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Post by fretslider on Jun 9, 2017 6:33:11 GMT -5
The Saudi Arabian football team refused to line up and respect a silence held to remember the victims of the London Bridge attack, claiming “it is not in keeping with our culture”. The team was preparing to play Australia on Thursday morning, and as two Australian women had died in the Islamist attack last weekend, there was a minute’s silence planned in their honour. As it began, Saudi players stood in their playing position, instead of lining up, and those on the bench remained seated, refusing to stand in respect. Critics said the move was disrespectful and claimed it showed the Saudis could sympathise with the killers of non-Muslims. Others, however, said that Muslim respect the dead in their own way – by praying, giving to charity, and speak highly of the person – but rarely by observing a silence. The World Cup qualifier match ended in a 3-2 victory for Australia. Shia imam Sheikh Mohammad Tawhidi told the Mail the Saudi team’s decision not to participate was not about the practice being un-Islamic, but because the dead were non-Muslim. “[Muslims] regularly mourn over a person if a leader dies or if there is an attack of some kind,” he said. “They did not stop for a moment of silence because according to Wahhabi Islam – which governs Saudi Arabia – it is not wrong or a sin for a Muslim to kill a non-Muslim. In their eyes, the attackers are martyrs who are going to paradise. “If they stand for a minute of silence, they are against their Muslim brothers who fought for jihad and fought the ‘infidels’". He noted this may not be the personal view of every player within the team, but they would have been ‘ridiculed’ in Saudi Arabia had they commemorated the victims of the London terrorist attack. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4584294/Saudi-soccer-team-refuse-stand-London-victims.html#ixzz4jQNLKxbvRespect, eh. They demand that an awful lot. |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 9, 2017 6:47:19 GMT -5
The Saudi Arabian football team refused to line up and respect a silence held to remember the victims of the London Bridge attack, claiming “it is not in keeping with our culture”. The team was preparing to play Australia on Thursday morning, and as two Australian women had died in the Islamist attack last weekend, there was a minute’s silence planned in their honour. As it began, Saudi players stood in their playing position, instead of lining up, and those on the bench remained seated, refusing to stand in respect. Critics said the move was disrespectful and claimed it showed the Saudis could sympathise with the killers of non-Muslims. Others, however, said that Muslim respect the dead in their own way – by praying, giving to charity, and speak highly of the person – but rarely by observing a silence. The World Cup qualifier match ended in a 3-2 victory for Australia. Shia imam Sheikh Mohammad Tawhidi told the Mail the Saudi team’s decision not to participate was not about the practice being un-Islamic, but because the dead were non-Muslim. “[Muslims] regularly mourn over a person if a leader dies or if there is an attack of some kind,” he said. “They did not stop for a moment of silence because according to Wahhabi Islam – which governs Saudi Arabia – it is not wrong or a sin for a Muslim to kill a non-Muslim. In their eyes, the attackers are martyrs who are going to paradise. “If they stand for a minute of silence, they are against their Muslim brothers who fought for jihad and fought the ‘infidels’". He noted this may not be the personal view of every player within the team, but they would have been ‘ridiculed’ in Saudi Arabia had they commemorated the victims of the London terrorist attack. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4584294/Saudi-soccer-team-refuse-stand-London-victims.html#ixzz4jQNLKxbvRespect, eh. They demand that an awful lot. This should define the future quite clearly as these two cultures are not compatible. |
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Post by mouse on Jun 9, 2017 6:59:42 GMT -5
"""" it is not wrong or a sin for a Muslim to kill a non-Muslim."""
