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Post by mouse on Dec 10, 2018 9:21:32 GMT -5
Dominique Benjamin Jamet 19 hrs GILETS JAUNES : ACTE IV, SCENE 1
Yellow vests: ACT IV, scene 1
After a fourth Saturday of disorder and uproar, the dominant mood was this morning to relief. The Apocalypse announced to its of, so to say programmed by the government and media spheres, and legitimately feared both by the "Yellow vests" and by those who feared to make the costs of their anger, had not taken place. The Arc of triumph had not been desecrated again. The Elysée had not been invaded or even threatened. Paris had not burned, or so little... and above all, above all, we had not had to deplore any death. No longer remained, as in previous Sundays, to assess the damage, to clean the streets, to replace broken windows, vandalized urban furniture, to compensate traders robbed, to play insurance... And to tender for the next weekend and hope it ends as well. The routine of chaos, in sum. This relief, this "Coward Relief", to resume the very expression of léon blum in 1938, is not without recalling, all proportions kept, the first reaction of opinion to the announcement of the lamentable Munich agreements. It is first the fruit of the anxiety spread over the past few days by politicians all the more potentially that they were more anxious, and by the countless actors, commentators and analysts of news, professional or amateur, more often arsonists than firefighters , whose progress in communication has spread the species and amplified the voice. But it also gives, and it is even more worrying, the measure of the failure of a power whose will tremble, whose seat shrinks and whose hand trembles, of a power which can be seen from week to week the inability to ensure The basic mission is the guarantee and maintenance of public security. Of course, by the grace of a general mobilization which, we say with of to, has brought together all the available staffing, nearly 90.000 gendarmes, crs and police have failed 135.000 generally peaceful demonstrators and some Thousands of troublemakers. Of course, more than 2000 proven or potential troublemakers have been intercepted, arrested and some detained. Brilliant success, in truth, which was acquired only after, hours during, thugs, thugs and looters went without complex to confrontation with the police, held the street, burned cars, trashed shops , spread in our cities, and not just in Paris, fire, terror and desolation. The price to pay is exorbitant, both economically and in psychological, political and social terms. The image of the capital is tainted, the image of France affected, the morale of the forces of order reached, the credibility of the power seriously weakened. What appeared yesterday in the blinding clarity of the flames is that the fracture or rather the gap between deep France and official France continues to widen, it is also that barbaric hordes, convinced of their impunity, are driving On our soil as if they were at war in an enemy country. Beyond these street fights, beyond the tumult, while we have just approached the fourth act of the drama that has been playing round points since mid-November, there is no serious reason to think that the movement says "Yellow vests" are getting lost. On the contrary, whatever the genoa and the damage it has been able to carry out so far, the approval and support of the population remains very widely acquired. After too long answered the cries by silence, claims by refusal, and expectations by immobility, the government, in other words the head of state, seems to have finally become aware of the magnitude of the problem, and admitted, - it is against the heart that a few concessions, thrown as a alms from the balcony of a palace and that the promise of a consultation did not désarmeraient the dissatisfied, that it was vain to speculate on their weariness, adventurous to play decay, reckless To hope that everything would be in order at the holidays. Are we already in the fifth and final act? It is known that in the ancient tragedy it is that of the outcome, which often facilitates the intervention of a timely deus ex machina. A Golden role for the one who did not come to the summit, to be compared to Jupiter, and to wield the wrath that have too often proved to be the cardboard of which the sets and wood are made of the flutes. But what will the text be? Emmanuel Macron's intervention is expected with impatience that is not played. For what is at stake, everyone understands it, it is not only the success or failure of a man who has long been favoured by luck and caressed by success, but that of his quinquennium and his place in history, in The guidance he has decided