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Post by annaj26 on Jul 17, 2017 14:29:20 GMT -5
Whining Over Winnie: Chinese Censors Bothered by Pooh  BEIJING — It would seem the Tao of Pooh has been lost on Chinese censors. Users of China’s popular messaging app WeChat and other social media this past weekend found that images and mentions of Winnie the Pooh had been scrubbed from their internet. On WeChat, a chat app that boasts over 768 million users, albums of gif images containing Winnie the Pooh — and his other friends from Pooh Corner like Piglet, Tigger and Eeyore — were removed from the app’s "sticker" site. No official explanation has been given for the removal, though a popular meme over the years that compares Chinese President Xi Jinping to the bear created by English author A.A. Milne has been blamed. In particular, images of President Xi Jinping meeting with former U.S. President Barrack Obama at the Sunnylands estate in California, 2013, which compared the two to Pooh and Tigger respectively, and another of President Xi and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe meeting in 2014 that portrayed Abe as Eeyore the sad donkey were wildly popular online.  A representative for Tencent, the developer of WeChat, contacted by NBC News declined to comment on the removal. Meanwhile, on China’s Twitter-like service, Weibo, the Chinese name for Winnie the Pooh, Wei Nixiong, was still searchable, but results that previously included numerous Xi/Pooh comparisons now have none of the popular memes. Searches for stories posted earlier on Chinese news portals about the scrubbing of Winnie the Pooh were also removed, though still passed around on Chinese social media. This latest move comes at a time of heightened censorship as the government in recent days has been already been censoring news regarding the recent death of noted Chinese human rights activist and 2010 Nobel Peace Prize winner, Liu Xiaobo. For many of China’s young netizens though, the blocking of a fairly innocuous, portly bear seemed extreme. “I think this is ridiculous,” one Chinese college student told NBC News on Monday. “The Chinese government is being overly sensitive.” “To ban Winnie because someone has compared him to Xi?” asked another student. "What the heck, give Pooh and President Xi a break!” www.nbcnews.com/news/world/whining-over-winnie-chinese-censors-bothered-pooh-n783641
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Post by annaj26 on Jul 17, 2017 14:31:00 GMT -5
Well how sensitive.
He wouldn't last 6 months withthe American or English press.
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Post by Dex on Jul 21, 2017 13:44:48 GMT -5
lolololo That's really pretty funny but I don't see it's an insult. If that was the worst politicians here suffer at the hand of the cartoonists, they'd be happy, I'll bet. Would the Chinese press dare to publish something like this?  |
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Post by annaj26 on Jul 21, 2017 15:25:13 GMT -5
There's a difference. They are not trying to insult, we are. Of course it's only the truth.  God bless our free press. |
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Post by mouse on Jul 22, 2017 5:34:37 GMT -5
yes theres a difference...but its in the two cultures.. nothing to do with ""God bless our free press""
its a general mistake to think the world all thinks the same way.. because it doesn't
infact many other cultures hold up their hands in horror at many of the cultural things which are acceptable in the west generally ..
and that can be fined down even more.. that some things in one part of Europe can be unacceptable in another part of Europe
its always a mistake to think others envy the west or wish to emulate the west because they don't..
they want the material goods the west has and that's about it..
they don't want the politics or even the so called freedoms.. they have their own cultures and norms which they are quite happy with in the main
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Post by annaj26 on Jul 22, 2017 18:58:22 GMT -5
We don't all HAVE to think the same way, mouse. The point is, their government can control the press/media and ours cannot, thank goodness.
Trump would like to change that but I don't think that will happen.
