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Post by annaj26 on Feb 26, 2018 13:47:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it isn't just one mental condition but a symptom of self-hate that shows itself in numerous guises. It does not take a professional to figure that out.
I got the impression you were being sarcastic and trying to undermine what Dex wrote, men an tol. I am not interested in discussing it with you, though. Let it go.
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Post by beth on Feb 26, 2018 20:16:35 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it isn't just one mental condition but a symptom of self-hate that shows itself in numerous guises. It does not take a professional to figure that out. I got the impression you were being sarcastic and trying to undermine what Dex wrote, men an tol. I am not interested in discussing it with you, though. Let it go. That's close to the way it looks to me. Not necessarily "self hate" but serious social problems. Teens who are not accepted by their peers during their formative years sometimes lean toward revenge. That can be a serious problem not easily solved. Most manage to struggle through it to comoe out okay on the other side. Some do not.
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Post by men an tol on Feb 26, 2018 21:42:38 GMT -5
When I was young a close friend of mine and a couple of years older, Gary, was smart, likable, but sometimes he would do strange things like enjoying shooting birds with a BB Gun. When he was 15 he took a shotgun from where the family had it stored and went to a strange neighborhood. It was dusk and he walked out of the dark to a man sitting on his porch.
Gary asked the man if the car in the driveway was his car, and the man said yes.
Gary then pointed the gun at him and told him to get the keys, they both got in the car and Gary told the man to head for Indiana. They did and shortly after they crossed the State line they had to stop for gas. Gary (in the back seat) lowered the gun so no one could see it and then the man turned around grabbed Gary and yelled for help.
The police came and arrested Gary and since they had crossed a State line it was a federal kidnapping charge. Gary was tried and found guilty but he was also examined by doctors and they determined that he was a schizophrenic. He was placed in a State mental institution and remained there for the rest of his life.
However, the point is that he had a mental problem or he never would have done the crime. In those years there was little or nothing they could do about it. Today, they can find such people before they do something and they can (in most cases) treat them.
The question is, how do we (society) look for such individuals? Once they are located how do we keep them from being violent?
It isn't just a matter or keeping guns out of their hands, as they can find other things to commit violence.
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Post by Jessiealan on Feb 27, 2018 1:16:50 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it isn't just one mental condition but a symptom of self-hate that shows itself in numerous guises. It does not take a professional to figure that out. I got the impression you were being sarcastic and trying to undermine what Dex wrote, men an tol. I am not interested in discussing it with you, though. Let it go. That's close to the way it looks to me. Not necessarily "self hate" but serious social problems. Teens who are not accepted by their peers during their formative years sometimes lean toward revenge. That can be a serious problem not easily solved. Most manage to struggle through it to comoe out okay on the other side. Some do not. All schools have bullies but they are not often the ones who show up with guns. The bullied are most likely to do that. Of course most of the bullied go on their way without violence. They either put it all behind them and restructure their lives, or they do not and remain insecure, lifelong. Just to reduce the chance of more shooters, if for no other reason, we need to discouraging bullying.
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Post by Jessiealan on Feb 27, 2018 1:26:25 GMT -5
It isn't just a matter or keeping guns out of their hands, as they can find other things to commit violence. Of course violence comes in various scenarios, but guns make it easier to carry out. Let's get rid of the "weapons of war" and eliminate that particular choice, at least. No sportsman "needs" high voltage repeating rifles. Make it necessary to have a license and make it a real accomplishment to get that license. The cheap and easy route is what has brought us to this impasse.
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Post by mouse on Feb 27, 2018 5:07:25 GMT -5
if you know they are bribed.. why vote for them ?.. the biigest shock to our so called representatives is when they expect to be returned and then either they are not of the numbers who vote for them are greatly reduced... its been my pleasure to watch some of ours reduced to almost speechlessness with shock I wish you all well with this struggle all I have heard from the other side ie pro gun for what ever reasons are excuses.. and not one of those excuses is valid for the people by the people... or.... for business and vested interests as enforced by business and vested interests A lot of people do speak out, mouse, but there's a lot that don't care a bit as long as they can buy and keep guns. That's the part of this country that's called the "gun culture". Do they care that kids get shot and killed? Of course they do, but they have a warped way of looking at it when it comes to the guns. sorry Dex I believe that they cannot care enough or they would back reasonable preventative methods ...on keeping weaponry safe
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Post by men an tol on Feb 27, 2018 10:50:41 GMT -5
It isn't just a matter or keeping guns out of their hands, as they can find other things to commit violence. Of course violence comes in various scenarios, but guns make it easier to carry out. Let's get rid of the "weapons of war" and eliminate that particular choice, at least. No sportsman "needs" high voltage repeating rifles. Make it necessary to have a license and make it a real accomplishment to get that license. The cheap and easy route is what has brought us to this impasse. Jessiealan I do understand your point of view and I believe that if it was a goal that was reached 100% you would be disappointed. The killings would continue. They would continue by other means which would increase and by guns which would still be obtainable, including those that people are referring to as the guns of war. The black market in guns would increase by large amounts. We do a very poor job of keeping things from being easily available in black markets. Even drugs being easily available in a prison environment. And I realize that here no one wants to hear this, but the Constitution stands as a protector of Individual Natural Rights and when the government begins to bar increasing types of guns, the Constitutional cases will come to the fore to halt such abuse of government over reach, but the civil law will increase against guns no matter the opinions of the Supreme Court. Sadly, none of this type of control of guns address the real problem and that is the mental illness of people wanting to kill. Neither does it address the reduction of ethics, morals and community responsibility that has risen as our nation has dropped such values. Nor will the appreciation of such values return to the people as those who have them become a smaller percentage of our people and are increasingly ridiculed. The fact is that a significant portion of our population will not give up their weapons and the black market manufacture of weapons will grow as with these draconian laws come into practice. And as a reaction, those who do not want the people to have guns will grow in resistance to guns. This is not about hunting or sport, rather this is about individual natural rights and in this case the individual natural right to ‘keep and bear arms.’ On this the court has spoken in two major cases and that right, that individual natural right, has been up held. Even so, the national discussion remains, how to remove guns from the individual and the national discussion remains how to control guns that an individual has in their possession. The Individual rights to keep and bear arms has been increasingly recognized by the courts and yet those against guns do not recognize those rights and seem to be so strongly against those rights that they disregard the actual reasons of mental health as the primary cause for violence.
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