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Post by mouse on Aug 12, 2015 3:33:31 GMT -5
'There will be bloodshed': Stark warning from Greek mayor after Kos police use batons and fire extinguishers to break up 1,500 strong refugee protest at football stadium Migrants started pushing and shoving in a queue during a registration procedure at a stadium of Kos town There were only a handful of police officers left to control a crowd of approximately 1,500 jostling migrants Officers used were left trying to impose order on the crowd by hitting the fighting migrants with their batons Yorgos Kyritsis said island was 'out of control' adding: 'There is a real danger of uncontrollable situation The mayor of Kos has warned of impending 'bloodshed' after chaos broke out among 1,500 refugees who staged a protest at a football stadium, demanding food and shelter. Yorgos Kyritsis issued the warning as the holiday island descended into a battlefield, with police spraying migrants with fire extinguisher foam in an effort to get them to disperse. The incident took place during a registration procedure which was taking place at the stadium of Kos town, on the south east of the island. Mr Kyritsus lambasted the situation as being 'out of control', adding: 'There is a real danger of uncontrollable situations. Blood will be shed.' He claims there are already 7,000 migrants stranded on Kos which has a population of just 30,000 people. A handful of officers were left trying to impose order on the crowd by hitting the jostling migrants with batons and eventually resorted to blasting them with foam, causing hundreds to flee in panic Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193541/Europe-s-migrant-crisis-turns-violent-Police-Kos-attack-refugees-batons-fire-extinguishers-fights-broke-1-500-strong-sit-protest-demanding-food-shelter-registration.html#ixzz3iaUztItV Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Post by mouse on Aug 12, 2015 3:38:50 GMT -5
time to take a hard stance...demanding food and shelter ?just why do they think they are entitled to demand anything what they haven't been told in no uncertain terms is that the Greeks and the rest of Europe do not want them the whole of Europe is slowly turning into one big immigrant/migrant camp..and its unsustainable as for Turkey...just what is Turkey doing allowing these people to set off from their shores... utter madness...and so many of them are muslims..well why are they not trying to get into muslim countries...ship em over to Mecca and Medina and other Islamic paradices it will get more and more violent...but..every one understands a bullit
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Post by fretslider on Aug 12, 2015 3:50:31 GMT -5
'There will be bloodshed': Stark warning from Greek mayor after Kos police use batons and fire extinguishers to break up 1,500 strong refugee protest at football stadium Migrants started pushing and shoving in a queue during a registration procedure at a stadium of Kos town There were only a handful of police officers left to control a crowd of approximately 1,500 jostling migrants Officers used were left trying to impose order on the crowd by hitting the fighting migrants with their batons Yorgos Kyritsis said island was 'out of control' adding: 'There is a real danger of uncontrollable situation The mayor of Kos has warned of impending 'bloodshed' after chaos broke out among 1,500 refugees who staged a protest at a football stadium, demanding food and shelter. Yorgos Kyritsis issued the warning as the holiday island descended into a battlefield, with police spraying migrants with fire extinguisher foam in an effort to get them to disperse. The incident took place during a registration procedure which was taking place at the stadium of Kos town, on the south east of the island. Mr Kyritsus lambasted the situation as being 'out of control', adding: 'There is a real danger of uncontrollable situations. Blood will be shed.' He claims there are already 7,000 migrants stranded on Kos which has a population of just 30,000 people. A handful of officers were left trying to impose order on the crowd by hitting the jostling migrants with batons and eventually resorted to blasting them with foam, causing hundreds to flee in panic Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193541/Europe-s-migrant-crisis-turns-violent-Police-Kos-attack-refugees-batons-fire-extinguishers-fights-broke-1-500-strong-sit-protest-demanding-food-shelter-registration.html#ixzz3iaUztItV Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook You have to wonder what they've been told or believe about the west. It certainly doesn't tally with reality.
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 12, 2015 17:00:39 GMT -5
Maybe they imagine that people will show them compassion.
What a terrible way of looking at the world!
