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Post by Jessiealan on Nov 25, 2016 11:54:40 GMT -5
What evil has bred in America that people just have to name call especially if one disagrees with popular opinion? Anyway, all we can do is wait until Congress takes action on healthcare and then write to let our feelings known....until then, we start divisions over nothing but conjecture and the sky is falling attitude. You think "name calling" is the big evil? Perhaps it is simply what is necessary to get the attention of the fools who, as my father used to say, would gag at a gnat and swallow a camel.
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Post by mouse on Nov 25, 2016 13:17:05 GMT -5
then you go for the insurance companies...why would any one trust companies who stand to gain by NOT having medicare...and pull your representatives up over absolutely every thing they say and do even their life style if questionable..afterall you pay them..so they should dance to your tune....NOT the other way around make them answerable to you the voters...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 13:22:29 GMT -5
Apologies, Chef, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular but I stand by my post. People who's lives will be negatively affected by lose of health care made a foolish move in voting for Trump. I fear letting your Congressman know you don't approve, at the last minute, won't be enough. As many people as possible need to write the letters and make the phone calls early on - before the bill is written! Too much depends on it to be casual. your elected are there to SERVE you and your best interests ...not big bussines or insurance firms ... you employ them...not the other way around all strength to your collective elbows That went out the window like dirty bathwater but people are waking up to the mess we've allowed and are trying to fix the system.
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Post by beth on Nov 25, 2016 13:25:11 GMT -5
your elected are there to SERVE you and your best interests ...not big bussines or insurance firms ... you employ them...not the other way around all strength to your collective elbows That went out the window like dirty bathwater but people are waking up to the mess we've allowed and are trying to fix the system. I hope you're right, Chef .. I really do. So far, it looks like they are choosing a rather strange crew for the clean-up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 13:27:17 GMT -5
then you go for the insurance companies...why would any one trust companies who stand to gain by NOT having medicare...and pull your representatives up over absolutely every thing they say and do even their life style if questionable..afterall you pay them..so they should dance to your tune....NOT the other way around make them answerable to you the voters... We need term limits on national offices...way to many feed off the government teat and feather their nest quite nicely and I don't believe our founding fathers meant for that to happen with the politicians. People fuss about welfare users but forget politicians are sucking the system also.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 13:32:00 GMT -5
That went out the window like dirty bathwater but people are waking up to the mess we've allowed and are trying to fix the system. I hope you're right, Chef .. I really do. So far, it looks like they are choosing a rather strange crew for the clean-up. Then people need to write, make phone calls and form groups that can be heard. Do you think we have ended up dividing instead of uniting?
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Post by beth on Nov 25, 2016 13:39:07 GMT -5
I hope you're right, Chef .. I really do. So far, it looks like they are choosing a rather strange crew for the clean-up. Then people need to write, make phone calls and form groups that can be heard. Do you think we have ended up dividing instead of uniting? Agreed. I don't know, Chef. I think it's too soon to tell. Today, Trump is claiming he has convinced Carrier to stay in Indiana instead of moving out of the country. When asked, Carrier reps said, "no comment". If he does end up convincing them, MSM is going to want the details. Me, too.
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Post by beth on Nov 25, 2016 13:42:18 GMT -5
then you go for the insurance companies...why would any one trust companies who stand to gain by NOT having medicare...and pull your representatives up over absolutely every thing they say and do even their life style if questionable..afterall you pay them..so they should dance to your tune....NOT the other way around make them answerable to you the voters... We need term limits on national offices...way to many feed off the government teat and feather their nest quite nicely and I don't believe our founding fathers meant for that to happen with the politicians. People fuss about welfare users but forget politicians are sucking the system also. Good luck with the term limits. That's always been a good idea that's never gotten anywhere. Oh sure they do. Apparently, several of them are now "looking forward" to resuming pork barrel projects.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 13:46:13 GMT -5
We need term limits on national offices...way to many feed off the government teat and feather their nest quite nicely and I don't believe our founding fathers meant for that to happen with the politicians. People fuss about welfare users but forget politicians are sucking the system also. Good luck with the term limits. That's always been a good idea that's never gotten anywhere. Oh sure they do. Apparently, several of them are now "looking forward" to resuming pork barrel projects. term limits is something we can all work on together
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Post by men an tol on Nov 25, 2016 14:10:20 GMT -5
