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Post by mouse on Jul 11, 2016 5:08:15 GMT -5
Yet most other countries in the EU demand to see patients' identity cards or passports before offering them treatment. The Mail was alerted to the problem by a whistleblower from a hospital whose role is to charge foreign patients. She said many patients, mainly from Nigeria and Zimbabwe, are brought in by relatives living here. The relatives then take them for eye tests by opticians, who refer them to hospital, where doctors carry out cataract surgery immediately. But they do not demand money beforehand. The whistleblower said that between five and 15 overseas patients arrive at her hospital a week needing cataract treatment. 'We rarely get the money back,' she said. 'They tend to need very complex procedures. We have to use a translation service as well and it's a huge cost.' The Department of Health said: 'This Government is determined to make sure our NHS isn't abused – we were the first to introduce tough measures to clamp down on migrants accessing NHS hospitals and are going further with plans to extend charging to A&E and other services, helping the NHS to recover up to £500million a year by 2018 Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3683605/Health-tourists-jump-NHS-queue-Foreign-patients-given-eye-surgery-Britons-wait-months.html#ixzz4E5q5urKA Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
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Post by mouse on Jul 11, 2016 5:18:21 GMT -5
it really is beyond disgraceful that this is allowed to happen..yet it happens time after time after time..another reason why immigration is loathed by so many
the NHS and the welfare state was founded for OUR citizens..not any one elses.....sick of being ripped off by all and sundry
time to make it cash up front for those not UK citizens..the NHS was set up and funded by our own people for our own people NOT for the rest of the world
and it wouldn't be rocket science to organise..if I go to john lewis to shop..the shop assistant can tell me where I live in a matter of moments...so the NHS needs to use the same system..and if your not on the list then you don't get treated..except for the direst of emergencies and even then big question makrs where or not to allow use of services..all those coming into the country should have to give proof of their insurance..no insurance no treatment...just as we have to take out insurance when traveling
another area of abuse is midwifery by those coming heavily pregnant from who knows where to use and abuse the NHS
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Post by ladylinda on Jul 11, 2016 15:02:55 GMT -5
I don't think it's possible to take a simplistic 'us/them' approach.
If you're treating victims of an emergency - whether it's a terrorist outrage, a traffic accident, a fire or something like that - trying to rescue and treat the victims comes first and any questions of nationality or whatever don't (or shouldn't come into it).
But for non-emergency medical treatment then it's a different matter. For that kind of treatment then those who are NOT citizens of the country SHOULD be required to pay IMO.
And I certainly am NOT among 'those who loathe immigration.'
I'm all in favour of CONTROLLED and MANAGED immigration.
NOT the pathetic free-for-all scramble we've been lumbered with.
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Post by mouse on Jul 12, 2016 3:58:27 GMT -5
of course its simplistic..either they are brits and entitled or they are from elsewhere and not entitled...it couldn't be more simple either you have a passport or you dont
and as I pointed out if I go shopping they know who I am and where I live at a click of a mouse..a similar system could be used
and this is not about immigration its about abuse of the NHS...those coming in should be made to have insurance..
very simple to check out at passport control...no insurance no entry...
I have never gone on holiday or traveled overseas without insurance and that goes for almost every one who travels..its a norm for us..so we have to ensure its a normal part of traveling into the UK....and especially if the travelers are traveling on UK based air or shipping lines..no insurance..no travel
and those who refuse to take out insurance..well we can be recompenced either by family memebers who live in the UK or from their embassies in the cases of emergency treatment
or in the case of non life threatening emergencies we simply refuse treatment...catteracts are not life threatening..
our services are abused time after time..putting the needs of our own people last instead of first
this constant abuse of our services simply ratchets up bad feeling so stop the abuses
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Post by ladylinda on Jul 12, 2016 5:33:38 GMT -5
of course its simplistic..either they are brits and entitled or they are from elsewhere and not entitled...it couldn't be more simple either you have a passport or you dont and as I pointed out if I go shopping they know who I am and where I live at a click of a mouse..a similar system could be used and this is not about immigration its about abuse of the NHS...those coming in should be made to have insurance.. very simple to check out at passport control...no insurance no entry... I have never gone on holiday or traveled overseas without insurance and that goes for almost every one who travels..its a norm for us..so we have to ensure its a normal part of traveling into the UK....and especially if the travelers are traveling on UK based air or shipping lines..no insurance..no travel and those who refuse to take out insurance..well we can be recompenced either by family memebers who live in the UK or from their embassies in the cases of emergency treatment or in the case of non life threatening emergencies we simply refuse treatment...catteracts are not life threatening.. our services are abused time after time..putting the needs of our own people last instead of first this constant abuse of our services simply ratchets up bad feeling so stop the abuses We'll have to agree to disagree, Mouse. To me we are human beings first and natives or foreigners second. In emergency situations no one should be concerned about the nationality of the victims. It's in non-emergency health care - the majority of treatment - where citizenship does come into it. If you would let victims of traffic accidents, fires or terrorist outrages be forced to show proof of their British citizenship then all I can say is I find that a very callous accident. But all the people who come over here for babies, abortions and all kinds of non-emergency treatment are in a different situation. I think my attitudes are fair and reasonable. |
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Post by mouse on Jul 12, 2016 7:10:49 GMT -5
nothing to disagree on actually..as I pointed out emergency treatement recovered from relatives or Embasies
and a definite no to non emergencies..i don't want folk dying on the streets..at the same time I am sick of people taking the persistence
but complusary insurance for entering the country should be enforced
enough is enough
as for being human beings tell that to the scammers and blaggers who come to abuse the system
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Post by ladylinda on Jul 13, 2016 9:56:56 GMT -5
Even scammers and blaggers are human beings and if they require emergency duty it's ANYONE'S duty as a human being to treat them.
And frankly we have plenty of home-grown scasmmers and blaggers who abuse the system.
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Post by mouse on Jul 14, 2016 4:50:13 GMT -5
Even scammers and blaggers are human beings and if they require emergency duty it's ANYONE'S duty as a human being to treat them. And frankly we have plenty of home-grown scasmmers and blaggers who abuse the system. home grown scammers and blaggers abuse the system..indeed they do...and yes taking them in hand is long over due....but that is hardly the point..they and their families including parents grandparents etc etc will have paid their dues one way or another into the distant past ..either by working or even dying in war etc so they are a totally different issue this issue is about those who have never paid into the system who then feel they have a right to benefit from the labours of others..a right to abuse our medical system not only for them selves to for extended families a system where by any one coming into the country would have to produce insurance to cover costs would solve at least some but not all the problem ..we are not talking a broken leg or a few stitches in A&E.. those treatments are neither here or there..irelevent in the scheme of things the midwifery stystem is over burdened virtually to breaking point especially around the Heathrow and other airport areas... don't take my word for it check it out..there are enough reports from hospital managers and doctors those areas... and the non immediate emergency ailments of which catteracts are simply one the HIV cases coming in cost around 30,000 alone per person per year...its unsustainable and who gets penalised...the very people who fund via taxation etc etc and that is very wrong it wasn't set up as the world health service...its the national health service..the clue is in the word national as some one who is against council[state] housing...I fail to see why you are in favour of every Toma..,Aisha and Thabo being able to access a very important British institution and ripping it off for countless millions per year and denying our people treatments which should be their absolute right no innusrance not enter the country ..no insurance no treatment our people don't have a god given right to land in country of choice and demand treatment...quid pro quo |
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