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Post by mouse on Apr 6, 2014 4:00:50 GMT -5
Bid to bring forward GCSEs so Muslim pupils aren't fasting for Ramadan while they take their exams Efforts to 'minimise impact' will be debated at ATL conference this month Exam watchdog Ofqual has met with Muslim groups to discuss the issue Suggestions include holding exams in morning when pupils are less hungry GCSE and A-level examinations could be brought forward for hundreds of thousands of pupils to avoid a clash with Ramadan under controversial proposals. Teachers and lecturers in England and Wales are pushing for the summer exam timetable to be altered to help Muslim students who will be fasting when they sit papers. School exam boards and universities are considering the radical shake-up from 2016, when the religious period of Ramadan clashes with the exam season. Fast: A girl reads from the Koran on the last Friday of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan (file photo). Muslims across the world abstain from eating and drinking from sunrise to sunset during the period One option is to hold some exams earlier within the usual May-June exam season. Another is for fasting Muslim students to be eligible for extra marks under ‘special consideration’ rules if they believe their performance has been affected. The holy period in the Islamic calendar, which requires Muslims to fast during daylight hours, starts to fall earlier and earlier in the summer from next year, progressively clashing with the exam season in June Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597832/Bid-bring-forward-GCSEs-Muslim-pupils-arent-fasting-Ramadan-exams.html#ixzz2y5wykNtt Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Post by mouse on Apr 6, 2014 4:04:02 GMT -5
another example of drip drip drip odd..we have never had special treatment for jews..Sikhs..hindus and other assorted groups
"""""Another is for fasting Muslim students to be eligible for extra marks under ‘special consideration’ rules if they believe their performance has been affected.""""" WHY are they not just award marks regardless of whether they turn up for the exam or not...talk about dhimmini and lying down and being a carpet
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Post by markindurham on Apr 6, 2014 4:32:42 GMT -5
another example of drip drip drip odd..we have never had special treatment for jews..Sikhs..hindus and other assorted groups """""Another is for fasting Muslim students to be eligible for extra marks under ‘special consideration’ rules if they believe their performance has been affected.""""" WHY are they not just award marks regardless of whether they turn up for the exam or not...talk about dhimmini and lying down and being a carpet Absolutely. There have never been 'allowances' made for other groups, certainly not to this extent. Madness.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 6, 2014 4:36:02 GMT -5
another example of drip drip drip odd..we have never had special treatment for jews..Sikhs..hindus and other assorted groups """""Another is for fasting Muslim students to be eligible for extra marks under ‘special consideration’ rules if they believe their performance has been affected.""""" WHY are they not just award marks regardless of whether they turn up for the exam or not...talk about dhimmini and lying down and being a carpet Anyway, what about the bit in their handbook about obeying the laws & respecting the culture of their new home? Oh, silly me, no doubt that taqiyya thing kicks in...
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Post by fretslider on Apr 6, 2014 4:37:09 GMT -5
fasting Muslim students to be eligible for extra marks under ‘special consideration’ rules if they believe their performance has been affected.
Why not save the bother and expense and just give them A*s
Nobody has the balls to tell them to like it or lump it
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Post by markindurham on Apr 6, 2014 4:44:18 GMT -5
fasting Muslim students to be eligible for extra marks under ‘special consideration’ rules if they believe their performance has been affected.
Why not save the bother and expense and just give them A*s Nobody has the balls to tell them to like it or lump it Cadets from a certain Arabian Gulf nation were quite shocked, a few years ago, to discover that they had to actually pass the examinations at the end of their training courses in order to attain their Certificates of Competency from the UK Authorities. Their employers kicked off about it too, demanding that Certificates were issued regardless, "as they'd paid good money for their Cadets to attend", but were told to jog on by the marine schools. smiley 1
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Apr 6, 2014 5:36:39 GMT -5
As well as permitting non-halal consumption when halal is not available I'm fairly certain the book of death and woman-hatred also stipulates that it is permitted to break ramadan when harm to the person would occur and so on. One could argue that harm could be done to the individual via disadvantage in the career stakes so getting some calories in on exam day shouldn't be a problem. Besides, it's all a load of fairy stories so just make sure no-one's watching when you scoff. The almighty certainly won't be, being as he is a figment of an easily-led over-active imagination.