I hope you're right, Chef .. I really do. So far, it looks like they are choosing a rather strange crew for the clean-up. Then people need to write, make phone calls and form groups that can be heard. Do you think we have ended up dividing instead of uniting? I suspect that in the next many months there will a number of groups which will contact the congressional members to express their concerns and desires. The majority of those contacting will be people with real concerns but mostly people who have never entered the fray (so to speak) before. And as in the past with such expressed concerns they will most likely fade back into their lives after the initial hoopla. Although I suspect that people don’t like to hear this, the time to start demonstrating concern was years ago. The place to begin making such concerns known was with your local community government. The professional politicians knows that just giving lip service to the temporarily voiced concerns, and then waiting, the mass of concerns will pass. Working with politicians, voicing your concerns, being to some degree strident in your voiced concerns, will pass, for nearly all people. When the citizen gets together with other citizens, works to become aware of the details of what is going on, develops calm, reasoned petitions, and maintains the voicing of that concern, the politician will listen. Financial contributions will help, they don’t have to be large, just steady. Remember you are competing for the ear of the Congress person and your voice is only one in a clamor of voices.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 14:11:44 GMT -5
What evil has bred in America that people just have to name call especially if one disagrees with popular opinion? Anyway, all we can do is wait until Congress takes action on healthcare and then write to let our feelings known....until then, we start divisions over nothing but conjecture and the sky is falling attitude. You think "name calling" is the big evil? Perhaps it is simply what is necessary to get the attention of the fools who, as my father used to say, would gag at a gnat and swallow a camel. evil probably wasn't the best choice of word but the point was how quickly people are labeled for disagreeing name calling is far to common in our society....rather than discuss the issue, names are hurled and the chance of communicating is lost in the anger that can follow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 15:56:38 GMT -5
So then, as long as you're covered, what happens to other people isn't of much interest to you? that's a very broad and wrong assumption to lay on me. there is no sense worrying until it is brought before the House and Senate so we can see what is going to be proposed....until then it's all conjecture plus we have to see if President Trump will keep his word about not tampering with social security amd medicare. At this point, we have alot of postering and snorting like a field of bulls....I refuse to give in to fear for the future knowing the One who holds the future Chefmate is a passionate person but I have never considered her a selfish one. She has doubts about the best way to provide healthcare and thinks Ryan's plan may be worth pursuing. I would trust Ryan less than most US politicians but if she wishes to give him the benefit of the doubt that is not because she does not care about the health of the rest of America. She simply is not certain as to what the best way of providing it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 17:06:18 GMT -5
that's a very broad and wrong assumption to lay on me. there is no sense worrying until it is brought before the House and Senate so we can see what is going to be proposed....until then it's all conjecture plus we have to see if President Trump will keep his word about not tampering with social security amd medicare. At this point, we have alot of postering and snorting like a field of bulls....I refuse to give in to fear for the future knowing the One who holds the future Chefmate is a passionate person but I have never considered her a selfish one. She has doubts about the best way to provide healthcare and thinks Ryan's plan may be worth pursuing. I would trust Ryan less than most US politicians but if she wishes to give him the benefit of the doubt that is not because she does not care about the health of the rest of America. She simply is not certain as to what the best way of providing it is. Thank you Mike. No one except Paul Ryan has put a plan out there that I am aware of and I would love to see what is being proposed.
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Post by beth on Nov 25, 2016 20:05:43 GMT -5
I think medicare and medicaid are fine. The affordable care act may need a little adjusting but it's actually not a bad way to go. The Congress is Republican in the majority and most will go with Ryan. He's been trying to get rid of Medicare for years, nothing new. He's been misrepresenting the "Medicare is going broke" theme for a long time. I suppose, if politicians say something over and over, a lot of people will believe it with no fact check. Just be aware and IF something sounds as if it MIGHT be propaganda from one side or the other, take it to Snopes or another FactCheck site.
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Post by beth on Nov 25, 2016 20:08:19 GMT -5
that's a very broad and wrong assumption to lay on me. there is no sense worrying until it is brought before the House and Senate so we can see what is going to be proposed....until then it's all conjecture plus we have to see if President Trump will keep his word about not tampering with social security amd medicare. At this point, we have alot of postering and snorting like a field of bulls....I refuse to give in to fear for the future knowing the One who holds the future Chefmate is a passionate person but I have never considered her a selfish one. She has doubts about the best way to provide healthcare and thinks Ryan's plan may be worth pursuing. I would trust Ryan less than most US politicians but if she wishes to give him the benefit of the doubt that is not because she does not care about the health of the rest of America. She simply is not certain as to what the best way of providing it is. I'm sure you are sincere, Mike, but this is something that needs to be looked at objectively, not weighted by who you do or don't "like".
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