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Post by Dex on Oct 17, 2016 18:46:19 GMT -5
I watch the news, the debates, and read the Times. It's not rocket-science. You also forgot to list Trump in your list of evil people. oops - evil "angels" you missed the point....there is no way you can state 100% every other word is a lie. It's a common, everyday expression, Chef. You must be the only person in the world that would want to take it literally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 18:51:41 GMT -5
I watch the news, the debates, and read the Times. It's not rocket-science. You also forgot to list Trump in your list of evil people. oops - evil "angels" you missed the point....there is no way you can state 100% every other word is a lie. Really? ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 18:54:05 GMT -5
you missed the point....there is no way you can state 100% every other word is a lie. Really? ? really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 18:55:10 GMT -5
you missed the point....there is no way you can state 100% every other word is a lie. It's a common, everyday expression, Chef. You must be the only person in the world that would want to take it literally. Think about it...it may be a simple expression but it is a lie. Why do we do that? can you put me in the guiness book of records? lol it just struck me is all. didnt mean to go off topic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 19:55:14 GMT -5
Really? ? really. Would you prefer if I said "every other sentence"? Would that make you feel better about him? Would that make you feel better about your choice?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 20:55:43 GMT -5
really. Would you prefer if I said "every other sentence"? Would that make you feel better about him? Would that make you feel better about your choice? It really doesn't matter. The phrase just struck me and I commented. I am quite fine with Donald Trump...he apologized for his terrible remarks. End of.
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Post by men an tol on Oct 17, 2016 21:04:07 GMT -5
To me Beth, it is easy for people hearing the news reports of various cases to quickly claim that the person is lying or not lying. Generally, that merely reflects our personal perspectives and not the facts. This is like listening to the news media where they are not bound by Oath with only their reputation providing the credibility to their words. In recent years we have seen some highly respected journalists provide stories as factual and then turn out to be not factual. Even so, we in the public are often quick to come to aid of our favorites before the words are vetted. There are two areas where these opinions of the public are placed in the correct place of raw personal opinion; one is the evidence given in a trial that is completed, and the other is in governmental hearings, that are under Oath. In those governmental hearings there are two types of binding Oaths. One is where the person being question is placed under Oath specifically for that hearing and; the other is when the person being questioned has already taken an Oath of Office and is answering questions which are describing things which occurred relative to the Constitution. In both cases the person being question can be specifically defined as lying or telling the truth or effusing to respond. We as the public can still say what our opinion is of a person’s words as being truthful or not but that must be in the context of personal, raw, opinion. Of the two candidates, only Secretary Clinton has been under Oath (since being a Senator and subsequently as Secretary of State) to tell the truth to a Congressional committee and that committee has the power to fact check her words. There is another context where truth can be checked, such as when Secretary Clinton described deplaning under fear and then video tape take at the time demonstrated this was a complete fabrication. My point is that while all of the public opinions as to their truth telling are interesting, such opinions are, no more that raw opinion. Wilson, Harding, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Kennedy, Kennedy (that is Robert, before he went through some crisis of faith,) Johnson, Nixon (again,) Kissinger, Reagan, Bush and Bush, Rummy, Clinton, Cheney and on and on and on. They almost hanged Carter who was seemingly a decent man. BTW, every other word out of Donald Trump's mouth is a lie. He is a mad-man. (Talk about who is using drugs!) And how many times has he been pulled into court and lied after taking an oath? What "truth" are you talking about? Boy Ariel, that is taking off on a tangent to make some kind of point. In the context of my reply to Beth it is not clear what you are talking about. Truth in the context I was referring to is that under oath relative to other comments not under oath. The former can be vetted as to truth and the latter cannot be so vetted. The one exception to that is when the comments of a person are proven to be untrue because they are on video tape which demonstrates the lack of veracity in the assertions.
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Post by beth on Oct 17, 2016 21:33:27 GMT -5
Would you prefer if I said "every other sentence"? Would that make you feel better about him? Would that make you feel better about your choice? It really doesn't matter. The phrase just struck me and I commented. I am quite fine with Donald Trump...he apologized for his terrible remarks. End of. In that case, you don't have to reply, but I'll comment. Trump apologized and you're fine with it? That's all it takes for you to let him off the hook? I wonder, if you had daughters instead of sons, whether you'd be so unconcerned. Has nothing to do with feminism ... has to do with his continuing, life long (apparently) attitude toward women. Do you really feel good about a President who would do and say the things he's done and said? Don't you suppose it would encourage other men to do the same? He didn't apologize because he regretted his remarks .. he only regretted getting caught. (mpo)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 21:45:04 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter. The phrase just struck me and I commented. I am quite fine with Donald Trump...he apologized for his terrible remarks. End of. In that case, you don't have to reply, but I'll comment. Trump apologized and you're fine with it? That's all it takes for you to let him off the hook? I wonder, if you had daughters instead of sons, whether you'd be so unconcerned. Has nothing to do with feminism ... has to do with his continuing, life long (apparently) attitude toward women. Do you really feel good about a President who would do and say the things he's done and said? Don't you suppose it would encourage other men to do the same? He didn't apologize because he regretted his remarks .. he only regretted getting caught. (mpo) It's not worth getting into it over Donald or Hillary...waste of time as they are both dirtbags and represent America in her declining years. by the way...was Bill Clinton a paragon of virtue while in any political offices he served in? Let's not be calling the kettle black.