Or just get up early and have a really good breakfast before dawn breaks.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 6, 2014 5:40:15 GMT -5
As well as permitting non-halal consumption when halal is not available I'm fairly certain the book of death and woman-hatred also stipulates that it is permitted to break ramadan when harm to the person would occur and so on. One could argue that harm could be done to the individual via disadvantage in the career stakes so getting some calories in on exam day shouldn't be a problem. Besides, it's all a load of fairy stories so just make sure no-one's watching when you scoff. The almighty certainly won't be, being as he is a figment of an easily-led over-active imagination. Or just get up early and have a really good breakfast before dawn breaks. As mouse rightly said, drip drip drip...
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Post by mouse on Apr 6, 2014 6:52:34 GMT -5
As well as permitting non-halal consumption when halal is not available I'm fairly certain the book of death and woman-hatred also stipulates that it is permitted to break ramadan when harm to the person would occur and so on. One could argue that harm could be done to the individual via disadvantage in the career stakes so getting some calories in on exam day shouldn't be a problem. Besides, it's all a load of fairy stories so just make sure no-one's watching when you scoff. The almighty certainly won't be, being as he is a figment of an easily-led over-active imagination. Or just get up early and have a really good breakfast before dawn breaks. the trouble is NONE OF OUR USELESS so called leaders has the foggiest idea of what these people are allowed to do or what their rules are..because if they did they could game check and match at every turn..the best way to deal with them is to throw their rules right back at them..including the following of laws when in a none muslim country.......that way our prisons would not be over populated and people would not be murdered on their own streets by these creatures...talk about aiding and abetting in ones own downfall..its mindbending
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Post by fretslider on Apr 6, 2014 11:45:38 GMT -5
fasting Muslim students to be eligible for extra marks under ‘special consideration’ rules if they believe their performance has been affected.
Why not save the bother and expense and just give them A*s Nobody has the balls to tell them to like it or lump it Cadets from a certain Arabian Gulf nation were quite shocked, a few years ago, to discover that they had to actually pass the examinations at the end of their training courses in order to attain their Certificates of Competency from the UK Authorities. Their employers kicked off about it too, demanding that Certificates were issued regardless, "as they'd paid good money for their Cadets to attend", but were told to jog on by the marine schools. smiley 1 A rather steeper learning curve than they bargained for
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Post by markindurham on Apr 6, 2014 13:29:35 GMT -5
Just in case certain folk thought this story was the Mail stirring it again, here's the Telegraph's report www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10747818/Plans-to-overhaul-GCSE-timetable-to-avoid-clash-with-Ramadan.html<<However, Chris McGovern, a former head teacher and spokesman for the Campaign for Real Education, said he would be against making changes to the exam timetable for the benefit of Muslim pupils. Instead, he called on Islamic leaders to allow students sitting exams to be exempt from fasting during Ramadan. He said: "The example I always give is Eric Liddell refusing to compete on a Sunday at the Paris Olympics in 1924 because of his strong Christian faith. " The organisers weren't prepared to rearrange the Olympic timetable just for him and in the same way you couldn't expect the exam boards to change the timetable just for Muslim pupils. " It's not about not respecting any particular religion, it's about being fair to all pupils. "For example, if you move an English exam to Tuesday morning because that better suits someone who is fasting, then that might disadvantage a non-Muslim pupil who could then find themselves with two exams in one day rather than one. "If one religious group is given particular consideration, it could cause resentment and could potentially be very divisive. Exams are a secular thing and they should stay that way." I think students who are Muslims should take guidance from their leaders regarding the requirements of Ramadan. My understanding is that exemptions are possible." >> Quite so.