to print to France. If we are to be able to recognize his mistakes in behaviour, language, judgment and politics, he is left to judge himself, to deny himself, to humiliate himself if it is necessary to make this humiliation even the springboard of his rebound, which is Waiting for the president of the French Republic, these are not great words and small measures, but a total change of course. What is expected of the head of state is that he ceases to be the spokesman for technocrats and "bobos", the president of the very rich, the puppet of the multinationals, the scrunchie of Brussels, the idol of Startuppers is that he renounce his design of the world in the fashion of wall street to finally worry about the greatness of France and the happiness of French, of all French. The beautiful minds are determine of the internal contradictions, the inconsistency, the inexperience of "Yellow vests". it is true that these, passed from the spontaneity of a jacquerie to the political field and humble material requests to Sometimes without measure, have not so far built one of these brilliant programmes that is excellent to develop policy professionals to better deny them once in place. But if they are not always clear in the expression of their wishes, they are in that of their refusal. This uprising from the depths has a meaning that brings together, despite secondary differences, all its participants. Burdened with various taxes and taxes, unemployed, precarious or salaried workers whose employment does not provide the conditions for a decent life, the "Yellow vests" are unanimous in the rejection of traditional, corrupt, sclerotic and non-Representative political parties, Of an unequal and unfair society, of indifferent, disconnected, even contemptuous elites, of the two oligarchies, of money and diplomas, which are in France today what was in France yesterday the nobility and the church. They lost their trust, they lost hope. Emmanuel Macron is responsible for giving them back. Great program.
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Post by mouse on Dec 10, 2018 9:30:43 GMT -5
"""". What is expected of the head of state is that he ceases to be the spokesman for technocrats and "bobos", the president of the very rich, the puppet of the multinationals, the scrunchie of Brussels, the idol of Startuppers is that he renounce his design of the world in the fashion of wall street to finally worry about the greatness of France and the happiness of French, of all French"""""
"""""This uprising from the depths has a meaning that brings together, despite secondary differences, all its participants. Burdened with various taxes and taxes, unemployed, precarious or salaried workers whose employment does not provide the conditions for a decent life, the "Yellow vests" are unanimous in the rejection of traditional, corrupt, sclerotic and non-Representative political parties, Of an unequal and unfair society, of indifferent, disconnected, even contemptuous elites, of the two oligarchies, of money and diplomas, which are in France"""""""
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Post by mouse on Dec 12, 2018 5:13:57 GMT -5
"""""We think we've got problems? Macron's popularity is the lowest ever, at 20%, and Merkel's even lower, at 17%... Riots in Paris, Merkel with no overall majority, and a drunk running the EU. I think we're positively 'strong and stable'"""""
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Post by mouse on Dec 17, 2018 6:22:11 GMT -5
and the numbers of protests go up Roumania France Holland Belgium now in its 4th week Hungary in its early stage and as far as I can gather in each case the protests can be traced back to EU directives even we UK have had two lack luster protests..and one well attended insuch diverse places as London and Somerset... the Somerset one having nothing to do with the EU but in reaction to council ahem worthies giving them selves a rather large rise and one of the protest in London was a protest against the government not telling the UN to go do one on their new unlimited immigration idea and also the idea that talking in a disparaging way about immigration should become a crime
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Post by ladylinda on Dec 17, 2018 19:21:50 GMT -5
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Post by mouse on Dec 18, 2018 7:06:24 GMT -5
""""France’s fuel protests have partly turned into anti-Macron protests as well. Under his leadership taxes are increased, but he forgets to protect the French people and their culture. It’s the same for Belgium and the Netherlands. Their leaders lead their country like modern companies, making a profit is seen by them as a success.