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Post by mouse on Jul 23, 2017 7:52:09 GMT -5
We don't all HAVE to think the same way, mouse. The point is, their government can control the press/media and ours cannot, thank goodness. Trump would like to change that but I don't think that will happen. we may not all have to think the same way but we do have to recognise the differences in cultures which do exist our [UK] press is controlled by several factions.. the owners of the various media outlets and our/the government when ever it wishes to exert its self.. don't forget the western media is in the hands of a few and if a government is has friends in that ownership then they can collude even if it cannot be proven... I sugest that even America has walls within walls etc etc just because there is an illusion of freedom.. it doesn't mean that there actually is total freedom in practise there are ways of gagging the press D notices which supossedly stop things not in the national interest and the stupid rule by which some one like Elton John or Peter Mandelshon can slam an ""injunction"" to stop him being named in our press as part of a three some or what ever one of the things so disliked about the internet by governments is the way news good or bad can speed around the world and they cannot control it |
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Post by Jessiealan on Jul 23, 2017 9:33:38 GMT -5
We don't all HAVE to think the same way, mouse. The point is, their government can control the press/media and ours cannot, thank goodness. Trump would like to change that but I don't think that will happen. we may not all HAVE to think the same way but we do HAVE to recognise the differences in cultures which do exist and not try to mesure apples with pears.. I can see why these two pictures would be seen as very offencive to the Chinese at any time and especially at the moment """"This latest move comes at a time of heightened censorship as the government in recent days has been already been censoring news regarding the recent death of noted Chinese human rights activist and 2010 Nobel Peace Prize winner, Liu Xiaobo. ..""" different cultures have different values our [UK] press is controlled by several factions.. the owners of the various media outlets and our/the government when ever it wishes to exert its self.. don't forget the western media is in the hands of a few and if a government is has friends in that ownership then they can collude even if it cannot be proven... I sugest that even America has walls within walls etc etc just because there is an illusion of freedom.. it doesn't mean that there actually is total freedom in practise there are ways of gagging the press D notices which supossedly stop things not in the national interest and the stupid rule by which some one like Elton John or Peter Mandelshon can slam an ""injunction"" to stop him being named in our press as part of a three some or what ever one of the things so disliked about the internet by governments is the way news good or bad can speed around the world and they cannot control it I think our "freedom of the press" may be different from yours, mouse and also the defamation laws. Here is more info that I hope makes it clearer. www.google.com/#q=constitution+U.+S.+freedom+olf+the+pressen.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law |
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Post by mouse on Jul 23, 2017 9:40:16 GMT -5
thanks for that Jessie I shall read it
but I was mainly concerned with the """Bless our free press""and trying to point out that not ALL cultures have or want the same standards
and that its easy to see why the Chinese would take offence at the pictures from winnie the pooh representing their leaders in a country where face and respect is terribly important
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Post by Jessiealan on Jul 23, 2017 9:52:26 GMT -5
thanks for that Jessie I shall read it but I was mainly concerned with the """Bless our free press""and trying to point out that not ALL cultures have or want the same standards and that its easy to see why the Chinese would take offence at the pictures from winnie the pooh representing their leaders in a country where face and respect is terribly important I see your point in regard to China, but I certainly echo, "Bless our Free Press". |
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Post by fretslider on Jul 23, 2017 14:39:57 GMT -5
Excellent, we have banned books in the loft!  |
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Post by mouse on Jul 24, 2017 4:08:22 GMT -5
thanks for that Jessie I shall read it but I was mainly concerned with the """Bless our free press""and trying to point out that not ALL cultures have or want the same standards and that its easy to see why the Chinese would take offence at the pictures from winnie the pooh representing their leaders in a country where face and respect is terribly important I see your point in regard to China, but I certainly echo, "Bless our Free Press". I wholly agree a free press is to be desired.. But the fact that a few companies own everything demonstrates "the illusion of choice," 90% OF THE American Media is owned by 6 companies...its a tad disconcerting isn't it.. imagine being out of step with those 6 .. uk.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6?r=US&IR=Twww.freepress.net/ownership/chartthey do appear to have it all tied up among them selves |
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Post by Dex on Jul 24, 2017 8:59:12 GMT -5
Some of those 6 are in competition. Then Murdoch owns Wall Street Journal and FOX, probably more. Every state has a few newspapers that report nationally and some globally. We just have a lot of press and media. |
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Post by mouse on Jul 24, 2017 9:12:24 GMT -5
ah yes.. the dazzling mr m....Murdoch has his finger on tooo much of the media and it simply isn't healthy for so few to have so much control over the media and the way the media is slanted the while remit of the BBC is that it should be impartial... but its nothing more than a left slanted gravey train today in the pocket of the EU Rieth must be turning in his grave on the face of it we too have a wide variety of media.. local papers in abundance .. but once you start digging many of those papers too are not individually owned but part of some corporate body same with TV channel after channel... its almost an all roads lead to Rome sort of thing I think any pretence that politions respected a free press and a free judicery in Europe died a few years ago one new years eve... when what people thought but couldn't prove finally became provable via the words of not only Merkel but other politos in Germany when they tried desperately to gag the press about the sexual attacks in Germany which it turned out were actually right across Europe .. and out of that attempt at gagging came the news of media and courts had told what to report and what not to report thus keeping the public in the dark I trust no Government regardless of whose ... not to interfere if its own interests are threatened ..
the only difference is that the goverments of the west are supposed to give a nod to democracy [of course they don't ]
where as in many other countries you don't expect a benign tollorant and fair government and are thus never disappointed
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