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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 22:17:17 GMT -5
Nine Constitutions. You really like shoving it in, Randy. So what is it? People want jobs or people want free stuff? Or white guys want jobs and Blacks, Browns, and Muslims want fee stuff? Ariel, it is clear that you do not read with comprehension and that your sole purpose is as a provocateur. I second Mike's comments and add that there is no reason to answer you at all. I actually probably read more carefully than most people, and I also read subtext. You talk about jobs and you talk about free stuff. Which is it? How long winded can you get for a simple idea? You are a self-appointed expert on The Constitution. I don't agree with your assessment of it. Perhaps I am tapping into an uncomfortable nerve.
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Post by Sysop3 on Nov 26, 2016 22:58:47 GMT -5
Chef, I truly hope the time doesn't come when your chuckling turns to distress. That's an important point, Randy. But, from where I sit, it seems strange that the Constitution would block the federal government from assisting for good reason. Maybe they believed future Americans would have the wisdom and foresight to make changes to suit the situations as they arose. You really misinterpreted the Constitution and the intent of the Founders. It establiished the national government for very specific functions. It do not stop any State singularly or in any groups from doing such things. This is not meant to be a country run by a singular government, rather it is a union of (then 13) 50 States which have assigned through the Constitution very specifically assigned functions. If you want a singular government controlling everything there are several other countries which operat just that way, but not here, at least not yet. Traditionally, government at the state level does not like to spend revenue on benefits or health care. They seem to like to finance showier projects for the state as a whole - not for the citizens in need. Some states are worse than others and that creates a lack of balance. When benefits are provided through the federal government things run smoother and more equally. By "singular government controlling everything", are you talking about the U. K. and Canada?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 26, 2016 23:30:08 GMT -5
Chef, I truly hope the time doesn't come when your chuckling turns to distress. That's an important point, Randy. But, from where I sit, it seems strange that the Constitution would block the federal government from assisting for good reason. Maybe they believed future Americans would have the wisdom and foresight to make changes to suit the situations as they arose. You really misinterpreted the Constitution and the intent of the Founders. It establiished the national government for very specific functions. It do not stop any State singularly or in any groups from doing such things. This is not meant to be a country run by a singular government, rather it is a union of (then 13) 50 States which have assigned through the Constitution very specifically assigned functions. If you want a singular government controlling everything there are several other countries which operat just that way, but not here, at least not yet. Hi Men an tol, I'm personally tired of hearing about the Constitution. SCRAP IT.!!! ASAP. WHEW.!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 23:32:10 GMT -5
You really misinterpreted the Constitution and the intent of the Founders. It establiished the national government for very specific functions. It do not stop any State singularly or in any groups from doing such things. This is not meant to be a country run by a singular government, rather it is a union of (then 13) 50 States which have assigned through the Constitution very specifically assigned functions. If you want a singular government controlling everything there are several other countries which operat just that way, but not here, at least not yet. Hi Men an tol, I'm personally tired of hearing about the Constitution. SCRAP IT.!!! ASAP. WHEW.!!! Read other posts or otherwise be quiet and you might learn something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 23:39:51 GMT -5
Chef, I truly hope the time doesn't come when your chuckling turns to distress. That's an important point, Randy. But, from where I sit, it seems strange that the Constitution would block the federal government from assisting for good reason. Maybe they believed future Americans would have the wisdom and foresight to make changes to suit the situations as they arose. Why would my chuckling turn to distress? I simply observed most of us babbled on about who should get heathcare while Randy pointed out the obvious...we all have agreed everyone needs healthcare but none of us has discussed how to make that happen. It was funny to me how most of us missed the forest for the trees in coming up with a solution that fits all needs. It's that simple.
