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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 17:46:48 GMT -5
being out four or five nights a week, usually with a different woman each time
Men with a lot of cash and/or power usually are. But there are exceptions to the rule.... Meet 26-year-old Joe who relies on his pulling technique to keep a roof over his head in New York City. It's a case of a different girl every night for the ladies' man, aged 26, who relies on pulling women to keep a roof over his head in Manhattan, New York.
Throughout the daytime, he manages to blag as many freebies as he can, pinching free shop samples of deodorant and hairgel, while spending what little money he earns from begging on keeping up his appearance. Even though Joe has only four different outfits, he claims his arrogance and swagger charm women into inviting him into their homes for up to several nights at a time.
He said: "New York City is amazing it has 8 million people so you can f*** a different girl like, whenever you want.www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/handsome-homeless-man-picks-up-4267258A lot of [locker room] talk is often bravado - talking oneself up, as it were, to the boys/guys. Bragging is de rigeur. The homeless guy is a kind of gigolo, they've been around forever, just ask Casanova. That sounds like the template for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. "Joe" is going to find himself in sorry shape before long.
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Post by annaj26 on Oct 8, 2016 18:00:15 GMT -5
I am sorry, men an tol. This is not just bluster; this is disgusting, demeaning predatory behavior. I don't know men who talk like that (at least not personally. One or two were welcomed on a forum that I was previously on.) What is wrong with this man? We never hear anything about his mother, either. Perhaps he has Mommy-issues? I think that he needs a good psychiatrist -for starters - and that he should step aside and allow Pence to finish this Presidential run for him. If Hillary proves to be less than stellar, you can be sure that the Republicans will run a sound candidate who can (and probably will) win in 2020. Ariel, I was responding to your assertion that these words of Donald Trump were similar to the behavior of Bill Clinton. That you find Donald Trump’s words disgusting is not a surprise as you seem to judge them from the confines of your current life. I suspect that this too will surprise you, that is, a singular person will talk in different ways relevant to the situation of where the talk occurs. A person working in a factory will talk quite differently as compared to when they are in church, or in city hall, or in the local school. Words, depending on the environment can become quite gross to say the least and yet those in those environments take no offense as they understand the context. However, the point is the equating of the words of Donald Trump to the “behavior” (your words) of Bill Clinton. Is there evidence that Donald Trump committed sexual acts such as rape or making a subordinate perform sexual acts? No, of course not, but William Clinton has done so. Trying to compare words (even ill-advised words) in environments where such talk is accepted, is day and night as compared to actually entering into such acts. You being in college (as I understand it) should understand that in formal debate such comparisons would be dropped as illogical at best. Being in some degree of law school there should also be the understanding that such assertions (equating actual acts to words) would be laughed out of the court room. Please understand, I do not support his words. Even though it may be because he was caught he now apologizes for them. However, William Clinton (supported by Hillary Clinton) has not only not apologized for Bill Clintons ‘actual acts’ but has gone farther and have done what they can to demean the women who were his victims. No, comparing these acts of Bill Clinton to the words of Donald Trump is neither logical nor meaningful. (supported by Hillary Clinton) What does this even mean ... that she didn't divorce him? I would think however they settled that between them was their personal business. You can frown on what he did but to try to insinuate she did something wrong by standing by him is incredibly insensitive and intrusive.
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Post by men an tol on Oct 8, 2016 19:36:05 GMT -5
Ariel, I was responding to your assertion that these words of Donald Trump were similar to the behavior of Bill Clinton. That you find Donald Trump’s words disgusting is not a surprise as you seem to judge them from the confines of your current life. I suspect that this too will surprise you, that is, a singular person will talk in different ways relevant to the situation of where the talk occurs. A person working in a factory will talk quite differently as compared to when they are in church, or in city hall, or in the local school. Words, depending on the environment can become quite gross to say the least and yet those in those environments take no offense as they understand the context. However, the point is the equating of the words of Donald Trump to the “behavior” (your words) of Bill Clinton. Is there evidence that Donald Trump committed sexual acts such as rape or making a subordinate perform sexual acts? No, of course not, but William Clinton has done so. Trying to compare words (even ill-advised words) in environments where such talk is accepted, is day and night as compared to actually entering into such acts. You being in college (as I understand it) should understand that in formal debate such comparisons would be dropped as illogical at best. Being in some degree of law school there should also be the understanding that such assertions (equating actual acts to words) would be laughed out of the court room. Please understand, I do not support his words. Even though it may be because he was caught he now apologizes for them. However, William Clinton (supported by Hillary Clinton) has not only not apologized for Bill Clintons ‘actual acts’ but has gone farther and have done what they can to demean the women who were his victims. No, comparing these acts of Bill Clinton to the words of Donald Trump is neither logical nor meaningful. First, I am not here to be in school. This is a casual board. I come here to relax. You can draw-out the discussion yourself. (And I know that you are able to draw the logical conclusions.) Bill Clinton was never accused of rape. Donald Trump, I've heard, may have been. Both are adulterers. This is a contest for President of the United States, leader of the free world; not the president of some frat. Trump says on the tape that he intended to [have sex] with the woman, that he can do "whatever he wants" because of his celebrity. He was also newly married and his wife was pregnant with their child.
