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Post by ladylinda on Aug 17, 2015 19:33:16 GMT -5
When you're in an immediate situation you have to deal with that on an immediate basis.
That means showing compassion.
Of course things then need to be put on a more organised footing.
But the idea that there is anything other than a moral duty to help people suffering and to show them compassion is just plain disgusting.
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Post by men an tol on Aug 17, 2015 21:04:01 GMT -5
There are times when taking in refugees is the right thing to do. When Cuba went under the iron fist of Fidel Castro, the United States welcomed large numbers of refugees, and accepted the responsibility of helping them make the transition to becoming American citizens.
When Vietnam fell, the United States welcomed large numbers of refugees, and accepted the responsibility of helping them make the transition to becoming American citizens.
When the war in Bosnia ended, the United States welcome large numbers of refugees, and accepted the responsibility of helping them make the transition to becoming American citizens.
As a next door neighbor many have come from Mexico and most have joined the American society as productive members and become citizens, particularly those who have come legally.
Of course these refugees wanted to become American citizens joining American society.
On the other hand, many from Somalia and others from Islamic countries have come to the United States and these for the most part have remained 'apart' by choice and a significant number support in one way or another the enemies of the United States. Supporting such as these with food and shelter isn't being compassionate rather, it is rightly called, 'being stupid.'
While I believe that both sides have people who are sincere, does caring for immediate needs simply solve those immediate problems or do they address the root causes of the problems. Certainly providing food and shelter can make a person feel better, but is that really the goal or is it to serve the conscious of the one doing the giving?
Providing food and shelter also provides an incentive for more such individuals to also come to the United States to partake of the horn of plenty and yet, remain apart.
Clearly providing food and shelter doesn't address the needs nor the desires of these people. Providing food and shelter (with or without compassion) does nothing to solve the real problems and in fact pushes the problem farther down the road creating (over time) worse problems that will have to be addressed.
The problem for these people (the refugees who wish to bring their country and societies with them) can only be solved in their home countries. Facing that reality and then developing, and then implementing, a solution is being compassionate to these refugees. Simply accepting them, feeding them, and housing them,is not being compassionate but is rather simply doing things which make the giver feel good about themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 21:22:37 GMT -5
It's all part of the New World Order that is coming......flood the Western world with the dregs and you sink the culture and civilization. Rather than build the third world countries up, they will bring us to their level of living.
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Post by fretslider on Aug 18, 2015 4:13:43 GMT -5
It's all part of the New World Order that is coming......flood the Western world with the dregs and you sink the culture and civilization. Rather than build the third world countries up, they will bring us to their level of living. Most of these 'victims' have a faith in common, a faith that hasn't moved forward in 1400 years and won't progress over the next 1400, or the 1400 after that. |
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Post by fretslider on Aug 18, 2015 4:23:23 GMT -5
There are times when taking in refugees is the right thing to do. When Cuba went under the iron fist of Fidel Castro, the United States welcomed large numbers of refugees, and accepted the responsibility of helping them make the transition to becoming American citizens. When Vietnam fell, the United States welcomed large numbers of refugees, and accepted the responsibility of helping them make the transition to becoming American citizens. When the war in Bosnia ended, the United States welcome large numbers of refugees, and accepted the responsibility of helping them make the transition to becoming American citizens. As a next door neighbor many have come from Mexico and most have joined the American society as productive members and become citizens, particularly those who have come legally. Of course these refugees wanted to become American citizens joining American society. On the other hand, many from Somalia and others from Islamic countries have come to the United States and these for the most part have remained 'apart' by choice and a significant number support in one way or another the enemies of the United States. Supporting such as these with food and shelter isn't being compassionate rather, it is rightly called, 'being stupid.' While I believe that both sides have people who are sincere, does caring for immediate needs simply solve those immediate problems or do they address the root causes of the problems. Certainly providing food and shelter can make a person feel better, but is that really the goal or is it to serve the conscious of the one doing the giving? Providing food and shelter also provides an incentive for more such individuals to also come to the United States to partake of the