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Post by beth on Oct 17, 2016 22:22:10 GMT -5
Of course he wasn't, but that does not excuse Trump or make it any more acceptable to support him for president. It isn't just one thing he said or even one thing he did, it's the kind of person he is and that you think that's okay. You're using Clinton as an excuse. If we had known about Chinton during his campaign what we know now, would you have excused him? It's not worth getting into it over Donald or Hillary...waste of time as they are both dirtbags and represent America in her declining years. You said something similar before but still continue to post "pro Trump" almost every day, so you must not be saying what you really mean.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 22:52:02 GMT -5
Of course he wasn't, but that does not excuse Trump or make it any more acceptable to support him for president. It isn't just one thing he said or even one thing he did, it's the kind of person he is and that you think that's okay. You're using Clinton as an excuse. If we had known about Chinton during his campaign what we know now, would you have excused him? It's not worth getting into it over Donald or Hillary...waste of time as they are both dirtbags and represent America in her declining years. You said something similar before but still continue to post "pro Trump" almost every day, so you must not be saying what you really mean. trump is the lesser of two evils....it's my belief and what I said earlier was trying to avoid a quarrel that has no winners. if I run across something favorable to Hilary I would post...I don't read much in the newspapers anymore and my sister had sent that clipping of Trump otherwise I would not have run across it.
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Post by Sysop3 on Oct 17, 2016 23:58:10 GMT -5
It's not worth getting into it over Donald or Hillary...waste of time as they are both dirtbags and represent America in her declining years. I don't think anybody wants to quarrel, Chef It's a discussion topic so 2 way discussion's okay. If you don't want replies, probably best not to throw a post up for all to read. The only thing I want to say is I don't see America as being in "declining years". I'm not a pessimist and the past 8 years have been good for me and most of the people I know. The people I see with negative attitudes are the ones that watch Alex Jones, Michael Savage and that ilk.
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Post by men an tol on Oct 18, 2016 0:37:53 GMT -5
It's not worth getting into it over Donald or Hillary...waste of time as they are both dirtbags and represent America in her declining years. I don't think anybody wants to quarrel, Chef It's a discussion topic so 2 way discussion's okay. If you don't want replies, probably best not to throw a post up for all to read. The only thing I want to say is I don't see America as being in "declining years". I'm not a pessimist and the past 8 years have been good for me and most of the people I know. The people I see with negative attitudes are the ones that watch Alex Jones, Michael Savage and that ilk. Different points of view for different folks. I’ve heard of these three but never watched them (or listened if they are on radio), but then I’ve never seen Donald Trump’s program either (or is it programs?) Very little do I watch on TV as there is little of the music that is any good (at least for me) the programs are pretty much trash, and the news programs are simply poor entertainment shows. As I said once before I like most of what is run on the 3 CSPAN channels. Even so, I believe that the years of President Obama and President Bush (the younger) have been pretty much a down slide for the country. I don’t see much coming no matter who wins except additional loss of value for the country. I do believe that we will be in a declared war within 5 or 6 years. This because as a country we have lost our way. The economy could be turned around easily and within less than ten years, but it won’t happen. No matter who wins. I believe that those who are poor will rapidly increase in numbers and that the government largess to cover their needs will decrease especially as the value of the dollar continues dropping. We are entering a period where nearly anything can happen but it will be negative things due to incompetent people who are being elected. I recommend to everyone, focus on your local community, try to make yourself as independent as possible, such as not depending on the normal food chains and find other sources for medical service. If you have children get deeply involved in their education and make as a part of that education the practical trades. Make local friends and find ways to work together. Even if you are successful at doing such things it may be too late. Obviously I believe that we are headed for bad times. Until about three or four years ago I argued against such advice as I believed that there was still time to turn the country around, I no longer believe that. I realize that few (if any) here will take these words seriously. Hopefully time will prove me wrong, but I believe that we have neared the edge of the cliff and are preparing to jump off.
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Post by Sysop3 on Oct 18, 2016 0:48:23 GMT -5
Bush was not good - evidence, the shock and awe plus the economic crash and burn, and yes that was caused by things that happened during the Bush years. Obama inherited it and had to work hard to pull us back.
Obama's 8 years have been good for me as a small business owner and a home owner.
Jones and Savage are a must for a lot of the Trump people. They push the idea that the mega-rich are plotting and planning for one world where they will rule and the ordinary people (you, me, our neighbors, eetc.) will be reduced to slaves. Main line conspiracy theorists. Watch them a time or two just to bring yourself up to speed.
Buck up Men an tol.
Time will prove you wrong.
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Post by Sysop3 on Oct 18, 2016 1:05:06 GMT -5
Even if you are successful at doing such things it may be too late. Obviously I believe that we are headed for bad times. Until about three or four years ago I argued against such advice as I believed that there was still time to turn the country around, I no longer believe that. I realize that few (if any) here will take these words seriously. Hopefully time will prove me wrong, but I believe that we have neared the edge of the cliff and are preparing to jump off. Maybe the down ticket will go Republican, Men an tol. That should give you a better outlook. I believe that you honestly feel negative about the outcome of the pending election. I'll bet you felt the same way when Romney didn't win. Yet, here we are, doing pretty well. There needs to be something done about controlling the gun situation, and the infrastructure and jobs need a boost. Maybe the admin and Congress can get along enough to get some of those things done.
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