But in the meantime some much more important issues are being ignored. An increasing number of people are worried about immigration, about poverty and about the future of their children. Many of these people can’t be classified according to a political direction. They can be left or right, but most share at least one characteristic: They are hard working middle class people. These people are barely represented in Western Europe. The media calls them xenophobes, the right and far-left anarchists and politicians don’t seem to listen to them as some of their parties are banned from government coalitions""""
the middle and working have had just about enough of governments who have no intentions of listening to the people worries and concerns and until the people actually get violent don't listen and certainly don't care this has been a long time in coming and what we see is only the top of the iceberg of discontent …and theres away to go yet before they will take the populations really seriously... Brexit has been an eye opener not only in the UK but across Europe, the words and attitudes coming out of Brussels shows a total disregard of what any one want except the unelected..their own meps have warned them time and time again... but heads so far in the trough its made them deaf when the only way you can get some people to join an organisation is by threats and making them vote and vote again until the result is the one the unelected want ..then you know things are in a very bad place in deed
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Post by mouse on Dec 23, 2018 9:03:57 GMT -5
Macron is just about hanging on, and Portugal[Englands oldest ally] is the latest country to endure gilet of yellow protests,,,,,the Danes are said to be playing with the idea of dexit even though they are not full members of the EU.... Polands chappies is in trouble[couldn't happen to a better man] after his desire to punish us , so far no plague of locusts or frogs and no rivers turning red over night...
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Post by ladylinda on Dec 24, 2018 17:01:16 GMT -5
People who hate freedom and democracy like to pretend that populism is some neo-Nazi right-wing plot.
Populism is what its name means - a movement of the people.
It can be left or right; it can be motivated by economic, political or religious triggers; and it's not a uniform thing.
In some countries it's been mainly a leftist phenomenon; in others mainly rightist.
And I worry about the way that decent people get smeared.
Mike and I have been on three pro-Brexit rallies this year and at only ONE of them were any kind of racist remarks made. There was a wide spread of political opinions and even skin colours demonstrating FOR Brexit.
Populism arises when people get sick and tired of the elite misruling them.
You can read about it in the history books; it's not a modern phenomenon.
But it's one that the misruling classes ignore at their peril.
Remember what Louis XIV wrote in his diary on 14 July 1789? 'Rien' - 'nothing.'
To coin a phrase, boy, did he get THAT wrong!
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Post by mouse on Dec 26, 2018 6:17:12 GMT -5
I think we can safely say its begun... but whether the momentum will carry it forward I don't know....but I do know its only just begun and theres miles to travel as yet whether the journey will be peaceful or violent is not clear .. but the re-action from the police and security in France and Brussels is indicative those in power will use violence [guns]against their own to keep power and control .. thank goodness they have no EU army to set against the populations all strength to your elbows Marshalls.... funny thing is none of this political hyporcrites mind being on the end of the popular vote when its them being elected
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Post by men an tol on Dec 26, 2018 11:05:41 GMT -5
I think we can safely say its begun... but whether the momentum will carry it forward I don't know....but I do know its only just begun and theres miles to travel as yet whether the journey will be peaceful or violent is not clear .. but the re-action from the police and security in France and Brussels is indicative those in power will use violence [guns]against their own to keep power and control .. thank goodness they have no EU army to set against the populations all strength to your elbows Marshalls.... funny thing is none of this political hyporcrites mind being on the end of the popular vote when its them being elected Another post that shows you don't know much about the U. S. at all, mouse. Interesting how we can each take away different understandings from the same post. To me Mouse’s post was entirely about the EU and England leaving it. I didn’t see anything about the United States. Based on the understanding I had about it, I find Mouse’s postings about the EU and England quite informative. The same with Fret’s postings on the same subject. Their postings on this subject have made my watching the Questions of the Prime Minister (which I try to watch through CSPAN) more meaningful. I suspect that by the due date of March 29th, 2019 there will continue to be increasing tension both within England and between England and the EU. I also suspect that the ultimate result will be determined more by the economic strength of these various countries that by agreements. Agreements which so far seem to have been less than realistic. The United States should stay out of this situation as none of it is any of our business. At best the United States has a stake in NATO and trade, and those are outside of the relationship between England and the EU.