when is the west going to actually wake up.... the actualities are being laid out time after time and then rammed home via a knife4.. car.. bomb
it is permisable for a muslim to kill a non muslim.....a nonbeliever is expendable ....do not trust the soldiers of allah they lie through their teeth
all the talk of it being wrong to kill only applys to the killing of muslims
be aware that they followers of mohamed talk out of both sides of their mouths
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Post by fretslider on Jun 10, 2017 8:56:19 GMT -5
The Saudi Arabian football team refused to line up and respect a silence held to remember the victims of the London Bridge attack, claiming “it is not in keeping with our culture”. The team was preparing to play Australia on Thursday morning, and as two Australian women had died in the Islamist attack last weekend, there was a minute’s silence planned in their honour. As it began, Saudi players stood in their playing position, instead of lining up, and those on the bench remained seated, refusing to stand in respect. Critics said the move was disrespectful and claimed it showed the Saudis could sympathise with the killers of non-Muslims. Others, however, said that Muslim respect the dead in their own way – by praying, giving to charity, and speak highly of the person – but rarely by observing a silence. The World Cup qualifier match ended in a 3-2 victory for Australia. Shia imam Sheikh Mohammad Tawhidi told the Mail the Saudi team’s decision not to participate was not about the practice being un-Islamic, but because the dead were non-Muslim. “[Muslims] regularly mourn over a person if a leader dies or if there is an attack of some kind,” he said. “They did not stop for a moment of silence because according to Wahhabi Islam – which governs Saudi Arabia – it is not wrong or a sin for a Muslim to kill a non-Muslim. In their eyes, the attackers are martyrs who are going to paradise. “If they stand for a minute of silence, they are against their Muslim brothers who fought for jihad and fought the ‘infidels’". He noted this may not be the personal view of every player within the team, but they would have been ‘ridiculed’ in Saudi Arabia had they commemorated the victims of the London terrorist attack. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4584294/Saudi-soccer-team-refuse-stand-London-victims.html#ixzz4jQNLKxbvRespect, eh. They demand that an awful lot. This should define the future quite clearly as these two cultures are not compatible. Still, the superior culture won the game. |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 10, 2017 8:59:37 GMT -5
This should define the future quite clearly as these two cultures are not compatible. Still, the superior culture won the game. And again, Islam lost on the world stage as they demonstrated what they are actually about, Islam, only Islam, and every body must bow to Islam. |
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Post by beth on Jun 10, 2017 12:54:21 GMT -5
Still, the superior culture won the game. And again, Islam lost on the world stage as they demonstrated what they are actually about, Islam, only Islam, and every body must bow to Islam. and then, there are people like Kronks - the apologists. Sometimes it's hard to call a winner. |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 10, 2017 13:46:57 GMT -5
Kronks is an interesting case, he denies that he is a Muslim or an Islamic sympathizer even though he rewrites reality to support Islam. He even rewrites Islamic history to make it into what it is not. Islam is what they have in their foundation of the trilogy of the Qur’an, the Sunna, and the Hadith. For some there is also the Sira. Islam is not the mental meanderings of Kronks.
It seems that Kronks dislikes that which has arisen in Western Philosophy and even dislikes the history of the West that he rewrites actual history. What is his intent is unknowable as he distorts reality and will disavow meaning what he actually wrote.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 14:36:01 GMT -5
Kronks is an interesting case, he denies that he is a Muslim or an Islamic sympathizer even though he rewrites reality to support Islam. He even rewrites Islamic history to make it into what it is not. Islam is what they have in their foundation of the trilogy of the Qur’an, the Sunna, and the Hadith. For some there is also the Sira. Islam is not the mental meanderings of Kronks. It seems that Kronks dislikes that which has arisen in Western Philosophy and even dislikes the history of the West that he rewrites actual history. What is his intent is unknowable as he distorts reality and will disavow meaning what he actually wrote. Rather like 'Bill Warner' who apart from using a fictitious name has presented dozens of factually FALSE statements as being true because they suit his own anti-Muslim agenda. Extremists are all one, Randy; whether it is the religious right, the Salafist Muslims, the Hasidic Jews, the BJP in India, Nazis, leftniks or rightoids it is all one. All have a common objective of destroying freedom and making truth simply into what they believe. The mere fact that you presented 'Warner' as an 'authority' on Islam when you were well aware of his NUMEROUS errors of FACT - some literally on the same level of stupidity and carelessness as suggesting that the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1492, the Norman Conquest took place in 1066 - he did not make those PARTICULAR errors but he made ones equally as risible. He has as much credibility as a source as the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion! |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 10, 2017 15:11:08 GMT -5
Kronks is an interesting case, he denies that he is a Muslim or an Islamic sympathizer even though he rewrites reality to support Islam. He even rewrites Islamic history to make it into what it is not. Islam is what they have in their foundation of the trilogy of the Qur’an, the Sunna, and the Hadith. For some there is also the Sira. Islam is not the mental meanderings of Kronks. It seems that Kronks dislikes that which has arisen in Western Philosophy and even dislikes the history of the West that he rewrites actual history. What is his intent is unknowable as he distorts reality and will disavow meaning what he actually wrote. Rather like 'Bill Warner' who apart from using a fictitious name has presented dozens of factually FALSE statements as being true because they suit his own anti-Muslim agenda. Extremists are all one, Randy; whether it is the religious right, the Salafist Muslims, the Hasidic Jews, the BJP in India, Nazis, leftniks or rightoids it is all one. All have a common objective of destroying freedom and making truth simply into what they believe. The mere fact that you presented 'Warner' as an 'authority' on Islam when you were well aware of his NUMEROUS errors of FACT - some literally on the same level of stupidity and carelessness as suggesting that the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1492, the Norman Conquest took place in 1066 - he did not make those PARTICULAR errors but he made ones equally as risible. He has as much credibility as a source as the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion! What someone saying that the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1492 has to do with anything I don't know, however I believe that if you check again, Williams invasion of England 'was' in 1066 but it could be said that he was not secure until about 1072. As to Bill Waren (French), I'm always open to someone pointing to his errors, that is specifically defining them, then I'll only be too happy to ask him to explain or rectify his error. Randy |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 15:18:29 GMT -5
The point, Randy, is that 'Warner' is full of factual ERRORS.