I don't want him as my President. He has neither the intellect nor the temperament to trump his flaws. And as a woman, frankly, I'd take a Clinton over a Trump any day. (Although I'm sure I'd divorce both of them.) Ariel, I’m not trying to teach you anything but rather I am only responding to your words, if you don’t want responses say so or don’t make the comments. As to your comment that Bill Clinton was never accused of rape happens to be factually incorrect as Juanita Broadrick has asserted for years. Juanita Broaddrick @atensnut From victim Juanita Broadrick: “How many times must it be said? Actions speak louder than words. Donald Trump said bad things! Hillary Rodham Clinton threatened me after Bill raped me. Here is an excerpt from “The Daily Caller”: The women Bill Clinton allegedly sexually assaulted are coming to Donald Trump’s defense arguing that unlike his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, the GOP nominee never attacked rape victims or protected a “rapist.” “Hillary calls Trump’s remarks ‘horrific’ while she lives with and protects a ‘Rapist’. Her actions are horrific,” Juanita Broaddrick, who accused Bill Clinton of rape, tweeted Saturday. While some Republicans have also called for Trump to drop out of the race, another Bill Clinton victim said Saturday that Clinton is the one who should step down. From a Kathleen Willey tweet, “The Hag has called us bimbos, sluts, trailer trash, whores, skanks. From one woman to her rapist’s victims. When will u resign from ur campaign?” Kathleen Willey, who accused Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting her, tweeted. Read more at www.patdollard.com/bills-victims-defend-trump-say-hillary-should-drop-out-she-threatened-me-after-bill-raped-me-she-protects-a-rapist/#iwWrAtolpE04diEj.99The point here Ariel is two-fold, first I’m only responding to your words and what I’m offering is from the victims of Bill Clinton sexual assaults. You don’t have to read them nor believe them if you do read them I do find it interesting the degree of support by many women for Hillary Clinton in the face of what is long and in depth ‘acts’ of her against women.
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Post by men an tol on Oct 8, 2016 19:44:00 GMT -5
Ariel stated, “It's interesting how Trump says over the "hot mike" (terrible term, considering the context) that he was prepared and ready to commit adultery -despite the fact that he was just married - and is now readying to go after Bill Clinton for his behavior (which was similar to Trump's.)” Ariel, I believe I understand the desire to connect Donald Trump to Bill Clinton, possibly as an attempt to demonstrate that they are equal in their approach to women, but nothing could be farther from the truth of the acts of these two men. Although this doesn’t excuse the words of Donald Trump but what he said was within the context of a certain amount of braggadocio of some men talking to other men, puffing their chest (relative to each other) but not having actually carried through with the acts described. Bill Clinton is quite different as a lifelong womanizer who did carry through many times, and taking advantage of a young (at the time) woman who was under his power (as an employer) and having used his position to entice others into his bed and even having been accused of rape by at least one of them. Then lying to Congress about questions relative to these acts. Then to minimize what he had done, he (and Hillary Clinton) demeaned these women as being liars, even to the point of referring to at least some them as trailer park trash susceptible to people trolling through the trailer parks to get these ‘low class’ women. There is no comparison between these two men in anyway. I personally place Donald Trump more in the class of being a blowhard and braggart about things that may never have happened. While not laudable, this is not uncommon among certain male environments where other men do not accept such words as more than unrealized bragging. But this type of thing is not unique to men, as women also (in environments entirely female) will sometimes have their own version of this type of talk. This is an opportunity for those who support Hillary Clinton to try to knock down Donald Trump in the face of the acts of Hillary Clinton for which there is not excuse other than a striving for power. No, I agree ... no comparison. Clinton has been married to the same woman all these years, through good and bad, ups and downs. He behaved badly but is in a totally different class than Trump. Donald Trump has been married 3 times and adultery was the key in each of his divorces. He was not just a blow hard, he had a rep with the ladies ... still has a rep for treating women with a high degree of disrespect. Your attempt to excuse him is off base, totally. His own party has not gone that far. Be unhappy with what I write, dislike it, hate it, but at least quote it correctly, I am, and have never tried excuse him. I really don't care for him. I was only trying to point out that equating words of one person to the acts of another is not logical. I realize that this small bit of reality doesn't count for anything when there is a chance to demean Donald Trump. But please, do it with someone else not me.
