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Post by annaj26 on Nov 23, 2016 13:15:35 GMT -5
Seniors Would Lose With Ryan's Medicare PlanThe Republicans’ pledge to dismantle and eventually replace the Affordable Care Act has been getting considerable attention in the wake of President-elect Donald Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton. But once the new GOP-controlled Congress takes action in January, there could be plenty more fireworks when Republican leaders turn their attention to Medicare, the popular but pricey health care program serving 57 million seniors. Medicare, created in the mid-1960s to guarantee health care coverage for seniors and retirees, is a complex system that includes Part A for hospital insurance, Part B for doctor and medical insurance, private plans called Medicare Advantage, and the Part D subsidized prescription drug plan. The government spent a total of $648 billion on Medicare in 2015. And while the Medicare trust funds are relatively solvent for the time being, Medicare Part A which is dependent on payroll taxes will be “depleted” by 2028 unless the government intervenes, according to a trustees’ report. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) claims that the system is going “broke” and is leading a renewed charge to overhaul Medicare as part of a larger GOP strategy to slow the rate of growth of entitlement programs and avert major debt problems down the line. He calls his plan, unveiled in June, “A Better Way.” Key elements include raising the age of eligibility from 65 to 67; merging Medicare Part A and B, including the premiums and deductibles; and gradually privatizing the system with government-issued vouchers or “premium supports” to defray the cost of insurance policies purchased by seniors on the open market. “Medicare . . . by many measures has served seniors successfully since the 1960s by providing access to health care for millions and contributing to longer life expectancies,” Ryan wrote. “Despite these successes, the program faces notable challenges, including a complex financial structure and projected spending growth that make the program unsustainable for the long term.” But his plan has already begun to draw sharp opposition from an array of groups and critics, including AARP and other seniors’ advocacy organizations, labor unions, veterans, liberal think tanks and policy experts. If you have any concern at all for the health care of U.S. seniors, go here and read the rest of this article. Then use search engines and do your own research. It's pretty grim. Paul Ryan should be impeached.www.msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/one-expert-says-seniors-would-lose-with-ryans-medicare-plan/ar-AAkELrp?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5
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Post by Jessiealan on Nov 23, 2016 14:20:05 GMT -5
You have put that up before, Chefmate. If you want to trust him it is your decision. But, from everything I have read and people I have talked with about this, thry str syyrmpyinh yo lrsf you astray. They will lie like dogs to cut medicare. AARP is now objecting to Ryan's plans and my doctor tells me to speak out against it if I have a chance. 35% of his patients are seniors and he is anxious about their welfare.
Or, believe what ever you want until the bottom falls out. You will pay the price along with the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 15:52:22 GMT -5
You have put that up before, Chefmate. If you want to trust him it is your decision. But, from everything I have read and people I have talked with about this, thry str syyrmpyinh yo lrsf you astray. They will lie like dogs to cut medicare. AARP is now objecting to Ryan's plans and my doctor tells me to speak out against it if I have a chance. 35% of his patients are seniors and he is anxious about their welfare. Or, believe what ever you want until the bottom falls out. You will pay the price along with the rest of us. I am aware I posted it before but only wanted people to see the other side. My faith is not placed in government programs. Plus I live in California where my Medicare part b is paid for by the state.
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Post by beth on Nov 23, 2016 16:33:27 GMT -5
You have put that up before, Chefmate. If you want to trust him it is your decision. But, from everything I have read and people I have talked with about this, thry str syyrmpyinh yo lrsf you astray. They will lie like dogs to cut medicare. AARP is now objecting to Ryan's plans and my doctor tells me to speak out against it if I have a chance. 35% of his patients are seniors and he is anxious about their welfare. Or, believe what ever you want until the bottom falls out. You will pay the price along with the rest of us. I am aware I posted it before but only wanted people to see the other side. My faith is not placed in government programs. Plus I live in California where my Medicare part b is paid for by the state. So then, as long as you're covered, what happens to other people isn't of much interest to you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 19:48:51 GMT -5
I am aware I posted it before but only wanted people to see the other side. My faith is not placed in government programs. Plus I live in California where my Medicare part b is paid for by the state. So then, as long as you're covered, what happens to other people isn't of much interest to you? that's a very broad and wrong assumption to lay on me. there is no sense worrying until it is brought before the House and Senate so we can see what is going to be proposed....until then it's all conjecture plus we have to see if President Trump will keep his word about not tampering with social security amd medicare. At this point, we have alot of postering and snorting like a field of bulls....I refuse to give in to fear for the future knowing the One who holds the future
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Post by Sysop3 on Nov 23, 2016 19:57:23 GMT -5
So then, as long as you're covered, what happens to other people isn't of much interest to you? that's a very broad and wrong assumption to lay on me. there is no sense worrying until it is brought before the House and Senate so we can see what is going to be proposed....until then it's all conjecture plus we have to see if President Trump will keep his word about not tampering with social security amd medicare. At this point, we have alot of postering and snorting like a field of bulls....I refuse to give in to fear for the future knowing who holds it. I thought at the time Trump gave a trick answer of sorts on that one. He probably won't be the one doing the tampering. It will be Paul Ryan and Congress. The only thing Trump can do is veto. Would he? I seriously doubt it. If we wait around to see, it will be too late.
