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Post by beth on Oct 29, 2018 10:24:23 GMT -5
Trump, GOP reject allegations that incendiary rhetoric fueled climate of violence
The partisan brawl that erupted reflected a relatively new front in the country’s political divide just ahead of the midterm elections.
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Post by beth on Oct 29, 2018 10:25:40 GMT -5
rump, GOP reject allegations that incendiary rhetoric fueled climate of violence Well of course they do. Why stop lying now; they've made a career of it. |
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Post by mouse on Oct 30, 2018 7:28:25 GMT -5
both sides need to take responsibility six of one and half a dozen of the others
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Post by Dex on Oct 30, 2018 10:35:29 GMT -5
both sides need to take responsibility six of one and half a dozen of the others But both sides are not equally responsible, mouse. They need to get together and stop the rough stuff but Trump does not seem to want to do that so who knows where it will lend. He likes controlling his supporters and egging them on. |
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Post by annaj26 on Oct 30, 2018 15:08:43 GMT -5
both sides need to take responsibility six of one and half a dozen of the others mouse, if you are talking about politics, both sides do NOT share responsibility. Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. Push on wit5h whatever you want to believe but don't claim you have the ability to empathize with Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President. It's different than what you are used to in the U. K.. |
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Post by men an tol on Oct 30, 2018 18:49:06 GMT -5
both sides need to take responsibility six of one and half a dozen of the others mouse, if you are talking about politics, both sides do NOT share responsibility. Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. Push on wit5h whatever you want to believe but don't claim you have the ability to empathize with Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President. It's different than what you are used to in the U. K.. Annj26, thank you for your post reply to Mouse, I believe that it explains a lot of the reasons for differing perspectives. I’ll first refer to your comment, “ . . . Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. . . “ Other than the reality that (in my opinion) every group connected to ‘any’ political personality or belief, has some such people, I do not find much of this type of person in those who support Donald Trump. By and large they seem to be people who stand on basic value systems that have existed within the United States and are concerned that such values seem to be less desired by a growing number of people. As much as with any group they are well educated and as intelligent as any other group. For example, a significant segment of these people are rural and that means in today’s world, they ‘must be’ highly educated as the jobs and careers associated with rural life require intense education. They are often involved with the employment of other people, projection of business directions, purchasing in markets for use many months into the future, and most often do their own maintenance of equipment and facilities. They must be aware of foreign markets. It doesn’t matter if they are a current producer of crops or tied into families that require such knowledge and capabilities. Most are solid members of the religious institutions that they attend and support. They insist that their children become educated. These are the people who are active in their township meetings, their local city meetings, their local county meetings, the managing of their local churches and their local schools. They are often involved in one or more coops. These individuals maintain an active knowledge of politics, locally, at their State levels and nationally. Even so, rarely will you find them marching as some mob shouting meaningless slogans to support some goal that others make up for them. They are not part of the “Me Too” movement, or any or the urban mobs that rarely know what they are shouting about. You certainly wouldn’t find them disrespecting the members of a family out to dinner. While many of them know their elected representatives personally, you won’t find them as meaningless lemmings in a mob beating on the doors of rooms in buildings of our national capital, or, crassly interrupting Congressional meetings with meaningless exhibitions. These people primarily support President Trump because (even in his unique manner) he supports the basic values of our country. You also stated, “ . . . Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President . . . “ you seem to sincerely believe that President Trump is hurting some group within the United States, I really would like to know what group you are referring to. As with most things, he can do little without the support of Congress and if he is, I really would like to know about it. One other thing, strictly my opinion, but there does seem to be some attempting here to go after Mouse apparently based on the idea that she cannot know how things are here. I would have to disagree with that for two reasons, first, everything here gets written up in the news media and our televisions sources are as much available to people outside of our country as to those within the country. Moreover, in England they seem to have as much, or more, contention between various peoples and between the people and government, as we do, maybe more. A perspective from outside of our country can provide insight that we (being in the middle of things) are missing. Anyway, Annaj26, I do appreciate your posting to Mouse simply because it demonstrates quite clearly differing perspectives. And to be clear, I appreciate and find interesting the postings of Mouse, and Fret too for that matter. |
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Post by Jessiealan on Oct 30, 2018 20:07:25 GMT -5