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Post by men an tol on Oct 8, 2016 19:46:57 GMT -5
Ariel, I was responding to your assertion that these words of Donald Trump were similar to the behavior of Bill Clinton. That you find Donald Trump’s words disgusting is not a surprise as you seem to judge them from the confines of your current life. I suspect that this too will surprise you, that is, a singular person will talk in different ways relevant to the situation of where the talk occurs. A person working in a factory will talk quite differently as compared to when they are in church, or in city hall, or in the local school. Words, depending on the environment can become quite gross to say the least and yet those in those environments take no offense as they understand the context. However, the point is the equating of the words of Donald Trump to the “behavior” (your words) of Bill Clinton. Is there evidence that Donald Trump committed sexual acts such as rape or making a subordinate perform sexual acts? No, of course not, but William Clinton has done so. Trying to compare words (even ill-advised words) in environments where such talk is accepted, is day and night as compared to actually entering into such acts. You being in college (as I understand it) should understand that in formal debate such comparisons would be dropped as illogical at best. Being in some degree of law school there should also be the understanding that such assertions (equating actual acts to words) would be laughed out of the court room. Please understand, I do not support his words. Even though it may be because he was caught he now apologizes for them. However, William Clinton (supported by Hillary Clinton) has not only not apologized for Bill Clintons ‘actual acts’ but has gone farther and have done what they can to demean the women who were his victims. No, comparing these acts of Bill Clinton to the words of Donald Trump is neither logical nor meaningful. (supported by Hillary Clinton) What does this even mean ... that she didn't divorce him? I would think however they settled that between them was their personal business. You can frown on what he did but to try to insinuate she did something wrong by standing by him is incredibly insensitive and intrusive. I never made any reference to her divorcing him or not and frankly I really don’t care. However, she has touted the support of women who have been sexually assaulted. But in this case she has done what she can to make these victims of her husband look bad.
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Post by kronks on Oct 8, 2016 20:00:03 GMT -5
Hi Chefmate51, I don't know too much about Hillary Clinton, but she has to be an improvement on Donald Trump, he is utterly disgusting, he makes my skin crawl.!!! She stood by Bill after the Monika Lewinsky thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 20:00:55 GMT -5
I don't know if Trumps comments will do him too much damage, not the one's I heard anyway as they are pretty much what people would expect him to say, more a case of confirming what people already think. They certainly won't help him though, that is for sure and that is not good as he is playing catch up. Needs to do well in the debate, as unlikely as that will be. Hi Kronks, Donald Trump is a no hoper, I wouldn't even give him the time of day. A person shows what they are by how they treat others. have you not read the accounts by secret service men who had to work with Hillary?
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Post by kronks on Oct 8, 2016 20:02:00 GMT -5
Trumps mistake was not making his comments on an a private email server.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 20:02:04 GMT -5
Hi Chefmate51, I don't know too much about Hillary Clinton, but she has to be an improvement on Donald Trump, he is utterly disgusting, he makes my skin crawl.!!! She stood by Bill after the Monika Lewinsky thing. she needed him for her political career
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Post by kronks on Oct 8, 2016 20:04:45 GMT -5
placing a cigar up someone's hoo-hoo whom you are not married to is pretty disgusting....adultery is adultery, none is acceptable. Hillery can't explain her email server, six billion dollars missing on top of Bengazi so she is a terrible candidate....there is no good candidate. Might you be trying to change the conversation, Chef? The subject tonight is Trump. It is related to the debate though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 20:08:24 GMT -5