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Post by beth on Nov 24, 2016 11:20:41 GMT -5
Unless vocal and influential groups and people stand up and hold the Republican representatives and senators feet to the fire, Ryan will have his way. It all depends on whether they take the money from the lobbyists or lock in votes from their constituents.
The poor fools who voted for Trump and will suffer the results have nobody else to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 14:41:41 GMT -5
Unless vocal and influential groups and people stand up and hold the Republican representatives and senators feet to the fire, Ryan will have his way. It all depends on whether they take the money from the lobbyists or lock in votes from their constituents. The poor fools who voted for Trump and will suffer the results have nobody else to blame. I, and many others who voted for Pres. Trump, resent being called "poor fools". What evil has bred in America that people just have to name call especially if one disagrees with popular opinion? Anyway, all we can do is wait until Congress takes action on healthcare and then write to let our feelings known....until then, we start divisions over nothing but conjecture and the sky is falling attitude.
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Post by beth on Nov 24, 2016 15:48:09 GMT -5
Apologies, Chef, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular but I stand by my post. People who's lives will be negatively affected by lose of health care made a foolish move in voting for Trump.
I fear letting your Congressman know you don't approve, at the last minute, won't be enough. As many people as possible need to write the letters and make the phone calls early on - before the bill is written! Too much depends on it to be casual.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 21:42:30 GMT -5
Apologies, Chef, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular but I stand by my post. People who's lives will be negatively affected by lose of health care made a foolish move in voting for Trump. I fear letting your Congressman know you don't approve, at the last minute, won't be enough. As many people as possible need to write the letters and make the phone calls early on - before the bill is written! Too much depends on it to be casual. I see the point you are making....people need to be involved and I won't deny that...each should do what is of concern to them.
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Post by mouse on Nov 25, 2016 4:49:52 GMT -5
Apologies, Chef, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular but I stand by my post. People who's lives will be negatively affected by lose of health care made a foolish move in voting for Trump. I fear letting your Congressman know you don't approve, at the last minute, won't be enough. As many people as possible need to write the letters and make the phone calls early on - before the bill is written! Too much depends on it to be casual. your elected are there to SERVE you and your best interests ...not big bussines or insurance firms ... you employ them...not the other way around all strength to your collective elbows
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Post by Dex on Nov 25, 2016 10:29:38 GMT -5
Apologies, Chef, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular but I stand by my post. People who's lives will be negatively affected by lose of health care made a foolish move in voting for Trump. I fear letting your Congressman know you don't approve, at the last minute, won't be enough. As many people as possible need to write the letters and make the phone calls early on - before the bill is written! Too much depends on it to be casual. your elected are there to SERVE you and your best interests ...not big bussines or insurance firms ... you employ them...not the other way around all strength to your collective elbows Would be nice but that's not the way it works.
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Post by mouse on Nov 25, 2016 10:45:52 GMT -5
then make sure it does work...they want to be re elected...if enough kick up a fuss...it really does work
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Post by beth on Nov 25, 2016 11:30:20 GMT -5
then make sure it does work...they want to be re elected...if enough kick up a fuss...it really does work That's my hope. If the voters let them know, they might pay attention rather than risk being voted out of office. But, we have a situation here with Republican voters - 1) they have trouble believing Trump would let that happen after promising to lay off Medicare. However, he really doesn't control Congress at all. He *could* veto a bill, but they could then over-ride it. I don't think they are all corrupt but they would be under a lot of pressure from a combination of the insurance companies and their fellow Congressmen who may have less pressure from their constituency. (It really is a tangled web).. and 2. Good people waiting for "proof" their elected officials would do something like that to them. Of course, it's going to be decorated and disguised as something appealing. A lot of folks will accept that and fail to see it for what it really is until it's too late. Suggestion - Keep an eye on what people in the medical and health care communities are rsaying. MSM may not give them as much attention as the lawmakers (politicians), but most of them will speak truth to power.
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