mouse, if you are talking about politics, both sides do NOT share responsibility. Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. Push on wit5h whatever you want to believe but don't claim you have the ability to empathize with Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President. It's different than what you are used to in the U. K.. Annj26, thank you for your post reply to Mouse, I believe that it explains a lot of the reasons for differing perspectives. I’ll first refer to your comment, “ . . . Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. . . “ Other than the reality that (in my opinion) every group connected to ‘any’ political personality or belief, has some such people, I do not find much of this type of person in those who support Donald Trump. By and large they seem to be people who stand on basic value systems that have existed within the United States and are concerned that such values seem to be less desired by a growing number of people. As much as with any group they are well educated and as intelligent as any other group. For example, a significant segment of these people are rural and that means in today’s world, they ‘must be’ highly educated as the jobs and careers associated with rural life require intense education. They are often involved with the employment of other people, projection of business directions, purchasing in markets for use many months into the future, and most often do their own maintenance of equipment and facilities. They must be aware of foreign markets. It doesn’t matter if they are a current producer of crops or tied into families that require such knowledge and capabilities. Most are solid members of the religious institutions that they attend and support. They insist that their children become educated. These are the people who are active in their township meetings, their local city meetings, their local county meetings, the managing of their local churches and their local schools. They are often involved in one or more coops. These individuals maintain an active knowledge of politics, locally, at their State levels and nationally. Even so, rarely will you find them marching as some mob shouting meaningless slogans to support some goal that others make up for them. They are not part of the “Me Too” movement, or any or the urban mobs that rarely know what they are shouting about. You certainly wouldn’t find them disrespecting the members of a family out to dinner. While many of them know their elected representatives personally, you won’t find them as meaningless lemmings in a mob beating on the doors of rooms in buildings of our national capital, or, crassly interrupting Congressional meetings with meaningless exhibitions. These people primarily support President Trump because (even in his unique manner) he supports the basic values of our country. You also stated, “ . . . Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President . . . “ you seem to sincerely believe that President Trump is hurting some group within the United States, I really would like to know what group you are referring to. As with most things, he can do little without the support of Congress and if he is, I really would like to know about it. One other thing, strictly my opinion, but there does seem to be some attempting here to go after Mouse apparently based on the idea that she cannot know how things are here. I would have to disagree with that for two reasons, first, everything here gets written up in the news media and our televisions sources are as much available to people outside of our country as to those within the country. Moreover, in England they seem to have as much, or more, contention between various peoples and between the people and government, as we do, maybe more. A perspective from outside of our country can provide insight that we (being in the middle of things) are missing. Anyway, Annaj26, I do appreciate your posting to Mouse simply because it demonstrates quite clearly differing perspectives. And to be clear, I appreciate and find interesting the postings of Mouse, and Fret too for that matter. Men an tol, this is a rather strange post. You seem to think we (other posters) need your permission to post with mouse. |
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Post by men an tol on Oct 30, 2018 21:08:02 GMT -5
Annj26, thank you for your post reply to Mouse, I believe that it explains a lot of the reasons for differing perspectives. I’ll first refer to your comment, “ . . . Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. . . “ Other than the reality that (in my opinion) every group connected to ‘any’ political personality or belief, has some such people, I do not find much of this type of person in those who support Donald Trump. By and large they seem to be people who stand on basic value systems that have existed within the United States and are concerned that such values seem to be less desired by a growing number of people. As much as with any group they are well educated and as intelligent as any other group. For example, a significant segment of these people are rural and that means in today’s world, they ‘must be’ highly educated as the jobs and careers associated with rural life require intense education. They are often involved with the employment of other people, projection of business directions, purchasing in markets for use many months into the future, and most often do their own maintenance of equipment and facilities. They must be aware of foreign markets. It doesn’t matter if they are a current producer of crops or tied into families that require such knowledge and capabilities. Most are solid members of the religious institutions that they attend and support. They insist that their children become educated. These are the people who are active in their township meetings, their local city meetings, their local county meetings, the managing of their local churches and their local schools. They are often involved in one or more coops. These individuals maintain an active knowledge of politics, locally, at their State levels and nationally. Even so, rarely will you find them marching as some mob shouting meaningless slogans to support some goal that others make up for them. They are not part of the “Me Too” movement, or any or the urban mobs that rarely know what they are shouting about. You certainly wouldn’t find them disrespecting the members of a family out to dinner. While many of them know their elected representatives personally, you won’t find them as meaningless lemmings in a mob beating on the doors of rooms in buildings of our national capital, or, crassly interrupting Congressional meetings with meaningless exhibitions. These people primarily support President Trump because (even in his unique manner) he supports the basic values of our country. You also stated, “ . . . Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President . . . “ you seem to sincerely believe that President Trump is hurting some group within the United States, I really would like to know what group you are referring to. As with most things, he can do little without the support of Congress and if he is, I really would like to know about it. One other thing, strictly my opinion, but there does seem to be some attempting here to go after Mouse apparently based on the idea that she cannot know how things are here. I would have to disagree with that for two reasons, first, everything here gets written up in the news media and our televisions sources are as much available to people outside of our country as to those within the country. Moreover, in England they seem to have as much, or more, contention between various peoples and between the people and government, as we do, maybe more. A perspective from outside of our country can provide insight that we (being in the middle of things) are missing. Anyway, Annaj26, I do appreciate your posting to Mouse simply because it demonstrates quite clearly differing perspectives. And to be clear, I appreciate and find interesting the postings of Mouse, and Fret too for that matter. Men an tol, this is a rather strange post. You seem to think we (other posters) need your permission to post with mouse. Not at all. As far as I know anyone here can post to whoever they want. My only concern is that Mouse (who I believe does very good postings) get credible information. What I post is my understandings, what others post is whatever they want. |
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Post by mouse on Oct 31, 2018 3:20:50 GMT -5
both sides need to take responsibility six of one and half a dozen of the others But both sides are not equally responsible, mouse. They need to get together and stop the rough stuff but Trump does not seem to want to do that so who knows where it will lend. He likes controlling his supporters and egging them on. sorry but yes they are... some one holding a mock up of trumps head is just as guilty if not more so than trumps ego...that along with the constant disparagement and demeaning of those who dared to have an opinion other than yours... what those of us who worry worry about what will happen further down the line .. what will happen when the thickos and the unworthy don't get the president they wish.. what happens then ?... because once the legal vote us ignored where do you go from there |
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Post by mouse on Oct 31, 2018 3:49:45 GMT -5
both sides need to take responsibility six of one and half a dozen of the others mouse, if you are talking about politics, both sides do NOT share responsibility. Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. Push on with whatever you want to believe but don't claim you have the ability to empathize with Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President. It's different than what you are used to in the U. K.. I don't claim to empathise.. I actually do empathise...and yes both sides do share a responsibility ..whether you like it or not as for out siders not being able to understand...perhaps they do understand all too well... America is not presenting some thing new and unheard of.. its nothing not seen before..it may be new to Americans but its certainly not new in the world of politics """It's different than what you are used to in the U. K..""" no it isn't why would you even think that.. and its not different than anything Europe/UK has known... do be careful what you unleash... """"Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult.""" really so being less educated and less bright they are not entitled to vote unless they vote the way you want them too... really.. so you don't want an equal vote .. you want a vote where those who think like you win every time very eastern bloc... [be very careful what you wish for] ...and oddly enough you are also parroting the EU.. THE eu which has time after time made sovereign peoples vote and vote until the EU got the result they wanted...because they say those who voted against the brussels elite were not bright enough and not educated enough to understand |
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Post by mouse on Oct 31, 2018 3:52:12 GMT -5
Annj26, thank you for your post reply to Mouse, I believe that it explains a lot of the reasons for differing perspectives. I’ll first refer to your comment, “ . . . Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. . . “ Other than the reality that (in my opinion) every group connected to ‘any’ political personality or belief, has some such people, I do not find much of this type of person in those who support Donald Trump. By and large they seem to be people who stand on basic value systems that have existed within the United States and are concerned that such values seem to be less desired by a growing number of people. As much as with any group they are well educated and as intelligent as any other group. For example, a significant segment of these people are rural and that means in today’s world, they ‘must be’ highly educated as the jobs and careers associated with rural life require intense education. They are often involved with the employment of other people, projection of business directions, purchasing in markets for use many months into the future, and most often do their own maintenance of equipment and facilities. They must be aware of foreign markets. It doesn’t matter if they are a current producer of crops or tied into families that require such knowledge and capabilities. Most are solid members of the religious institutions that they attend and support. They insist that their children become educated. These are the people who are active in their township meetings, their local city meetings, their local county meetings, the managing of their local churches and their local schools. They are often involved in one or more coops. These individuals maintain an active knowledge of politics, locally, at their State levels and nationally. Even so, rarely will you find them marching as some mob shouting meaningless slogans to support some goal that others make up for them. They are not part of the “Me Too” movement, or any or the urban mobs that rarely know what they are shouting about. You certainly wouldn’t find them disrespecting the members of a family out to dinner. While many of them know their elected representatives personally, you won’t find them as meaningless lemmings in a mob beating on the doors of rooms in buildings of our national capital, or, crassly interrupting Congressional meetings with meaningless exhibitions. These people primarily support President Trump because (even in his unique manner) he supports the basic values of our country. You also stated, “ . . . Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President . . . “ you seem to sincerely believe that President Trump is hurting some group within the United States, I really would like to know what group you are referring to. As with most things, he can do little without the support of Congress and if he is, I really would like to know about it. One other thing, strictly my opinion, but there does seem to be some attempting here to go after Mouse apparently based on the idea that she cannot know how things are here. I would have to disagree with that for two reasons, first, everything here gets written up in the news media and our televisions sources are as much available to people outside of our country as to those within the country. Moreover, in England they seem to have as much, or more, contention between various peoples and between the people and government, as we do, maybe more. A perspective from outside of our country can provide insight that we (being in the middle of things) are missing. Anyway, Annaj26, I do appreciate your posting to Mouse simply because it demonstrates quite clearly differing perspectives. And to be clear, I appreciate and find interesting the postings of Mouse, and Fret too for that matter. Men an tol, this is a rather strange post. You seem to think we (other posters) need your permission to post with mouse. that is not at all what he said, |
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Post by Dex on Oct 31, 2018 13:04:47 GMT -5
mouse, if you are talking about politics, both sides do NOT share responsibility. Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult. Push on with whatever you want to believe but don't claim you have the ability to empathize with Americans who are taking a real bashing from this President. It's different than what you are used to in the U. K.. I don't claim to empathise.. I actually do empathise...and yes both sides do share a responsibility ..whether you like it or not as for out siders not being able to understand...perhaps they do understand all too well... America is not presenting some thing new and unheard of.. its nothing not seen before..it may be new to Americans but its certainly not new in the world of politics """It's different than what you are used to in the U. K..""" no it isn't why would you even think that.. and its not different than anything Europe/UK has known... do be careful what you unleash... """"Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult.""" really so being less educated and less bright they are not entitled to vote unless they vote the way you want them too... really.. so you don't want an equal vote .. you want a vote where those who think like you win every time very eastern bloc... [be very careful what you wish for] ...and oddly enough you are also parroting the EU.. THE eu which has time after time made sovereign peoples vote and vote until the EU got the result they wanted...because they say those who voted against the brussels elite were not bright enough and not educated enough to understand The Trump followers who are not bright enough to keep themselves from sending package bombs or shoot up a near-dozen elderly Jews worshiping in their church - just because they thought Trump would approve - and definitely not bright. |
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Post by men an tol on Oct 31, 2018 14:07:53 GMT -5
I don't claim to empathise.. I actually do empathise...and yes both sides do share a responsibility ..whether you like it or not as for out siders not being able to understand...perhaps they do understand all too well... America is not presenting some thing new and unheard of.. its nothing not seen before..it may be new to Americans but its certainly not new in the world of politics """It's different than what you are used to in the U. K..""" no it isn't why would you even think that.. and its not different than anything Europe/UK has known... do be careful what you unleash... """"Trump's bunch are generally less bright and less well educated. They follow him slavishly, almost like a cult.""" really so being less educated and less bright they are not entitled to vote unless they vote the way you want them too... really.. so you don't want an equal vote .. you want a vote where those who think like you win every time very eastern bloc... [be very careful what you wish for] ...and oddly enough you are also parroting the EU.. THE eu which has time after time made sovereign peoples vote and vote until the EU got the result they wanted...because they say those who voted against the brussels elite were not bright enough and not educated enough to understand The Trump followers who are not bright enough to keep themselves from sending package bombs or shoot up a near-dozen elderly Jews worshiping in their church - just because they thought Trump would approve - and definitely not bright. Of course we don't count those who try to shoot Republicans at a ball game. The point is that crazy people are involved in all sorts of politics. Political personalities are not responsible for the acts of such people. To keep blaming the political personalities is as crazy as the violent acts of the crazies. |
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Post by beth on Oct 31, 2018 16:53:05 GMT -5
Of course we don't count those who try to shoot Republicans at a ballgame.
Of course we DO but that one example can't make up for the many others coming from the GOP side. Let's stand up against them all, make more effective gun laws and see whether someone can confince Trump to stop pushing violence in his rallies and interviews.
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Post by men an tol on Oct 31, 2018 20:27:02 GMT -5
Of course we don't count those who try to shoot Republicans at a ballgame. Of course we DO but that one example can't make up for the many others coming from the GOP side. Let's stand up against them all, make more effective gun laws and see whether someone can confince Trump to stop pushing violence in his rallies and interviews. I agree Beth that all such people leaning toward violence should be addressed when they do something violent. Toward that end we have to be realistic about what is going on. Yes, President Trump does say things in ways that are often loud, crude, and voicing his not liking the way some others talk about him. But others, are just as bad and often far more pushing of physical action. For example, Maxine Waters, I’m sure you have heard her voice physical action chasing those of other political points of view, and their families. Then there is Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton. Their styles of talking may be different but they are focused on getting people to over react and harass people, ‘and their families. Even so, should we blame them for the acts of crazies? I don’t believe that we should blame them as the cause for acts of crazies. Maybe you do since you blame President Trump for such acts and I’m guessing, you’d apply the same standards to those mentioned. |
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