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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 16:39:56 GMT -5
the simple REALITY is that you, and you alone, are SOLELY responsible for each and every, without exception, thought that you have, and action that you take. there is NO outside force which coerces you to do or think anything, ever. a case in point would extend even to a robber pulling a gun on you and demanding your money. YOU, not the robber, makes the choice to either tell him to f..k off, take the gun away from him, or give him your money. the robber cannot FORCE you to do any of the three. it is solely your choice. the fact that there could be adverse consequences to making a bad decision in any given situation does NOT change the fact that it is you, and you alone, who is totally responsible for making that decision Jim, if it was true that each individual was solely responsible for each and every thought they have, what is the point of education? What is the point of even talking to one another?
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Post by fretslider on Jan 29, 2011 16:56:26 GMT -5
Don't be embarrassed, jumbo. It is hard to fathom. Because it is hard to fathom doesn't mean its bs though. there's nothing hard to fathom about it at all. it is simply abject stupidity whose sole purpose is to make you feel good thinking that nothing is your fault since you have no control over your actions. as i said, it's pure bullshyt, with a capital B So in your science-speak, Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schroedinger, and many others were full of shyte. That's it? That's your argument? Einstein had serious theoretical issues with quantum mechanics and tried for many years to disprove or modify it. But he couldn't, so you too will fail in that endeavour, jumbo. Lets take particle/wave duality. The allegation is that it is shyte, but in reality....the experiment has been done countless times and always with the same result: the particle passes through the two slits as a wave would. What is real at the macro level and what is real at the sub-atomic level are completely different things and as your post indicates, like everybody else.... you haven't got your head round it.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 29, 2011 18:09:00 GMT -5
the simple REALITY is that you, and you alone, are SOLELY responsible for each and every, without exception, thought that you have, and action that you take. there is NO outside force which coerces you to do or think anything, ever. a case in point would extend even to a robber pulling a gun on you and demanding your money. YOU, not the robber, makes the choice to either tell him to f..k off, take the gun away from him, or give him your money. the robber cannot FORCE you to do any of the three. it is solely your choice. the fact that there could be adverse consequences to making a bad decision in any given situation does NOT change the fact that it is you, and you alone, who is totally responsible for making that decision Jim, if it was true that each individual was solely responsible for each and every thought they have, what is the point of education? What is the point of even talking to one another? that IS the point. we talk, debate, or teach in an effort to get someone else to think as we do. no matter how hard we try however, we cannot force the other to accept what we say and believe that way. no matter how hard i try to persuade you on any subject, YOU make the only determination. as i always say, i can only turn on the light for you, i cannot force you to open your eyes and see it. you are the only one that can do that. that is true of every individual on the face of the earth.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 29, 2011 18:12:29 GMT -5
there's nothing hard to fathom about it at all. it is simply abject stupidity whose sole purpose is to make you feel good thinking that nothing is your fault since you have no control over your actions. as i said, it's pure bullshyt, with a capital B So in your science-speak, Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schroedinger, and many others were full of shyte. That's it? That's your argument? Einstein had serious theoretical issues with quantum mechanics and tried for many years to disprove or modify it. But he couldn't, so you too will fail in that endeavour, jumbo. Lets take particle/wave duality. The allegation is that it is shyte, but in reality....the experiment has been done countless times and always with the same result: the particle passes through the two slits as a wave would. What is real at the macro level and what is real at the sub-atomic level are completely different things and as your post indicates, like everybody else.... you haven't got your head round it. of course, we are not talking about the sub atomic level. we are talking about everyday life. hell, i can conclusively prove that 2x2=1. of course, that only applies in electronics with resistors in parallel. it does not apply to my expecting you to give me correct change
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Post by Erasmus on Jan 29, 2011 18:15:24 GMT -5
that IS the point. we talk, debate, or teach in an effort to get someone else to think as we do. no matter how hard we try however, we cannot force the other to accept what we say and believe that way. no matter how hard i try to persuade you on any subject, YOU make the only determination. as i always say, i can only turn on the light for you, i cannot force you to open your eyes and see it. you are the only one that can do that. that is true of every individual on the face of the earth. Therein lies the problem: we can't even agree on why we discuss matters. I certainly don't spend my time teaching in order to get someone else to think as I do. I don't have the arrogance to assume that the way I think is necessarily right - I just take it that for me at least, it is the least wrong. I discuss to learn where other people are coming from, so they will understand why I think as I do, and to see if we aren't in fact looking at the same thing from different angles and can reach a deeper agreement. I will also point to outright lies and deceptions if necessary and require people to question their own beliefs in the light of further information.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 29, 2011 18:58:52 GMT -5
that IS the point. we talk, debate, or teach in an effort to get someone else to think as we do. no matter how hard we try however, we cannot force the other to accept what we say and believe that way. no matter how hard i try to persuade you on any subject, YOU make the only determination. as i always say, i can only turn on the light for you, i cannot force you to open your eyes and see it. you are the only one that can do that. that is true of every individual on the face of the earth. Therein lies the problem: we can't even agree on why we discuss matters. I certainly don't spend my time teaching in order to get someone else to think as I do. I don't have the arrogance to assume that the way I think is necessarily right - I just take it that for me at least, it is the least wrong. I discuss to learn where other people are coming from, so they will understand why I think as I do, and to see if we aren't in fact looking at the same thing from different angles and can reach a deeper agreement. I will also point to outright lies and deceptions if necessary and require people to question their own beliefs in the light of further information. that could be all well and good, but of course, you can require, or demand, or whatever than another person question their own beliefs, but you CANNOT force them to do so if they choose not to nonetheless, your first paragraph is patently false. your incessant diatribes against feminists underscores that. you are absolutely certain that feminists are evil, and if god himself came down, tapped you on the shoulder, and told you that you are wrong, you wouldn't accept it
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