He is totally UNTRUSWORTHY as a source.
He makes these ELEMENTARY mistakes for one of three reasons.
1 He is too lazy and slapdash to bother to check his facts.
2 He relies on others who are too lazy and spladash to check their facts or who deliberately feed him with FALSE facts.
3 He is deliberately LYING to further his agenda.
The fact that a man will post FALSE facts in support of his claims makes him unworthy and not deserving credence.
We can all make mistakes but to fail to admit and acknowledge them when they have been pointed out can only be the result of a conscious INTENTION to MISLEAD people by posting FALSE facts and pretending that they are true.
'Warner' is a proven liar.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 15:43:35 GMT -5
Kronks is an interesting case, he denies that he is a Muslim or an Islamic sympathizer even though he rewrites reality to support Islam. He even rewrites Islamic history to make it into what it is not. Islam is what they have in their foundation of the trilogy of the Qur’an, the Sunna, and the Hadith. For some there is also the Sira. Islam is not the mental meanderings of Kronks. It seems that Kronks dislikes that which has arisen in Western Philosophy and even dislikes the history of the West that he rewrites actual history. What is his intent is unknowable as he distorts reality and will disavow meaning what he actually wrote. Rather like 'Bill Warner' who apart from using a fictitious name has presented dozens of factually FALSE statements as being true because they suit his own anti-Muslim agenda. Extremists are all one, Randy; whether it is the religious right, the Salafist Muslims, the Hasidic Jews, the BJP in India, Nazis, leftniks or rightoids it is all one. All have a common objective of destroying freedom and making truth simply into what they believe. The mere fact that you presented 'Warner' as an 'authority' on Islam when you were well aware of his NUMEROUS errors of FACT - some literally on the same level of stupidity and carelessness as suggesting that the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1492, the Norman Conquest took place in 1066 - he did not make those PARTICULAR errors but he made ones equally as risible. He has as much credibility as a source as the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion! I'm not understanding why you lumped Hasidic Jews into an extremist pot....I've watched many documentaries on them, although they are strict, they don't demand outsiders follow them nor do they harm others for the sake of religion |
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Post by men an tol on Jun 10, 2017 16:35:12 GMT -5
The point, Randy, is that 'Warner' is full of factual ERRORS. He is totally UNTRUSWORTHY as a source. He makes these ELEMENTARY mistakes for one of three reasons. 1 He is too lazy and slapdash to bother to check his facts. 2 He relies on others who are too lazy and spladash to check their facts or who deliberately feed him with FALSE facts. 3 He is deliberately LYING to further his agenda. The fact that a man will post FALSE facts in support of his claims makes him unworthy and not deserving credence. We can all make mistakes but to fail to admit and acknowledge them when they have been pointed out can only be the result of a conscious INTENTION to MISLEAD people by posting FALSE facts and pretending that they are true. 'Warner' is a proven liar. Please Mike,provide those factual errors that Bill Warner (French) has made, without the specifics I cannot run anything down. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 17:37:41 GMT -5
You have obviously forgotten how I and my wife pointed them out to you on our site.
The simple FACT is that French alias Warner has made DOZENS of FALSE statements and is completely untrustworthy as a source.
His inaccuracies are so many and so absurdly, provably FALSE that he is obviously lying to further his own agenda.
I hope you will forgive me if I do not post again until around Tuesday; the birth of our third child is imminent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 17:39:29 GMT -5
Rather like 'Bill Warner' who apart from using a fictitious name has presented dozens of factually FALSE statements as being true because they suit his own anti-Muslim agenda. Extremists are all one, Randy; whether it is the religious right, the Salafist Muslims, the Hasidic Jews, the BJP in India, Nazis, leftniks or rightoids it is all one. All have a common objective of destroying freedom and making truth simply into what they believe. The mere fact that you presented 'Warner' as an 'authority' on Islam when you were well aware of his NUMEROUS errors of FACT - some literally on the same level of stupidity and carelessness as suggesting that the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1492, the Norman Conquest took place in 1066 - he did not make those PARTICULAR errors but he made ones equally as risible. He has as much credibility as a source as the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion! I'm not understanding why you lumped Hasidic Jews into an extremist pot....I've watched many documentaries on them, although they are strict, they don't demand outsiders follow them nor do they harm others for the sake of religion They believe that they are superior and they practice exclusivity. I have Jewish friends who have nothing but contempt for them. They regard them as racists, religious bigots and fanatics. As for the Israelis, they have an even GREATER contempt for them than Jews in the diaspora. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 17:46:24 GMT -5
Here, Randy, to refresh your memory, are some of the mistakes (lies?) Warner made that were pointed out to you and others on our forum.
