|
|
Post by mouse on Aug 31, 2014 6:25:14 GMT -5
What links UK jihadis and Rotherham sex abusers? Mosques failing to give them moral leadership says LORD AHMED Lord Ahmed - Britain's first Muslim peer As a proud Muslim and proud Rotherham lad, who came here from Kashmir in Pakistan with my parents aged 11, I was shocked by the disclosure of appalling sexual abuse of young girls in the town. All of us in Rotherham – parents, police, councillors and politicians – must ask ourselves how we came to fail our young people so badly. It comes hard on the heels of the realisation that hundreds of young British Muslims have gone to Syria and Iraq to fight for Islamic State (IS) and one may have been involved in beheading US journalist James Foley. On the face of it, there is no obvious connection between the two. But I believe if we are to prevent a repeat of these disturbing events, the British-Pakistani community must confront some uncomfortable truths. One of the most important of these is that most of Britain’s 1,400 mosques – which traditionally provide moral leadership and guidance to Muslim communities – are incapable of performing such a role in 21st Century Britain. Some mosques try hard to help young Muslims deal with the pressures and are respected and revered. But others fail dismally and, in my view, this has been a major contributory factor to the problems we face with young British-Pakistani adolescents. Many mosques have no idea how to lead or guide young men struggling to come to terms with being a Muslim in a modern country. These men need help with issues such as sex education, teenage pregnancy, drink and drugs – all the things other young people have to cope with. But they are taboo in most mosques. If a British-Pakistani boy tried to talk to an imam about it, he would look at him blankly. Many mosques are dangerously cut off from the rest of society, rooted in the ancient world, not the modern one. This approach is reflected by the way imams behave. Many rarely mix with other faiths, which is wrong. They should be encouraged to visit other places of worship to break down barriers between faiths and learn how others tackle these problems. This inward-looking view is mirrored by the proliferation of satellite TV stations, on which rival British-based Sunni and Shia imams attack each other Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2738704/What-links-UK-jihadis-Rotherham-sex-abusers-Mosques-failing-moral-leadership-says-LORD-AHMED.html#ixzz3By4ev9cW Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
|
|
|
Post by mouse on Aug 31, 2014 6:28:09 GMT -5
the link is islam...mosques are only a part of the problem
but this man is saying too little and too late the damage is done..20yrs of groomings known about and ignored
yrs of demands and lack of condemnation on these and other isues......smacks of damage limitation and self preservation
""""I cannot think of any other organisation in this country with such influence and vast resources that is allowed to operate with such little scrutiny. This is not acceptable.
Another uncomfortable truth for the British-Pakistani community is the way it responds to the malign influence of so-called radical Muslim clerics in the UK, such as Anjem Choudary.
He said the beheading of James Foley was justified under sharia law, has defended the September 11 attacks in New York and one of the killers of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich. Decent law-abiding British Muslims are appalled by his antics. Most think he should be locked up. Imams should take the lead in condemning people like him and make it clear that we don’t want people like that in our country, influencing impressionable young people.""""""
|
|
|
|
Post by markindurham on Aug 31, 2014 9:28:02 GMT -5
Booker has waded in too www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11064290/Rotherham-the-real-scandal-is-much-wider.htmlSo too has the Labour MP for Rochdale - he's brave... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11066244/Rotherham-is-not-an-isolated-incident.htmlQUOTE Some are poor men from rural Kashmiri communities, or second- or third-generation Kashmiris or Pakistanis who have developed or inherited an openly violent misogyny. I visited one abuser in prison – he’d attacked a female prostitute with a hammer and was clearly mentally ill. I asked the family about his wife, who’d come over from Kashmir two years before and spoke no English, only to be told that she knew he was in prison but wasn’t aware of the crimes he’d committed. I’ve also had family members come to my surgery asking me to make representations on behalf of brothers who have been found guilty of child sex abuse. When I refuse, I frequently receive a tirade of abuse. “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me. As a Labour politician, it can be difficult challenging some of these issues, but you can’t ignore child abuse and violent misogyny. Three years ago, former home secretary Jack Straw said some Pakistani men see white girls as “easy meat” for abuse. He was accused of perpetuating racist attitudes. Like all political parties, the Labour Party is a broad church. But I fear too many hold the view expressed by former Rotherham MP, Denis MacShane, last week. He avoided child abuse in his constituency, he told the BBC, because he was “a Guardian-reading liberal Leftie” and didn’t want to “rock the multicultural community boat”. Last week I received a text message from a current Labour MP saying she was disappointed by my views on this issue. I was only elected in 2010 and already I’ve found that politicians are sometimes discouraged from exploring and investigating complex issues because they’re expected to stay tethered to a dominant ideology and not stray far from the stock replies to difficult questions. This does nothing to strengthen democracy. It weakens it, and creates cynicism. The public want to see matters like this discussed and they want politicians to come up with answers, not just endless hand-wringing. UNQUOTE Shocking. However, what's even more shocking is the section I've highlighted. THERE is Labour's real attitude - don't upset the block vote... |
|
|
|
