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Post by Scottish Lassie on Aug 24, 2016 0:47:01 GMT -5
you can choose to offer a helping hand so they can get back on their feet. They are on their feet. That's the life they want. I was talking with one of them at a coin-op car wash this morning. He wasn't even panhandling. He just sat there under the bill changer, ebullient in his own filth and depravity. Hi Josephdphillips, seeing he was next to a car wash you would at least think he would have a daily wash. I certainly wouldn't be ebullient under the circumstances. It's a wonder you weren't knocked over by the odour that must have been issuing forth.LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 0:53:01 GMT -5
Most of them are in pain. You accept them by ignoring them and/or condemning them to labor camps? "Condemning them?" What's wrong with working for your own room and board? It's good enough for the rest of us. Pain is part of life, particularly pain that is self-inflicted. Nobody aspires to be homeless. Their situation isn't self-inflicted. Very often some traumatic event has happened to them to put them in this situation. Sad to say that I've heard many express such a dispassionate opinion too. You never know what's around the corner. Any one of us could become homeless. Life is never certain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 1:03:16 GMT -5
I am one of the people who help them. I've donated service since I was a teenager. You should be ashamed of yourself. Hi Ariel,Josephdphillips is right, some people who decide to live on the street prefer that kind of lifestyle. They don't have to pay rent for starters and be obliged to follow the rules of the landlord. We have the homeless here also and the Salvation Army who patrol the streets looking for them so that they can offer help, but they refuse. They don't want to be obliged to anyone, though they could be dependent on the Government who knows? Beggars even come on the trains looking for a hand out. The difference is JDP said that "the homeless", ie all homeless people, are happy with that lifestyle. Sure there will be some but not all. And it's maybe not a happiness but a security of what's familiar. I've known many people who are afraid of change, especially big changes;it's human nature, it's not unusual. It's quite easy to say "pull up your socks and work your way out of this situation" from our comfortable perspective without understanding how they became homeless and why they're suspicious of anyone offering help. Not all homeless are beggars and not all beggars are homeless.
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Post by mouse on Aug 24, 2016 1:10:03 GMT -5
migrants SL...trouble is PC rules the roost a,long with all the labels that the rightons are prepared to use on those who would deal with these so called guests..in general any one who objects is labeled far right and then there are all the other captions and of course migrants are not so stupid...they know a cushy number when they see one
the homeless..are a very different thing than migrants...many reasons for being homeless ..inability to cope..unpaid rents..mental illnessa and lot of it self inflicted...but we should sort out our own especially ex service men and women who should imo be given priority in housing ...and next on the list should be families with children..families living in hostels or with parents and grandparent etc as one man living with his family in one room at his mother said...the points system for state housing ensures that a migrant/immigrant families will always be housed before him and his family...and that in any ones stadards is wrong there is only so much housing to go around in the UK..and those of the UK should take absolute priority[which they don't]in that available housing
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Aug 24, 2016 1:18:41 GMT -5
That is indeed true Shades, it seems to be a case of 'to each his/her own'
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Aug 24, 2016 1:27:05 GMT -5
trouble is PC rules the roost a,long with all the labels that the rightons are prepared to use on those who would deal with these so called guests..in general any one who objects is labeled far right and then there are all the other captions and of course migrants are not so stupid...they know a cushy number when they see one It would seem like that Mouse, it doesn't look like they are going to fit in if EVER there WAS that HOPE. They seem to be determined to bite the hand that feeds them. The least they could be: is appreciative, but I think Germany will be left waiting.
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Post by mouse on Aug 24, 2016 1:45:49 GMT -5
Lets say your city looked like this. Wouldn't you appreciate a little compassion? funnily enough I can think of cities which looked like that...London..Glasgow..Liverpool ..Dresden..Berlin ..stalin grad...etc etc ....luckily the people concerned didn't run away..they cleared the rubble and mades roads passable and continued with their lives until such time as rebuilding could take place plus an important little fact 70%of last6 years migrants were young males..able bodied well fed young males pnly 30% were women and children.....not many children
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Aug 24, 2016 1:53:59 GMT -5
"Condemning them?" What's wrong with working for your own room and board? It's good enough for the rest of us. Pain is part of life, particularly pain that is self-inflicted. Nobody aspires to be homeless. Their situation isn't self-inflicted. Very often some traumatic event has happened to them to put them in this situation. Sad to say that I've heard many express such a dispassionate opinion too. You never know what's around the corner. Any one of us could become homeless. Life is never certain. Hi Shades, Both you and Josephdphillips are right in your own way. If we really care no matter what our misfortune we make an effort to better our situation by accepting the help that is offered, at least. You could then get spruced up and be elegible for some kind of work, that would certainly be a start. Ofcourse as you said, some people are so in the doldrums that they just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel and are in real need of long term counselling, not dispassionate criticisms.