horn of plenty and yet, remain apart. Clearly providing food and shelter doesn't address the needs nor the desires of these people. Providing food and shelter (with or without compassion) does nothing to solve the real problems and in fact pushes the problem farther down the road creating (over time) worse problems that will have to be addressed. The problem for these people (the refugees who wish to bring their country and societies with them) can only be solved in their home countries. Facing that reality and then developing, and then implementing, a solution is being compassionate to these refugees. Simply accepting them, feeding them, and housing them,is not being compassionate but is rather simply doing things which make the giver feel good about themselves. Similarly when Idi Amin threw the Asians out of Uganda we took them in, just like that. But this is a mass migraton of people from countries that are not at war. There's no famine, there's natural resources aplenty and agriculture is at an all time high. The end game is overwhelming numbers and de facto Islamisation. The question is why is this being facilitated? |
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Post by mouse on Aug 18, 2015 5:48:41 GMT -5
When you're in an immediate situation you have to deal with that on an immediate basis. That means showing compassion. Of course things then need to be put on a more organised footing. But the idea that there is anything other than a moral duty to help people suffering and to show them compassion is just plain disgusting. a great proportion of these people are NOT SUFFERING...nor were they suffering and they went through a safe country ie Turkey to get to the west...in other words they turned their backs on that safe country deliberately and went into yet another country uninvited to get to yet other countries....that shows deliberation...not the panic of refugees or those in great peril....muslims and yet do not wish to stay in a safe muslim country perhaps its the bounties of western lands they want..housing..benefits and no responsibility save your compassion for the real vicims..the raped...the maimed...the murdered and the enslaved victims if islam mindset....not those who are part of the problem |
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Post by beth on Aug 18, 2015 11:16:24 GMT -5
It's all part of the New World Order that is coming......flood the Western world with the dregs and you sink the culture and civilization. Rather than build the third world countries up, they will bring us to their level of living. Alex Jones? |
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Post by mouse on Aug 19, 2015 3:13:07 GMT -5
It's all part of the New World Order that is coming......flood the Western world with the dregs and you sink the culture and civilization. Rather than build the third world countries up, they will bring us to their level of living. its already happening a part of Sheffield I used to drive through..well set out new houses..then the tennents started to move in..and now its a n absolute slum..unpleasant and unkempt wouldn't look out of place in parts of the third world..and across every window is a piece of grimey cloth just dragged across ...it looks dire |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 16:59:54 GMT -5
It's all part of the New World Order that is coming......flood the Western world with the dregs and you sink the culture and civilization. Rather than build the third world countries up, they will bring us to their level of living. Alex Jones? I dont know who he is and I need to find the article I was reading...it made sense and I always wondered how Revelations was going to occur but we are getting peeks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 17:01:36 GMT -5
It's all part of the New World Order that is coming......flood the Western world with the dregs and you sink the culture and civilization. Rather than build the third world countries up, they will bring us to their level of living. its already happening a part of Sheffield I used to drive through..well set out new houses..then the tennents started to move in..and now its a n absolute slum..unpleasant and unkempt wouldn't look out of place in parts of the third world..and across every window is a piece of grimey cloth just dragged across ...it looks dire That is awful and heartbreaking plus to think our "leaders" are pushing this agenda is sickening |
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Post by mouse on Aug 20, 2015 3:11:51 GMT -5
its already happening a part of Sheffield I used to drive through..well set out new houses..then the tennents started to move in..and now its a n absolute slum..unpleasant and unkempt wouldn't look out of place in parts of the third world..and across every window is a piece of grimey cloth just dragged across ...it looks dire That is awful and heartbreaking plus to think our "leaders" are pushing this agenda is sickening what I really don't understsand is the reasoning behind we are told its because our populations are aging...but that doesn't make sense as less numbers of people are needed to work...so it should at least in theory equal its self out...and considering the numbers being imported the costs of keeping them and the added infrastructure needed again cancels out any benefits it certainly diminishes any social cohesion...at the same time that costs a small fortune to contend with divide and conquer appears to be the game...but why..who benefits from social unrest or is the long game...to stop any united opposition |
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