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Post by men an tol on Dec 26, 2018 11:43:52 GMT -5
this is worth a read.. some of the translation is quaint.. but the article gives insight to another point of view..by a French journalist very well known in his field... [and no he doesn't lie] Dominique Benjamin Jamet LA VAGUE « POPULISTE » : A QUI LA FAUTE ? De passage à Prague et à Bratislava où il est naturellement reçu avec la cordialité qui sied entre dirigeants amis e... See More The "Populist" Wave, whose fault is it? From a passage to Prague and bratislava, where it is naturally received with the cordiality that fits between friends and the respects due to its rank, the president of the French Republic is violently taking the neighbouring governments of Poland and Hungary, including He does not hesitate to call the leaders, yet also democratically elected but much more popular than himself, of "crazy spirits". back in Paris, Emmanuel Macron, seized of the same trances that once stirred the soothsayer of delphi or the Sibylle of cumae, thinks he can read in the dark sky of autumn nothing less than the signs of the "return of the s", sinister memory. Then he takes a few days of vacation, well deserved. Would it be necessary to give a big blow to its verbal and apocalyptic predictions? Point at all. As the head of state recovers and finds the smile on the edges of the old basin of honfleur, his government programme and broadcast, in the middle of the pont de la toussaint, nine months from the European elections in may 2019, then even That the official election campaign is obviously not open, a clip of low propaganda, made with public money, which opposes of, in a partisan spirit, the camp of the good, in other words this brimbalante European Union which is supposed to do our Happiness, and the peat of the factional, the dividers, the troublemakers which, more and more, dare to challenge the organization, the functioning, the power, the decree and ask for the total discount. Panic on board. The same man who had decided to turn the consultation next spring into a referendum in which the twenty-eight countries concerned, and first of all, the "progressive", And the "nationalists", that's how he called face his opponents - now fears to be taken to the word. Britain took the broad, the German Chancellor, who he intended to rely on, is only a lady of iron. But above all, across Europe, North, South, East, France even swelling the powerful "Populist" Wave (still a word invented and used to discredit those who took the people's party, another word Of which there is no need to blush and to return against those who are indeed the enemies of the people). The water is rising irresistibly, as in Walt Disney's Fantasia, where the sound of dukas's music is swallowed by the sweet little mickey who played the apprentice-Wizards. Hence this dramatization of the painting, hence this pathetic call to the sacred union of bankers, financiers, media, members of this very select circle of the reason that acc 40, horses back and horses Of Reform, old parties hastily painted with the colours of walking and suckers that must be frighten, as if democracy was in danger when the people had the floor. Let's be serious for a Fascists, looking well, can always find, here and there, the state of traces, groups, of, certainly fewer and less dangerous than jihadists or thugs whose state cannot get rid of us. But are the peoples of Europe fascist? Are there mass parties, governments, fascist states in Europe? Where is there a single party, a providential dictator, vital space, racist discrimination, prisons, camps, extermination, return of the beast? All we see, all I see, in France and our neighbours, is the resurgence of nations that refuse their dissolution, it is the awakening of peoples who seek to regain their sovereignty with their sovereignty. It is also the rejection, which is going to spread, of institutions and leaders who for years have stopped taking into account the anxieties, suffering, misery, and the just aspirations of the peoples, who have been and are unable to To rule public order, social order, just order, and defend a civilization threatened by all sides. What Treaties, what dogmas, what unspeakable links, what complicity, what appetites, what narrow views and hearts explain that for decades those we elect are so indifferent to the general interest, to the national interest, that A minority of privileged, as under the old regime, on the eve of the revolution, is so deaf and blind, so disconnected from the reality of peoples? Eighteen months ago, many saw or wanted to see in the advent of a young and brilliant republican monarch a new dawn. One third of his mandate, the silhouette of Emmanuel macron fades in the twilight where the miraculous shepherd, who, in fact, has beaten only those of unpopularity, tries to gather around him a scattered herd by playing on the Scared. When you scream at the wolf, it happens that this one ends up coming. Whose