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Post by mouse on Aug 13, 2015 2:14:36 GMT -5
Maybe they imagine that people will show them compassion. What a terrible way of looking at the world! why would any one show them compassion ?? there is a limit to compassion which at a certain point that turns into stupidity what would be wrong in expecting the muslim world to look after their fellow muslims? while the non muslim world tackled the problems of the rest and why would they not be happy to be in muslim run countrys with da bruvers forget compassion its time to be very very realistic...problems are not solved by being stupid..already we have people in our own country who cannot get decent housing even though they have been on housing lists for ever..instead they are put up in B&B while those who have entered the country illegally get put up in hotels and given pocket money of £30 and council housing etc ...THAT IS A SITUATION THAT CAUSES TROUBLE..RESENTMENTS AND ANGER we cannot continue the way we are doing its quite irrational to even consider it....
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 13, 2015 8:39:29 GMT -5
Maybe they imagine that people will show them compassion. What a terrible way of looking at the world! why would any one show them compassion ?? there is a limit to compassion which at a certain point that turns into stupidity what would be wrong in expecting the muslim world to look after their fellow muslims? while the non muslim world tackled the problems of the rest and why would they not be happy to be in muslim run countrys with da bruvers forget compassion its time to be very very realistic...problems are not solved by being stupid..already we have people in our own country who cannot get decent housing even though they have been on housing lists for ever..instead they are put up in B&B while those who have entered the country illegally get put up in hotels and given pocket money of £30 and council housing etc ...THAT IS A SITUATION THAT CAUSES TROUBLE..RESENTMENTS AND ANGER we cannot continue the way we are doing its quite irrational to even consider it.... Why would anyone show them compassion? Because that's what people with normal human feelings do when they're confronted with human suffering.
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 14, 2015 17:20:55 GMT -5
Why would anyone show them compassion? Because that's what people with normal human feelings do when they're confronted with human suffering. COMPASSION never solved a problem.. as for suffering...as I said before I will save my compassion for the real victims...not those part of the problem and I would welcome the real victims....but not those part of the problem the majority as we all know are fit young men who if they put as much effort and money into changing their countries at least I could respect them Compassion is always the right solution to the problem of human suffering. You know, in the 1930s when Jews were fleeing Nazi persecution people said the same about them. People said the same about people fleeing Communist persecution. Without compassion we stop being human beings.
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Post by mouse on Aug 15, 2015 0:56:30 GMT -5
COMPASSION never solved a problem.. as for suffering...as I said before I will save my compassion for the real victims...not those part of the problem and I would welcome the real victims....but not those part of the problem the majority as we all know are fit young men who if they put as much effort and money into changing their countries at least I could respect them Compassion is always the right solution to the problem of human suffering. You know, in the 1930s when Jews were fleeing Nazi persecution people said the same about them. People said the same about people fleeing Communist persecution. Without compassion we stop being human beings. compassion didn't help the Jews..or those fleeing perseqution compassion is an emotional response which in its self is useless...what helped were people who aided them..hid them..organised passports ..ships etc etc one can have as much compassion as like ..one can stand and wring ones hands..and say how terrible..it solves nothing and will repeat..fit young men running away instead of standing and fighting for a better life are part of the problem...nothing changes if people dont demand and insist on change..i have absolutely no time for chancers
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Post by mouse on Aug 15, 2015 1:29:46 GMT -5
COMPASSION never solved a problem.. as for suffering...as I said before I will save my compassion for the real victims...not those part of the problem and I would welcome the real victims....but not those part of the problem the majority as we all know are fit young men who if they put as much effort and money into changing their countries at least I could respect them as for those of the middle east...save your sympathy for the real victims of isis,s march the women bought and sold..sex slaves..young children seeing things no child should ever see...and of course the Christians and others murderd and worse I feel very sorry for the Greeks having to put up with these people ..people who not only entered their country ilgally....instead of being grateful..they make demands and are ruining the livilyhoods of many as tourists switch destinations and go elsewhere the fact that so many from the Mideast make their way through Turkey a muslim country..why are they NOT stopping in Turkey..what is wrong with Turkey...why are they NOT happy to stay in that mainly muslim country and the other countries around the area
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 15, 2015 16:35:28 GMT -5
We've obviously got a fundamental moral disagreement.
To me, compassion is the root of all morality and justice; to you, it's all about - well, what exactly?
Xenophobia? The weakest go to the wall? Or what?