1 Bill Warner is NOT his real name; his real name is Bill French. Why is he using a pseudonymn?
2 Mistake no 1 - attributing the fall of classical civilization (a dubious concept to begin with - it only really affected the people at the top of the Roman Empire and NOT the ordinary Joes and Josephines) to Islam - which did not even EXIST till two hundred years later - is so unbelievably stupid that the only RATIONAL conclusion is one of the following - he is sloppy and doesn't bother to check his facts; he has taken incorrect information as gospel; or he is deliberately lying.
To put it in a nutshell, 'classical civilization' fell in the middle 5th century. Two hundred years BEFORE Islam. What French is saying is literally as foolish as blaming Atahualpa for the American War of Independence, Wallenstein for the Franco-Prussian War, John Adams for the New Deal.
And so on and so on.
This is SO crass a mistake it really does beggar belief.
3 Mistake no 2 - (if possible, even MORE crass than no 1!) - shock, horror! The Germans (and if it comes to that the Romans) did NOT speak 'Roman.' They spoke Germanic tongues just as the Romans spoke Latin.
This really is a howler on the level of making 2 + 2 = 5.
4 Mistake no 3 - he claims Islam has no equivalent of the Ten Commandments which again shows that he is either a lazy idiot who can't do the most BASIC research, a brainwashed zombie who believes lies others tell him or else he is deliberately LYING himself.
As I posted in my reply (parts of which I wrote myself and other parts of which I cut and pasted from three other sites) the man is so incapable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality that he has ZERO credibility.
5 Definite LIE no 1 - He claims that 'Traffic cannot move in London streets as Muslims commandeer the streets to pray--a political result based on sharia law.'
As I said in my earlier reply, as someone who LIVES in London this is a downright LIE.
6 Definite LIE no 2 - He claims that 'In the schools, only Islamic approved texts can be used. This is based on sharia law.
As I said in my earlier post, this is a downright LIE.
7 Definite LIE no 3 - He claims that 'Christians may not speak to Muslims about Christianity, nor may they hand out literature. This is a political result based on sharia law enforced by British courts.'
As I posted earlier, that is yet ANOTHER of French alias Warner's downright, factual LIES.
8 Definite LIES nos 4 and 5- He claims that 'Rape by Muslims is so prevalent that Sweden has forbidden the police to collect any data in the investigation that would point to Islam. Rape is part of Islamic doctrine as applied to non-Muslim women.'
As I pointed out in my earlier post, rape is specifically CONDEMNED in the Quran (whether it's Muslim or non-Muslim women, so that is yet another LIE; secondly, Sweden has NOT forbidden the police to collect data about Muslim rapists. Yet another LIE - two LIES in one paragraph!
9 Definite LIE no 6 - He claims In London, mass demonstrations by Muslims call for the end of British law and sharia law to rule all people. This political action is based on sharia.
As for his claim about 'mass demonstrations' that is yet ANOTHER of his downright LIES. Unlike this clown, I LIVE in London and he's talking complete and utter rubbish.
10 Definite lie no 7 - He claims that 'In some English hospitals, during Ramadan fast (an Islamic religious event) non-Muslims cannot eat where a Muslim can see them. The submission of non-Muslims is based on sharia law.'
This is, no surprise, yet ANOTHER of his blatant LIES.
Which he compounds by making an ignorant comment about sharia law which shows that he does not even know the most BASIC aspects of it. So yet again he is simply factually WRONG.
I could go on (and if necessary I will) but I think those ten points are enough in themselves to show that Bill French alias Bill Warner has ZERO credibility as any kind of 'expert' on Islam.
Frankly, this is a man who is supposed to be a physicist.
If he turned in a scientific paper as full of elementary howlers, mistakes and downright lies he wouldn't just find it was REJECTED by the scientific community; he would be LAUGHED at.
I don't know if there's a male equivalent of the phrase 'brainless bimbo' but if there IS then Bill French alias Bill Warner certainly IS that equivalent!
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I have copied and pasted the original post by my wife pointing out these elementary errors of FACT by French alias Warner.
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