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Post by Sysop3 on Nov 26, 2016 23:48:09 GMT -5
Chef, I truly hope the time doesn't come when your chuckling turns to distress. That's an important point, Randy. But, from where I sit, it seems strange that the Constitution would block the federal government from assisting for good reason. Maybe they believed future Americans would have the wisdom and foresight to make changes to suit the situations as they arose. Why would my chuckling turn to distress? I simply observed most of us babbled on about who should get heathcare while Randy pointed out the obvious...we all have agreed everyone needs healthcare but none of us has discussed how to make that happen. It was funny to me how most of us missed the forest for the trees in coming up with a solution that fits all needs. It's that simple. Here's what's not funny, Chef. We have medicare and medicaid in place right now. It works pretty well. The Republicans want to tear it down and do away with it. Why wreck what we already have? I understand the insurance companies' profit lines have a lot to do with it. That's not funny. Everybody may want all to have health care but those now in power want it to get out of the way of their share of the wealth
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 26, 2016 23:50:06 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, I'm personally tired of hearing about the Constitution. SCRAP IT.!!! ASAP. WHEW.!!! Read other posts or otherwise be quiet and you might learn something. I have learned enough thankyou, I'm certainly not going to learn from you when all is said and done. You are warned in the Bible about the fact that people in authority should be of good character and you go and VOTE for someone of ill repute. Very intelligent I must say.!!! Just as I said " I won't learn much from you." TRULY.!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:22:52 GMT -5
Why would my chuckling turn to distress? I simply observed most of us babbled on about who should get heathcare while Randy pointed out the obvious...we all have agreed everyone needs healthcare but none of us has discussed how to make that happen. It was funny to me how most of us missed the forest for the trees in coming up with a solution that fits all needs. It's that simple. Here's what's not funny, Chef. We have medicare and medicaid in place right now. It works pretty well. The Republicans want to tear it down and do away with it. Why wreck what we already have? I understand the insurance companies' profit lines have a lot to do with it. That's not funny. Everybody may want all to have health care but those now in power want it to get out of the way of their share of the wealth How many times must I state I was NOT laughing at the situation but at the fact no one except Men realized we were not offering solutions about a workable healthcare system but just talking about who should be included.
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Post by men an tol on Nov 27, 2016 0:33:44 GMT -5
Why would my chuckling turn to distress? I simply observed most of us babbled on about who should get heathcare while Randy pointed out the obvious...we all have agreed everyone needs healthcare but none of us has discussed how to make that happen. It was funny to me how most of us missed the forest for the trees in coming up with a solution that fits all needs. It's that simple. Here's what's not funny, Chef. We have medicare and medicaid in place right now. It works pretty well. The Republicans want to tear it down and do away with it. Why wreck what we already have? I understand the insurance companies' profit lines have a lot to do with it. That's not funny. Everybody may want all to have health care but those now in power want it to get out of the way of their share of the wealth Your point of view has been understood Sysop3. Others have been posting varying versions of it. Some of us have a different point of view. We actually consider that there are other ways to provide that healthcare and that some in congress are working to do just that. I realize that you and others will not consider such a possibility and it appears that you prefer believing in a conspiracy theory to take advantage of the poor just to make money. It may be that some wish to develop a healthcare system that serves all and does not minimize individual freedoms nor place the federal government in the position of going against the Constitution. That is a strange (at least to me) position for you to take, that is believing that having our government follow the Constitution is somehow wrong and detrimental to the people. It appears that simply because the election didn’t go your way, now you would rather see the country torn apart.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:38:36 GMT -5
Read other posts or otherwise be quiet and you might learn something. I have learned enough thankyou, I'm certainly not going to learn from you when all is said and done. You are warned in the Bible about the fact that people in authority should be of good character and you go and VOTE for someone of ill repute. Very intelligent I must say.!!! Just as I said " I won't learn much from you." TRULY.!!! The bible is addressing men who will hold authority in the local church body, it has nothing to do with electing officials. I believe Hillary is dirtier than Trump will ever be and he doesn't have the blood of four men at Benghazi on his hands. As usual, you are trying to twist scripture and failing miserably.