At least I've got a consistent moral position; yours doesn't even seem to be obvious.
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Post by mouse on Aug 15, 2015 21:58:48 GMT -5
xenophobia..lawdy lin ..get real as for the weakest they are the ones left behind not the ones who are fit and healthy .. I think with my head rather than with emotion...emotions do not solve problems emotions do not feed people.. but my sympathies lie with the real victims..the raped the enslaved the murdered etc etc..not with runnaways who are part of the problem
and to impose yourself on another peoples and then to make demands..that is simply wrong...especially as the majority of these people had already reached a place of safty[Turkey]...and turned their back on it away from it...
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Post by fretslider on Aug 16, 2015 5:38:15 GMT -5
We've obviously got a fundamental moral disagreement. To me, compassion is the root of all morality and justice; to you, it's all about - well, what exactly? Xenophobia? The weakest go to the wall? Or what? At least I've got a consistent moral position; yours doesn't even seem to be obvious. Every person I've spoken with, thus far, who says we should allow the migrants in is reluctant in the extreme to house one, feed one and give them a little pocket money each week at their own expense. It's a real chance to show real compassion, but no..... Compassion is usually getting other people to pay to assuage one's irrational emotional state. Not this time. Let Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Iran etc etc etc pitch in, there is no reason they have to come to Europe at all.
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Post by Dex on Aug 16, 2015 14:54:36 GMT -5
We've obviously got a fundamental moral disagreement. To me, compassion is the root of all morality and justice; to you, it's all about - well, what exactly? Xenophobia? The weakest go to the wall? Or what? At least I've got a consistent moral position; yours doesn't even seem to be obvious. Every person I've spoken with, thus far, who says we should allow the migrants in is reluctant in the extreme to house one, feed one and give them a little pocket money each week at their own expense. It's a real chance to show real compassion, but no..... Compassion is usually getting other people to pay to assuage one's irrational emotional state. Not this time. Let Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Iran etc etc etc pitch in, there is no reason they have to come to Europe at all. My wife and I were talking about this. When we see kids (poor kids) at the school bus stop shivering in old worn out clothes, we know it won't be long before they will be given coats and other things they need. The system here is real good about helping kids that way. If people jumped in and started giving them things they would lose out on some of the aid programs.
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Post by men an tol on Aug 16, 2015 15:56:26 GMT -5
We've obviously got a fundamental moral disagreement. To me, compassion is the root of all morality and justice; to you, it's all about - well, what exactly? Xenophobia? The weakest go to the wall? Or what? At least I've got a consistent moral position; yours doesn't even seem to be obvious. Compassion? Or is it compounding the problem? Compassion is to develop a solution and implement it. Putting people in tent cities or something similar is merely kicking the can down the road. It isn't fixing the problem. Assume that the majority of these people come to the West because of potential death and harm exists in their own country. Just letting them in only ends up feeding them as if they were cattle and that does nothing to fix the problem. What great compassion that is to the children involved. If they are kept in such an environment they will never get a way out of their situation. So, if we are truly compassionate, we will fix the problem in their own country, even if we have to take it over and toss out the current government. But even with such a move it will not work unless these people are willing to become involved with taking their country back and rebuilding it. The problem must be fixed in their home countries. Fixing the problem 'is' the moral position. Helping them to fix the problem in their own country 'is' the moral position. Housing them and feeding them and caring for them as if they are not human but rather cattle is not moral!
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Post by mouse on Aug 17, 2015 2:43:55 GMT -5
thankyou Fret and Men...the concept of the greater good is or appears to be a European mindset I too have asked the same question as Fret how about putting money where mouth is...and ever time the answer comes..""well we are a wealthy country blah blah blah"""no one wants to take individual resposibility the Jewish chap who is funding escape lines for the true victims of ISIS is putting his money where his moth is..he is dealing with the realities...of the true victms as men says..compassion compounds the problem...and as for tent cities they solve nothing and in fact open up a whole new series of problems which all get worse as time goes by..tent cities solve nothing isis is spawned from the Islamic mindset...we should not have even considered allowing that mindset into Europe..but we have and now must deal with it of course its not only a muslim mindset..its the mindset of many from eastern Europe too...
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