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Post by mouse on Sept 16, 2017 2:12:17 GMT -5
I thought I had posted on this yesterday but obviously not or I forgot to press reply
I think a direct yes or no is the only answer to the particular question under discussion ... """"Do you believe humans (Homo sapiens) is a species of animal. Or do you believe otherwise""
a yes or no answer would not necessarily hinder discussion because the reasoning behind the yes or no could/would be interesting be interesting given we reproduce and procreate and carry embryos and give birth in exactly the same way as most ainimals do it would point to us being just another species and given that every other form of life including plants and trees have the same/similar basic systems of seeding/fertilization before new growth can and reproduction can take place it becomes even more apparent we are species
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 18, 2017 0:03:35 GMT -5
It could go either way, depending on whether one is looking for a civil discussion or an argument. Or, it could be that both parties are trying to impress the other with what they know is right, but both appear to the other only as argumentative because there is no common ground of understanding on which to base a dialog. Hi Men an tol, I agree with what has been said on this thread. The name Satan does not seem to bother some people, but it bothers me. Even though ISIS is not shouting his name they are still doing his will. I hope that answers someone's question to their satisfaction?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 18, 2017 0:17:48 GMT -5
I thought I had posted on this yesterday but obviously not or I forgot to press reply I think a direct yes or no is the only answer to the particular question under discussion ... """"Do you believe humans (Homo sapiens) is a species of animal. Or do you believe otherwise"" a yes or no answer would not necessarily hinder discussion because the reasoning behind the yes or no could/would be interesting be interesting given we reproduce and procreate and carry embryos and give birth in exactly the same way as most ainimals do it would point to us being just another species and given that every other form of life including plants and trees have the same/similar basic systems of seeding/fertilization before new growth can and reproduction can take place it becomes even more apparent we are species Hi Mouse, You must know by now that even though the human body is composed of flesh, to me it is a tool for Soul so that it can learn what it needs to learn. We have the opportunity of having experiences that we wouldn't have otherwise. I for one am greatly appreciatative.
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Post by mouse on Sept 18, 2017 4:50:16 GMT -5
I thought I had posted on this yesterday but obviously not or I forgot to press reply I think a direct yes or no is the only answer to the particular question under discussion ... """"Do you believe humans (Homo sapiens) is a species of animal. Or do you believe otherwise"" a yes or no answer would not necessarily hinder discussion because the reasoning behind the yes or no could/would be interesting be interesting given we reproduce and procreate and carry embryos and give birth in exactly the same way as most ainimals do it would point to us being just another species and given that every other form of life including plants and trees have the same/similar basic systems of seeding/fertilization before new growth can and reproduction can take place it becomes even more apparent we are species Hi Mouse, You must know by now that even though the human body is composed of flesh, to me it is a tool for Soul so that it can learn what it needs to learn. We have the opportunity of having experiences that we wouldn't have otherwise. I for one am greatly appreciatative. so you still haven't answered the question .. so I presume its not a question which you can answer or don't want to answer so a different question given that man and animals reproduce by entirely the same method.. and are composed of flesh are animals also tools for soul
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 19, 2017 7:56:43 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, You must know by now that even though the human body is composed of flesh, to me it is a tool for Soul so that it can learn what it needs to learn. We have the opportunity of having experiences that we wouldn't have otherwise. I for one am greatly appreciatative. so you still haven't answered the question .. so I presume its not a question which you can answer or don't want to answer so a different question given that man and animals reproduce by entirely the same method.. and are composed of flesh are animals also tools for soul Hi Mouse, Animals are Soul too so ofcourse their body is a tool. They also have experiences.
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Post by men an tol on Sept 19, 2017 11:42:15 GMT -5
Or, it could be that both parties are trying to impress the other with what they know is right, but both appear to the other only as argumentative because there is no common ground of understanding on which to base a dialog. Hi Men an tol, I agree with what has been said on this thread. The name Satan does not seem to bother some people, but it bothers me. Even though ISIS is not shouting his name they are still doing his will. I hope that answers someone's question to their satisfaction? You are talking to the wrong person ScottishLassie. Being an Atheist relative to God makes me an Atheist relative to Satan. Now that Chefrmate51 is gone I suggest not turning your sights on me for a replacement.
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Post by annaj26 on Sept 19, 2017 12:15:54 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, I agree with what has been said on this thread. The name Satan does not seem to bother some people, but it bothers me. Even though ISIS is not shouting his name they are still doing his will. I hope that answers someone's question to their satisfaction? You are talking to the wrong person ScottishLassie. Being an Atheist relative to God makes me an Atheist relative to Satan. Now that Chefrmate51 is gone I suggest not turning your sights on me for a replacement. Chef can come back anytime she wants to, Men. I wouldn't count her out if I were you.
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Post by men an tol on Sept 19, 2017 13:01:51 GMT -5
You are talking to the wrong person ScottishLassie. Being an Atheist relative to God makes me an Atheist relative to Satan. Now that Chefrmate51 is gone I suggest not turning your sights on me for a replacement. Chef can come back anytime she wants to, Men. I wouldn't count her out if I were you. Anything is possible Anna. Right now she is very tired of being beat on and has found other things to do that for her seem more enjoyable.
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Post by beth on Sept 19, 2017 15:11:34 GMT -5
Chef can come back anytime she wants to, Men. I wouldn't count her out if I were you. Anything is possible Anna. Right now she is very tired of being beat on and has found other things to do that for her seem more enjoyable. Nobody was beating on her, Men an tol. I was simply trying to get her to stop beating on others and I believe Jessie sent her a scripture quote about being kinder to others. Funny how you got such a wrong impression.