Ariel stated, “It's interesting how Trump says over the "hot mike" (terrible term, considering the context) that he was prepared and ready to commit adultery -despite the fact that he was just married - and is now readying to go after Bill Clinton for his behavior (which was similar to Trump's.)” Ariel, I believe I understand the desire to connect Donald Trump to Bill Clinton, possibly as an attempt to demonstrate that they are equal in their approach to women, but nothing could be farther from the truth of the acts of these two men. Although this doesn’t excuse the words of Donald Trump but what he said was within the context of a certain amount of braggadocio of some men talking to other men, puffing their chest (relative to each other) but not having actually carried through with the acts described. Bill Clinton is quite different as a lifelong womanizer who did carry through many times, and taking advantage of a young (at the time) woman who was under his power (as an employer) and having used his position to entice others into his bed and even having been accused of rape by at least one of them. Then lying to Congress about questions relative to these acts. Then to minimize what he had done, he (and Hillary Clinton) demeaned these women as being liars, even to the point of referring to at least some them as trailer park trash susceptible to people trolling through the trailer parks to get these ‘low class’ women. There is no comparison between these two men in anyway. I personally place Donald Trump more in the class of being a blowhard and braggart about things that may never have happened. While not laudable, this is not uncommon among certain male environments where other men do not accept such words as more than unrealized bragging. But this type of thing is not unique to men, as women also (in environments entirely female) will sometimes have their own version of this type of talk. This is an opportunity for those who support Hillary Clinton to try to knock down Donald Trump in the face of the acts of Hillary Clinton for which there is not excuse other than a striving for power. I am sorry, men an tol. This is not just bluster; this is disgusting, demeaning predatory behavior. I don't know men who talk like that (at least not personally. One or two were welcomed on a forum that I was previously on.) What is wrong with this man? We never hear anything about his mother, either. Perhaps he has Mommy-issues? I think that he needs a good psychiatrist -for starters - and that he should step aside and allow Pence to finish this Presidential run for him. If Hillary proves to be less than stellar, you can be sure that the Republicans will run a sound candidate who can (and probably will) win in 2020. When I was in my twenties, I worked in manufacturing plant with 1200 men....talk about bluster and big egos on the job, but, if you ran into them out shopping with their wives, they didn't know you.
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Post by kronks on Oct 8, 2016 20:15:07 GMT -5
It's interesting how Trump says over the "hot mike" (terrible term, considering the context) that he was prepared and ready to commit adultery -despite the fact that he was just married - and is now readying to go after Bill Clinton for his behavior (which was similar to Trump's.) Ariel stated, “It's interesting how Trump says over the "hot mike" (terrible term, considering the context) that he was prepared and ready to commit adultery -despite the fact that he was just married - and is now readying to go after Bill Clinton for his behavior (which was similar to Trump's.)” Ariel, I believe I understand the desire to connect Donald Trump to Bill Clinton, possibly as an attempt to demonstrate that they are equal in their approach to women, but nothing could be farther from the truth of the acts of these two men. Although this doesn’t excuse the words of Donald Trump but what he said was within the context of a certain amount of braggadocio of some men talking to other men, puffing their chest (relative to each other) but not having actually carried through with the acts described. Bill Clinton is quite different as a lifelong womanizer who did carry through many times, and taking advantage of a young (at the time) woman who was under his power (as an employer) and having used his position to entice others into his bed and even having been accused of rape by at least one of them. Then lying to Congress about questions relative to these acts. Then to minimize what he had done, he (and Hillary Clinton) demeaned these women as being liars, even to the point of referring to at least some them as trailer park trash susceptible to people trolling through the trailer parks to get these ‘low class’ women. There is no comparison between these two men in anyway. I personally place Donald Trump more in the class of being a blowhard and braggart about things that may never have happened. While not laudable, this is not uncommon among certain male environments where other men do not accept such words as more than unrealized bragging. But this type of thing is not unique to men, as women also (in environments entirely female) will sometimes have their own version of this type of talk. This is an opportunity for those who support Hillary Clinton to try to knock down Donald Trump in the face of the acts of Hillary Clinton for which there is not excuse other than a striving for power. That is true, I am sure many women have said things in private they would not want broadcast nationally. I think there are far more important issues to be concerned with, Trumps relationship with women should essentially only be of concern to wife unless it involves some sort of illegal behaviour. Trump getting an irresistible urge to kiss pretty women is not a crime unless he forces himself on them and if they want to let him kiss them, that is their prerogative.
