, and many other reasons. And of course Nietzsche had much to offer on the acts of people, alone, as well as in groups. His trilogy of books “Human, All Too Human” reflect that philosophical point of view of the passions relative to reason, and in that Nietzsche belief (the Passions dominate over Reason) we are all the same, so' Human, All Too Human' makes some sense.
In the biological sense we are surely all the same but is it not what we each do with our 'bag of genes?' Does not our actions come from our reasoned use of ourselves? If we are no different than those who torture and kill all who are not as themselves, would we not simply go into the Mideast and turn it to glass. We of the West (certainly the United States) have that capability, we can do it in a single day. In doing so we would be be proving your assertion genetically there is no difference between these people and you or I. Homo Sapiens Sapiens (from the Latin for Wise Man), meaning that we think as part of our being and such differentiates us from Homo Sapiens Neanderthal, or Homo Sapiens Cro Magnon, and certainly from Homo Erectus.
As the Wise Man do we not include beyond our biological make up the actions of ourselves. I think (and obviously this is not a belief originating with me) we do and as that Wise Man we do not eat our own young or kill off those others in Our Homo Sapiens Sapiens species. Yes, in the past and in specific instances some have done such things and we have rejected such actions as not representative of civilized thinking people. Those who do this are not civilized. They have (certainly in a cultural sense) rejected civilization.
This group of individuals, at least the 'join us or die' version of Islam, have rejected civilization for over 1400 years and have not changed during that period. If there are those among Islam who reject this 'eat our young' mentality, let them not just step forward but become active in eliminating these less than Homo Sapiens Sapiens. However, they are the ones who must demonstrate that capability. So far each time the hand of the West is offered it gets bitten off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 16:43:18 GMT -5
I am far less sanguine than you are about the extent to which rationality governs human behaviour.
The fundamental problem as I see it is that too many people are content to be led rather than think for themselves.
Hence all the 'charismatic' leaders and the pie in the sky sales merchants.
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Post by men an tol on Sept 30, 2014 23:06:29 GMT -5
Mike offered, “ . . . I am far less sanguine than you are about the extent to which rationality governs human behaviour. . . . The fundamental problem as I see it is that too many people are content to be led rather than think for themselves. . . . Hence all the 'charismatic' leaders and the pie in the sky sales merchants. . . . “
Really Mike, I am not adjectivally confident, optimistic and cheerful. As the years have past I'm becoming increasingly disappointed in the decisions of people. It is easy to accept them as lacking in rationality, but maybe there is more to this than such a simple approach. Like you I have a specific view of the world, a view that (looking back) has evolved with increasing evidence (to me) of its 'rationality.' Does this then mean that those with a different perspective are not rational, I think not.
Most here would guess that I find nothing in common with those of radical Islam. In that context people would easily expect me to find their decisions within their (Islamic) philosophy as lacking rationality. That would be an incorrect conclusion. I find them very rational within the context of their philosophy, not correct in the benefit of humans, but yes, rational.
The deciding of what is is rational and what is not rational is contextual. We have both referenced Nietzsche and I suspect that we would both consider him a rational being. At the same time, the Apostle Paul had a very different philosophy but was he any less rational? My point is that their being rational can only be 'rationally' judged within the context of their philosophies separate from one another. Consideration of the credibility of their philosophies, their rational arguments is a separate act.
Are there people that seemingly simply respond to the directions of others? Sure there are and within that they may be quite rational, in their minds. Frustrating? Surely it is, but I suspect that it has always been so.
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Post by markindurham on Oct 8, 2014 11:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by beth on Oct 8, 2014 13:32:22 GMT -5
Iron bars and machetes! They are 'way too fond of weapons with blades. I fead last week that they had plans to move into Europe and wreck havoc.
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Oct 12, 2014 4:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by markindurham on Oct 12, 2014 5:25:35 GMT -5
smiley 1 Doesn't it just...
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Oct 12, 2014 17:05:26 GMT -5
Choice (read the small print):-
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Oct 16, 2014 5:43:23 GMT -5
FFS...
And here's a member of Parliament dreaming about the Commons being 100% muslim in short order:-
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Oct 27, 2014 8:55:42 GMT -5
More islamic intolerance and censorship - and jubilation when they get their own way:-
I can see several people there who should have had their horoscopes read for them by virtue of one of those batons across the face.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 22:00:35 GMT -5
they should never have been allowed into western countries.......that is not a religion at all.
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Post by mouse on Oct 28, 2014 3:43:04 GMT -5
absolutely agree with you cheffy..it ISNT a religion....but the reality is it really isn't a religion it is an entire way of life as any half knowlegable muslim will tell you this small but important fact is either unknown or wilfully ignored by our western governments.. mind you the English have thrown them out before... so there is a precedent
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