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Apr 6, 2014 13:48:06 GMT -5
Just in case certain folk thought this story was the Mail stirring it again, here's the Telegraph's report www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10747818/Plans-to-overhaul-GCSE-timetable-to-avoid-clash-with-Ramadan.html<<However, Chris McGovern, a former head teacher and spokesman for the Campaign for Real Education, said he would be against making changes to the exam timetable for the benefit of Muslim pupils. Instead, he called on Islamic leaders to allow students sitting exams to be exempt from fasting during Ramadan. He said: "The example I always give is Eric Liddell refusing to compete on a Sunday at the Paris Olympics in 1924 because of his strong Christian faith. " The organisers weren't prepared to rearrange the Olympic timetable just for him and in the same way you couldn't expect the exam boards to change the timetable just for Muslim pupils. " It's not about not respecting any particular religion, it's about being fair to all pupils. "For example, if you move an English exam to Tuesday morning because that better suits someone who is fasting, then that might disadvantage a non-Muslim pupil who could then find themselves with two exams in one day rather than one. "If one religious group is given particular consideration, it could cause resentment and could potentially be very divisive. Exams are a secular thing and they should stay that way." I think students who are Muslims should take guidance from their leaders regarding the requirements of Ramadan. My understanding is that exemptions are possible." >> Quite so. Especially when, out of a population of 63m (predicted to be 68m in 2015!), there's only 2,706,066 muslims. As only around 4m of the entire population are of examinable age (i.e 15-19 years old) then you're looking at only about 160,000 tops so affected (on the rough guide fag packet assumption that, as muslims make up about 4% of the population, 4% of the examinable bracket will be muslim - cock-eyed bollix, I know, but it's Sunday and I can't be arsed to find out the actual number of muslims in secondary education who will be sitting GCSEs for the next three or four years right now. Assumption is good enough for me at this time - regardless of its "mother of all vertical fornications" status). Out of a population of 63,182,000, from 2011 census...). Source for numerical bits.
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Apr 6, 2014 13:54:08 GMT -5
Actually, I wonder what the real population is? All those illegals that slipped into the black economy doubtless didn't return a census. And I know it's out by at least one because I didn't return mine.
Was all ready to point out that I went to sea before the form was sent out and got home well after it was due in but no-one's every written or visited to ask why I didn't return my census. Which it turns out I never received anyway.
I gather there was quite a lot of people whose forms never made it to their letterbox, too (so presumably they're not counted - well, the ones that didn't pipe up and say they hadn't had a form or who didn't just go and do it online, that is). Made the papers, if I recall almost correctly. Still, now that Royal Mail is privatised I'm sure there will be 100% delivery rate in 2021.
And I won't return that one, either.
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Apr 6, 2014 13:56:49 GMT -5
Actually, that online thing was a bit of a money-burner, too. All 25m households sent a chunky form that you could fill in online - but you needed the reference number from the paper form to do it.
Why not just send a letter with the reference on it for online filing and a tear-off-and-return chit for those not online or baffled by it to apply to be sent a paper form. Thus, not as high a postage rate, not as many forms needed, not as many bunged in the landfill bag by those too lazy to sort their waste but savvy enough to return their census via t'interweb.
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Post by markindurham on Apr 6, 2014 14:15:36 GMT -5
Actually, I wonder what the real population is? All those illegals that slipped into the black economy doubtless didn't return a census. And I know it's out by at least one because I didn't return mine. Was already to point out that I went to sea before the form was sent out and got home well after it was due in but no-one's every written or visited to ask why I didn't return my census. Which it turns out I never received anyway. I gather there was quite a lot of people whose forms never made it to their letterbox, too (so presumably they're not counted - well, the ones that didn't pipe up and say they hadn't had a form or who didn't just go and do it online, that is). Made the papers, if I recall almost correctly. Still, now that Royal Mail is privatised I'm sure there will be 100% delivery rate in 2021. And I won't return that one, either. Exactly. As we have discussed before, the best indication of population growth is, of all things, sewage flow rates . Think about it - you can keep your head down as much as possible regarding getting paid 'cash in hand', avoiding registering for healthcare etc etc, but unless you're one of that wonderful group notorious for moving onto private land illegally, stopping for a while & then moving on, leaving behind all sorts of rubbish including piles of human bodily waste, then you're going to be using the loo somewhere... ...and all piped sewage has to be treated these days, and flow rates are monitored, so it's easy to compare throughput against known population for the area served by the treatment plant. Higher rate than expected means that there's more folk there than there should be, according to the records...
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