Post by fretslider on Aug 31, 2014 15:37:45 GMT -5
Booker has waded in too www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11064290/Rotherham-the-real-scandal-is-much-wider.htmlSo too has the Labour MP for Rochdale - he's brave... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11066244/Rotherham-is-not-an-isolated-incident.htmlQUOTE Some are poor men from rural Kashmiri communities, or second- or third-generation Kashmiris or Pakistanis who have developed or inherited an openly violent misogyny. I visited one abuser in prison – he’d attacked a female prostitute with a hammer and was clearly mentally ill. I asked the family about his wife, who’d come over from Kashmir two years before and spoke no English, only to be told that she knew he was in prison but wasn’t aware of the crimes he’d committed. I’ve also had family members come to my surgery asking me to make representations on behalf of brothers who have been found guilty of child sex abuse. When I refuse, I frequently receive a tirade of abuse. “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me. As a Labour politician, it can be difficult challenging some of these issues, but you can’t ignore child abuse and violent misogyny. Three years ago, former home secretary Jack Straw said some Pakistani men see white girls as “easy meat” for abuse. He was accused of perpetuating racist attitudes. Like all political parties, the Labour Party is a broad church. But I fear too many hold the view expressed by former Rotherham MP, Denis MacShane, last week. He avoided child abuse in his constituency, he told the BBC, because he was “a Guardian-reading liberal Leftie” and didn’t want to “rock the multicultural community boat”. Last week I received a text message from a current Labour MP saying she was disappointed by my views on this issue. I was only elected in 2010 and already I’ve found that politicians are sometimes discouraged from exploring and investigating complex issues because they’re expected to stay tethered to a dominant ideology and not stray far from the stock replies to difficult questions. This does nothing to strengthen democracy. It weakens it, and creates cynicism. The public want to see matters like this discussed and they want politicians to come up with answers, not just endless hand-wringing. UNQUOTE Shocking. However, what's even more shocking is the section I've highlighted. THERE is Labour's real attitude - don't upset the block vote... “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me." The standard tactic |
|
|
|
Post by markindurham on Sept 1, 2014 0:09:49 GMT -5
Booker has waded in too www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11064290/Rotherham-the-real-scandal-is-much-wider.htmlSo too has the Labour MP for Rochdale - he's brave... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11066244/Rotherham-is-not-an-isolated-incident.htmlQUOTE Some are poor men from rural Kashmiri communities, or second- or third-generation Kashmiris or Pakistanis who have developed or inherited an openly violent misogyny. I visited one abuser in prison – he’d attacked a female prostitute with a hammer and was clearly mentally ill. I asked the family about his wife, who’d come over from Kashmir two years before and spoke no English, only to be told that she knew he was in prison but wasn’t aware of the crimes he’d committed. I’ve also had family members come to my surgery asking me to make representations on behalf of brothers who have been found guilty of child sex abuse. When I refuse, I frequently receive a tirade of abuse. “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me. As a Labour politician, it can be difficult challenging some of these issues, but you can’t ignore child abuse and violent misogyny. Three years ago, former home secretary Jack Straw said some Pakistani men see white girls as “easy meat” for abuse. He was accused of perpetuating racist attitudes. Like all political parties, the Labour Party is a broad church. But I fear too many hold the view expressed by former Rotherham MP, Denis MacShane, last week. He avoided child abuse in his constituency, he told the BBC, because he was “a Guardian-reading liberal Leftie” and didn’t want to “rock the multicultural community boat”. Last week I received a text message from a current Labour MP saying she was disappointed by my views on this issue. I was only elected in 2010 and already I’ve found that politicians are sometimes discouraged from exploring and investigating complex issues because they’re expected to stay tethered to a dominant ideology and not stray far from the stock replies to difficult questions. This does nothing to strengthen democracy. It weakens it, and creates cynicism. The public want to see matters like this discussed and they want politicians to come up with answers, not just endless hand-wringing. UNQUOTE Shocking. However, what's even more shocking is the section I've highlighted. THERE is Labour's real attitude - don't upset the block vote... “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me." The standard tactic Yes, the 'Block Vote' that we have been culturally enriched* by - the one which some politicians are in denial about - and another reason to get rid of postal votes for all except genuinely needy folk...but then there would be claims of, inter alia, 'profiling'... FFS  * just so that there is no doubt, that was irony... |
|
|
|
Post by markindurham on Sept 1, 2014 0:18:09 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by fretslider on Sept 1, 2014 2:25:58 GMT -5
They haven't reported anything so far where terrorism and killing are concerned, so why would they make a start with raping (allegedly) worthless white girls? Multiculturalism has failed and now we need someone to openly state the obvious. |
|
|
|
Post by markindurham on Sept 1, 2014 3:29:27 GMT -5
They haven't reported anything so far where terrorism and killing are concerned, so why would they make a start with raping (allegedly) worthless white girls? Multiculturalism has failed and now we need someone to openly state the obvious. Quite so. All the fine words spouted do not resolve the issue. Action is needed, and absent action the rest is meaningless. |
|
Alpha 