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Post by men an tol on Sept 19, 2017 16:47:11 GMT -5
Anything is possible Anna. Right now she is very tired of being beat on and has found other things to do that for her seem more enjoyable. Nobody was beating on her, Men an tol. I was simply trying to get her to stop beating on others and I believe Jessie sent her a scripture quote about being kinder to others. Funny how you got such a wrong impression. Certainly we have a difference of perspective, however, I do not consider my words as wrong. All I can say is that, expecting a thread which has been set-aside for comments about people’s beliefs relative to religion to always remain calm, is not realistic. This is especially true when some postings do not fit the dogma of a religion, that is, taking some dogma and use it to support a different religion. That would be similar to using the Old Testament Abraham to support Buddhism. For example, when some posters may say that Islam is primarily focused on jihad, even pointing to surahs in the Qur’an, posters who are Muslims may get quite upset. Religion is a very personal part of one’s life and responses can be extreme in form. From this, at times postings can become near personal or even strongly personal as some postings may be considered as direct attacks on a religion. This becomes intense when such postings have no source supporting that initial allegation and so should be considered as personal opinion masquerading as verified sources. Even so, these postings can happen and all that has to occur is for the initial poster to point to a source or admit that they have none. But when the initial poster will simply continue with the initial assertion, things can deteriorate. While advising the use of appropriate language is reasonable, advising others who continue to lie without supportable assertions is at least as appropriate. Personally I do not see a problem or anything unexpected.
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Post by Jessiealan on Sept 19, 2017 19:48:07 GMT -5
I am sorry to have to burst your bubble, Men an tol, but I had been reading along in that thread and will tell you now (you too, Lin, since you think Men an tol's post is worth a thumbs up), neither Beth nor myself said anything that could be honestly described as "bashing". Shame on you for trying to suggest something like that.
Furthermore, what is your definition of a "lie"?
Websters says the same thing I know to be correct.
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth. [/i]
Take particular note of the words "deliberate intent" and "intentional untruth".
If someone passes along incorrect information they believe to be true, it is not a lie. It is probably a misunderstanding, though it can denote a system of belief.
So, if someone tells you about religious convictions they believe in, that is not a lie. It is something they hold to be true, whether it is your own belief or not.
Try to understand what you are talking about before you throw around accusations.
If nothing else, 26 years teaching school gave me an understanding of the English language.
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Post by beth on Sept 20, 2017 0:09:18 GMT -5
Thank you, Jessie. If some of you can't post in a Religion thread without waging personal attacks on those who have beliefs different from your own, you shouldn't be posting here. It's alright to tell them you think they are wrong or to point out how your belief differs, but the bullying, shaming and damning needs to stop. If it causes you emotional pain to read what others think, try to find a way around that. If you are not emotionally involved but use this part of the board to wage attack on members you don't like, stop now and find other topics. There are many to choose from. Peace.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 20, 2017 1:26:24 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, I agree with what has been said on this thread. The name Satan does not seem to bother some people, but it bothers me. Even though ISIS is not shouting his name they are still doing his will. I hope that answers someone's question to their satisfaction? You are talking to the wrong person ScottishLassie. Being an Atheist relative to God makes me an Atheist relative to Satan. Now that Chefrmate51 is gone I suggest not turning your sights on me for a replacement. Hi Men an tol, I do not believe that there is any animosity simmering in the background. Chefmate51 professes her caring at all times, that is just her belief. My belief is different, so it is a case of 'never the twain shall meet'. I care about everyone too, and I believe that we will all be judged by the Man Upstairs, come what may.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 20, 2017 1:34:21 GMT -5
Thank you, Jessie. If some of you can't post in a Religion thread without waging personal attacks on those who have beliefs different from your own, you shouldn't be posting here. It's alright to tell them you think they are wrong or to point out how your belief differs, but the bullying, shaming and damning needs to stop. If it causes you emotional pain to read what others think, try to find a way around that. If you are not emotionally involved but use this part of the board to wage attack on members you don't like, stop now and find other topics. There are many to choose from. Peace. Hi Beth, I have broad shoulders so it is not bothering me too much. May the Force be with you. LOL.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 20, 2017 1:54:51 GMT -5
Nobody was beating on her, Men an tol. I was simply trying to get her to stop beating on others and I believe Jessie sent her a scripture quote about being kinder to others. Funny how you got such a wrong impression. Certainly we have a difference of perspective, however, I do not consider my words as wrong. All I can say is that, expecting a thread which has been set-aside for comments about people’s beliefs relative to religion to always remain calm, is not realistic. This is especially true when some postings do not fit the dogma of a religion, that is, taking some dogma and use it to support a different religion. That would be similar to using the Old Testament Abraham to support Buddhism. For example, when some posters may say that Islam is primarily focused on jihad, even pointing to surahs in the Qur’an, posters who are Muslims may get quite upset. Religion is a very personal part of one’s life and responses can be extreme in form. From this, at times postings can become near personal or even strongly personal as some postings may be considered as direct attacks on a religion. This becomes intense when such postings have no source supporting that initial allegation and so should be considered as personal opinion masquerading as verified sources. Even so, these postings can happen and all that has to occur is for the initial poster to point to a source or admit that they have none. But when the initial poster will simply continue with the initial assertion, things can deteriorate. While advising the use of appropriate language is reasonable, advising others who continue to lie without supportable assertions is at least as appropriate. Personally I do not see a problem or anything unexpected. Hi Men an tol, As far as I am aware God is LOVE, so that should fill the hearts of all those who love God otherwise they are psuedo Christians. Real Christians need to have broad shoulders as we should all have anyway. It pays off in the end, don't you think?
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