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Post by kronks on Oct 8, 2016 20:17:25 GMT -5
Ariel stated, “It's interesting how Trump says over the "hot mike" (terrible term, considering the context) that he was prepared and ready to commit adultery -despite the fact that he was just married - and is now readying to go after Bill Clinton for his behavior (which was similar to Trump's.)” Ariel, I believe I understand the desire to connect Donald Trump to Bill Clinton, possibly as an attempt to demonstrate that they are equal in their approach to women, but nothing could be farther from the truth of the acts of these two men. Although this doesn’t excuse the words of Donald Trump but what he said was within the context of a certain amount of braggadocio of some men talking to other men, puffing their chest (relative to each other) but not having actually carried through with the acts described. Bill Clinton is quite different as a lifelong womanizer who did carry through many times, and taking advantage of a young (at the time) woman who was under his power (as an employer) and having used his position to entice others into his bed and even having been accused of rape by at least one of them. Then lying to Congress about questions relative to these acts. Then to minimize what he had done, he (and Hillary Clinton) demeaned these women as being liars, even to the point of referring to at least some them as trailer park trash susceptible to people trolling through the trailer parks to get these ‘low class’ women. There is no comparison between these two men in anyway. I personally place Donald Trump more in the class of being a blowhard and braggart about things that may never have happened. While not laudable, this is not uncommon among certain male environments where other men do not accept such words as more than unrealized bragging. But this type of thing is not unique to men, as women also (in environments entirely female) will sometimes have their own version of this type of talk. This is an opportunity for those who support Hillary Clinton to try to knock down Donald Trump in the face of the acts of Hillary Clinton for which there is not excuse other than a striving for power. No, I agree ... no comparison. Clinton has been married to the same woman all these years, through good and bad, ups and downs. He behaved badly but is in a totally different class than Trump. Donald Trump has been married 3 times and adultery was the key in each of his divorces. He was not just a blow hard, he had a rep with the ladies ... still has a rep for treating women with a high degree of disrespect. Your attempt to excuse him is off base, totally. His own party has not gone that far. Yet three were happy to marry him!!
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Post by kronks on Oct 8, 2016 20:22:12 GMT -5
Ariel stated, “It's interesting how Trump says over the "hot mike" (terrible term, considering the context) that he was prepared and ready to commit adultery -despite the fact that he was just married - and is now readying to go after Bill Clinton for his behavior (which was similar to Trump's.)” Ariel, I believe I understand the desire to connect Donald Trump to Bill Clinton, possibly as an attempt to demonstrate that they are equal in their approach to women, but nothing could be farther from the truth of the acts of these two men. Although this doesn’t excuse the words of Donald Trump but what he said was within the context of a certain amount of braggadocio of some men talking to other men, puffing their chest (relative to each other) but not having actually carried through with the acts described. Bill Clinton is quite different as a lifelong womanizer who did carry through many times, and taking advantage of a young (at the time) woman who was under his power (as an employer) and having used his position to entice others into his bed and even having been accused of rape by at least one of them. Then lying to Congress about questions relative to these acts. Then to minimize what he had done, he (and Hillary Clinton) demeaned these women as being liars, even to the point of referring to at least some them as trailer park trash susceptible to people trolling through the trailer parks to get these ‘low class’ women. There is no comparison between these two men in anyway. I personally place Donald Trump more in the class of being a blowhard and braggart about things that may never have happened. While not laudable, this is not uncommon among certain male environments where other men do not accept such words as more than unrealized bragging. But this type of thing is not unique to men, as women also (in environments entirely female) will sometimes have their own version of this type of talk. This is an opportunity for those who support Hillary Clinton to try to knock down Donald Trump in the face of the acts of Hillary Clinton for which there is not excuse other than a striving for power. No, I agree ... no comparison. Clinton has been married to the same woman all these years, through good and bad, ups and downs. He behaved badly but is in a totally different class than Trump. Donald Trump has been married 3 times and adultery was the key in each of his divorces. He was not just a blow hard, he had a rep with the ladies ... still has a rep for treating women with a high degree of disrespect. Your attempt to excuse him is off base, totally. His own party has not gone that far. Yes but he only remained married because Hillary stood by him, and apparently attacked the women he was involved with, So Hillary attacking Trump has a ring of irony about it. Or is it the case That Hillary would not vote for a man like Trump but would marry one?
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Post by Jessiealan on Oct 8, 2016 20:32:06 GMT -5
Beth said: No, I agree ... no comparison. Clinton has been married to the same woman all these years, through good and bad, ups and downs. He behaved badly but is in a totally different class than Trump. Donald Trump has been married 3 times and adultery was the key in each of his divorces. He was not just a blow hard, he had a rep with the ladies ... still has a rep for treating women with a high degree of disrespect. Your attempt to excuse him is off base, totally. His own party has not gone that far. Men an tol said Be unhappy with what I write, dislike it, hate it, but at least quote it correctly, I am, and have never tried excuse him. I really don't care for him. I was only trying to point out that equating words of one person to the acts of another is not logical. I realize that this small bit of reality doesn't count for anything when there is a chance to demean Donald Trump. But please, do it with someone else not me. Men an tol, I believe the point is that he committed adultery while he was married to these women, not that he just talked about it. You are letting him off much too lightly. I also believe if someone you do not support politically had been recorded saying these things (Kaine, for example) you would not be ready to excuse them as you do Trump. Think about it.
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