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Post by men an tol on Nov 27, 2016 0:44:53 GMT -5
Read other posts or otherwise be quiet and you might learn something. I have learned enough thankyou, I'm certainly not going to learn from you when all is said and done. You are warned in the Bible about the fact that people in authority should be of good character and you go and VOTE for someone of ill repute. Very intelligent I must say.!!! Just as I said " I won't learn much from you." TRULY.!!! Scottish Lassie, so your tired of hearing about the Constitution of the United States. Well, I will agree and think you would be better served remaining in your contrived shell of EKANKAR. Really, I personally don’t care if you are tired of it or not. I think that you should return and read more in the Bible because you certainly learned from it how to be that person of good character. Your words drip with the distaste for other people and in particular people who you do not know nor are they people who have done you wrong. I would suggest that you take some of your own advice and look inward.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 2:09:33 GMT -5
Here's what's not funny, Chef. We have medicare and medicaid in place right now. It works pretty well. The Republicans want to tear it down and do away with it. Why wreck what we already have? I understand the insurance companies' profit lines have a lot to do with it. That's not funny. Everybody may want all to have health care but those now in power want it to get out of the way of their share of the wealth Your point of view has been understood Sysop3. Others have been posting varying versions of it. Some of us have a different point of view. We actually consider that there are other ways to provide that healthcare and that some in congress are working to do just that. I realize that you and others will not consider such a possibility and it appears that you prefer believing in a conspiracy theory to take advantage of the poor just to make money. It may be that some wish to develop a healthcare system that serves all and does not minimize individual freedoms nor place the federal government in the position of going against the Constitution. That is a strange (at least to me) position for you to take, that is believing that having our government follow the Constitution is somehow wrong and detrimental to the people. It appears that simply because the election didn’t go your way, now you would rather see the country torn apart. What other ways, Randy? How does the CONSTITUTION deny healthcare for the population? Why should big-business be calling the shots and how is this a better solution?
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Post by beth on Nov 27, 2016 2:19:17 GMT -5
I have learned enough thankyou, I'm certainly not going to learn from you when all is said and done. You are warned in the Bible about the fact that people in authority should be of good character and you go and VOTE for someone of ill repute. Very intelligent I must say.!!! Just as I said " I won't learn much from you." TRULY.!!! The bible is addressing men who will hold authority in the local church body, it has nothing to do with electing officials. I believe Hillary is dirtier than Trump will ever be and he doesn't have the blood of four men at Benghazi on his hands. As usual, you are trying to twist scripture and failing miserably. Ladies, please get back on topic or take yourselves off to the Religion threads. Thank you in advance.
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Post by beth on Nov 27, 2016 2:29:26 GMT -5
Here's what's not funny, Chef. We have medicare and medicaid in place right now. It works pretty well. The Republicans want to tear it down and do away with it. Why wreck what we already have? I understand the insurance companies' profit lines have a lot to do with it. That's not funny. Everybody may want all to have health care but those now in power want it to get out of the way of their share of the wealth Your point of view has been understood Sysop3. Others have been posting varying versions of it. Some of us have a different point of view. We actually consider that there are other ways to provide that healthcare and that some in congress are working to do just that. I realize that you and others will not consider such a possibility and it appears that you prefer believing in a conspiracy theory to take advantage of the poor just to make money. It may be that some wish to develop a healthcare system that serves all and does not minimize individual freedoms nor place the federal government in the position of going against the Constitution. That is a strange (at least to me) position for you to take, that is believing that having our government follow the Constitution is somehow wrong and detrimental to the people. It appears that simply because the election didn’t go your way, now you would rather see the country torn apart. I didn't read Sys3s post that way at all, Randy. It reads to me like he's talking about politicians who serve their masters .. not about the Constitution. I know you must feel like you've been put on the defensive on this subject. It's a rather emotional POV when people believe family members or friends or others they feel compassion for are going to be badly hurt by a particular situation. I agree with you that we need to engage in being well informed and taking our concerns to the right people. It's impossible to expect you to have a good working knowledge of each and every state. Maybe we should all take a break, get some more information, process it, then come back and try this discussion again.
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Post by mouse on Nov 27, 2016 4:59:13 GMT -5
You really misinterpreted the Constitution and the intent of the Founders. It establiished the national government for very specific functions. It do not stop any State singularly or in any groups from doing such things. This is not meant to be a country run by a singular government, rather it is a union of (then 13) 50 States which have assigned through the Constitution very specifically assigned functions. If you want a singular government controlling everything there are several other countries which operat just that way, but not here, at least not yet. Hi Men an tol, I'm personally tired of hearing about the Constitution. SCRAP IT.!!! ASAP. WHEW.!!! look in the mirror SL and take note of your own words Men has as much right to post as has every one else...that is the essence of freedom ...
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