fault? Dominique Jamet What wonderful insight by one who can use language. To me the following paragraph is the summary of his insight. “ . . . All we see, all I see, in France and our neighbours, is the resurgence of nations that refuse their dissolution, it is the awakening of peoples who seek to regain their sovereignty with their sovereignty. It is also the rejection, which is going to spread, of institutions and leaders who for years have stopped taking into account the anxieties, suffering, misery, and the just aspirations of the peoples, who have been and are unable to To rule public order, social order, just order, and defend a civilization threatened by all sides. . . “ Leaders do not see the desires of the people. And yet the people swell with their spoken fears and the obvious desires not to cede their ‘national sovereignty’. The leaders see only personal gain and disrespect the unique national definitions, containing these national desires of the people in paper chains of agreements defining an identity that exists only in the great schemes of a grander nation that doesn’t exist. The world has seen other similar efforts, but none has held back the people for their own definitions of nationhood. This too shall pass with the only question being how and at what cost. England has the opportunity to step away and be on their own, to be an island of sanity in a maelstrom violence. Once more England may have to stand on its shores to repel the alien hordes of destruction.
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Post by beth on Dec 26, 2018 13:46:24 GMT -5
Another post that shows you don't know much about the U. S. at all, mouse. Interesting how we can each take away different understandings from the same post. To me Mouse’s post was entirely about the EU and England leaving it. I didn’t see anything about the United States. Based on the understanding I had about it, I find Mouse’s postings about the EU and England quite informative. The same with Fret’s postings on the same subject. Their postings on this subject have made my watching the Questions of the Prime Minister (which I try to watch through CSPAN) more meaningful. I suspect that by the due date of March 29th, 2019 there will continue to be increasing tension both within England and between England and the EU. I also suspect that the ultimate result will be determined more by the economic strength of these various countries that by agreements. Agreements which so far seem to have been less than realistic. The United States should stay out of this situation as none of it is any of our business. At best the United States has a stake in NATO and trade, and those are outside of the relationship between England and the EU. Just a guess but I'm thinking Sys3 intended to reply to another pose, Men an tol, and just ended up in the wrong thread. I'll leave him a PM asking him to have a look. Hope your Xmas was a good one. Beth
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Post by men an tol on Dec 26, 2018 14:13:11 GMT -5
Interesting how we can each take away different understandings from the same post. To me Mouse’s post was entirely about the EU and England leaving it. I didn’t see anything about the United States. Based on the understanding I had about it, I find Mouse’s postings about the EU and England quite informative. The same with Fret’s postings on the same subject. Their postings on this subject have made my watching the Questions of the Prime Minister (which I try to watch through CSPAN) more meaningful. I suspect that by the due date of March 29th, 2019 there will continue to be increasing tension both within England and between England and the EU. I also suspect that the ultimate result will be determined more by the economic strength of these various countries that by agreements. Agreements which so far seem to have been less than realistic. The United States should stay out of this situation as none of it is any of our business. At best the United States has a stake in NATO and trade, and those are outside of the relationship between England and the EU. Just a guess but I'm thinking Sys3 intended to reply to another pose, Men an tol, and just ended up in the wrong thread. I'll leave him a PM asking him to have a look. Hope your Xmas was a good one. Beth That would seem to be a reasonable guess Beth. Christmas is always what we make of it.
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Post by mouse on Jan 5, 2019 4:45:33 GMT -5
my son was in Paris over Christmas and new Year....and went out to see for himself the anger according to those he spoke to has not abated....
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Post by fretslider on Jan 5, 2019 10:36:06 GMT -5
my son was in Paris over Christmas and new Year....and went out to see for himself the anger according to those he spoke to has not abated.... I think it's fair to say that unless things change, they won't abate. It's there simmering away....
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