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Post by mouse on Aug 24, 2016 1:55:17 GMT -5
"Condemning them?" What's wrong with working for your own room and board? It's good enough for the rest of us. Pain is part of life, particularly pain that is self-inflicted. Nobody aspires to be homeless. Their situation isn't self-inflicted. Very often some traumatic event has happened to them to put them in this situation. Sad to say that I've heard many express such a dispassionate opinion too. You never know what's around the corner. Any one of us could become homeless. Life is never certain. I would argue that being homless in SOME cases is self inflicted... Drink ..Drugs..Gambling..debt are all self inflicted.... then you have the unself inflicted but circumstances are at play who need every bit of help mental illness or war trauma.. loss of home loss of job.. the children and teenagers who have runaway from home for a variety of reason also need help and better hel-p than they are getting now...
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Aug 24, 2016 2:03:26 GMT -5
Lets say your city looked like this. Wouldn't you appreciate a little compassion? funnily enough I can think of cities which looked like that...London..Glasgow..Liverpool ..Dresden..Berlin ..stalin grad...etc etc ....luckily the people concerned didn't run away..they cleared the rubble and mades roads passable and continued with their lives until such time as rebuilding could take place plus an important little fact 70%of last6 years migrants were young males..able bodied well fed young males pnly 30% were women and children.....not many children Hi Mouse, I thought America placed sanctions on the country from where the migrants are coming, which means that they had no food to give them the strength to clear up anything. From what I read, these refugees were in camps and were starving.
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Post by mouse on Aug 24, 2016 2:25:32 GMT -5
funnily enough I can think of cities which looked like that...London..Glasgow..Liverpool ..Dresden..Berlin ..stalin grad...etc etc ....luckily the people concerned didn't run away..they cleared the rubble and mades roads passable and continued with their lives until such time as rebuilding could take place plus an important little fact 70%of last6 years migrants were young males..able bodied well fed young males pnly 30% were women and children.....not many children Hi Mouse, I thought America placed sanctions on the country from where the migrants are coming, which means that they had no food to give them the strength to clear up anything. From what I read, these refugees were in camps and were starving. as this was quite a topic here at Babylon last year ..it was made abundantly clear that the migrant majority were NOT from war torn areas at all in fact migrants were a whole bag of different peoples from countries which were not at war or starving...and given that the male migrants looked very well dressed and very well fed..it gives the lie to the crys of starvation those in refugee camps are an entirely different matter[which is why our PM took families who were in the reugee camps and brought them here .where they have been housed.. fed..clothed and given monies to spend .. the people of Berlin were hardly well fed when they shoved the rubble to one side leaving the roads clear the countries they came from countries NOT at war where migrants are coming from Turkey Ethiopian Pakistan Albania Yemen Palestine Irak Egypt Algeria Somalia Afghanistan eastern Europe the stans and other assorted Asian countries assorted African and north African countries countries not that many came from Syria..in spite of it being war torn
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Post by fretslider on Aug 24, 2016 6:49:14 GMT -5
Lets say your city looked like this. Wouldn't you appreciate a little compassion? All of our major cities looked like this Tell me which countries the English fled to while this was happening. Oh wait, they didn't turn tail and run, they stayed and fought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 8:02:09 GMT -5
countries NOT at war where migrants are coming from Turkey Ethiopian Pakistan Albania Yemen Palestine Irak Egypt Algeria Somalia Afghanistan eastern Europe the stans and other assorted Asian countries assorted African and north African countries countries To help you get a better handle on where there is armed conflict around the world, here's a link to a detailed list www.warsintheworld.com/?page=static1258254223 and a quick summary of the hotspots worldwide... AFRICA: (29 Countries and 209 between militias-guerrillas, terrorist-separatist-anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (often there are armed clashes between muslims and christians), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (war against islamic militants of Islamic State branch), Libya (civil war), Mali (clashes between army and rebel groups), Mozambique (clashes with RENAMO rebels) Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against al-Shabaab islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups in Darfur), South Sudan (clashes with rebel groups) ASIA: (16 Countries and 167 between militias-guerrillas, terrorist-separatist-anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (10 Countries and 80 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic), Nagorno-Karabakh (clashes between Azerbaijan army against Armenian army and Nagorno-Karabakh army) MIDDLE EAST: (7 Countries and 236 between militias-guerrillas, terrorist-separatist-anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants)
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Post by mouse on Aug 24, 2016 12:21:02 GMT -5
and the above have what to do with the list I offered ? Islamic militants...well perhaps the unmillitent muslims should cause the cancer that is islam..and stop leeching off other countries... especially as fit young men are in the majority
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 15:04:49 GMT -5
and the above have what to do with the list I offered ? Islamic militants...well perhaps the unmillitent muslims should cause the cancer that is islam..and stop leeching off other countries... especially as fit young men are in the majority well, your list bears no resemblance to reality. You really should check out your information before you start shouting about which countries have no armed conflict. Posting an immigrant hate list doesn't wash any more...
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