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Post by markindurham on Feb 23, 2014 6:36:18 GMT -5
P.S. to say: I posted the above without looking at mouse's post. Great minds and all that!! I suspect that we're (almost) all pretty much in agreement, maggie
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Post by maggie on Feb 23, 2014 6:37:11 GMT -5
P.S. to say: I posted the above without looking at mouse's post. Great minds and all that!! I suspect that we're (almost) all pretty much in agreement, maggie I think most of us are Mark!
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Feb 23, 2014 6:42:59 GMT -5
I wish we had tougher justice here....... for everyone who commits a crime.
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Post by maggie on Feb 23, 2014 6:55:16 GMT -5
I wish we had tougher justice here....... for everyone who commits a crime. That's not you is it Tempus, in one of your disguises?
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Post by mouse on Feb 23, 2014 7:17:44 GMT -5
absolutely...OUR land not theirs in regard to this lot the gyspys....having been treated vilely for so many centuries after being kicked out of muslim lands by the ROP...they then come to a reasonably fair country7 where they then abuse the hospitality of the inhabitents...and whats more their attitude is they have done nothing wrong via their smirking etc there is no excuse for their behaviour..none at all....they know the difference between right and wrong of course if we were governed by those who had a spine....their behaviour would have consequences....but we are not and so they will go to prison and find its a 5star luxury compared to the conditions they have lived in before..so not a punishment at all
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Feb 23, 2014 9:15:54 GMT -5
That's not you is it Tempus, in one of your disguises? If I had that physique I'd be a very happy camper!
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Post by ladylinda on Feb 23, 2014 19:29:05 GMT -5
Maggie's post was nice and though I disagree with her she was polite and didn't talk to me as if I was a halfwit.
I wish I could say the same about the other two responses.
In the first place, Mark, I've got NO desire to 'stir it up.' IMO this board - like EVERY discussion board - benefits from having different points of view expressed. You seem to prefer the model of the religious cult where dissent from the received 'wisdom' is regarded as evil in itself.
In your eyes anyone who disagrees with you must either be a moron or downright evil.
That's either total arrogance or intolerance. Either way it's indefensible.
Second you throw around a lot of personal insults - I'm not insulting you.
My husband and I have lived in Saudi Arabia where he worked as a teacher of English as a foreign language and where I gave private lessons to students.
In your second paragraph you start by making assumptions that I'm in favour of some kind of totally mulatto type of ethnic situation which is plain wrong and I've NEVER said that as you know perfectly well.
Secondly as usual you irrelevantly drag in Islam but then I guess that's just your King Charles Head reaction.
Thirdly as you know perfectly well I am a CHRISTIAN and NOT a Muslim so why do you keep trying to pretend I am?
Now back to the point about Roma. Roma as a simple matter of FACT are underrepresented in the UK prison poulation.
So we are LESS likely to commit crimes than the indigenious people.
And we're particularly LESS likely to commit paedophile crimes because it's taboo in our culture.
Now multiculturalism means respecting people's culture and that works boht ways.
And the idea that somehow a foreign criminal is worse than a British one is just silly.
And your final paragraph is just not true.
If it was you wouldn't be claiming that Islam is intrinsically evil; you wouldn't be trashing Roma as you regularly do; and you wouldn't be so hostile to multiculturalism but woulld understand thatit's anything BUT what you think it is.
And you can hardly expect me as a Roma to meekly accept your ridiculous assumption that we are all scum and trash.
Knowledge and experience is always better than ignorance and prejudice.
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Post by markindurham on Feb 24, 2014 0:04:39 GMT -5
Maggie's post was nice and though I disagree with her she was polite and didn't talk to me as if I was a halfwit. I wish I could say the same about the other two responses. In the first place, Mark, I've got NO desire to 'stir it up.' IMO this board - like EVERY discussion board - benefits from having different points of view expressed. You seem to prefer the model of the religious cult where dissent from the received 'wisdom' is regarded as evil in itself. In your eyes anyone who disagrees with you must either be a moron or downright evil. That's either total arrogance or intolerance. Either way it's indefensible. Second you throw around a lot of personal insults - I'm not insulting you. My husband and I have lived in Saudi Arabia where he worked as a teacher of English as a foreign language and where I gave private lessons to students. In your second paragraph you start by making assumptions that I'm in favour of some kind of totally mulatto type of ethnic situation which is plain wrong and I've NEVER said that as you know perfectly well. Secondly as usual you irrelevantly drag in Islam but then I guess that's just your King Charles Head reaction. Thirdly as you know perfectly well I am a CHRISTIAN and NOT a Muslim so why do you keep trying to pretend I am? Now back to the point about Roma. Roma as a simple matter of FACT are underrepresented in the UK prison poulation. So we are LESS likely to commit crimes than the indigenious people. And we're particularly LESS likely to commit paedophile crimes because it's taboo in our culture. Now multiculturalism means respecting people's culture and that works boht ways. And the idea that somehow a foreign criminal is worse than a British one is just silly. And your final paragraph is just not true. If it was you wouldn't be claiming that Islam is intrinsically evil; you wouldn't be trashing Roma as you regularly do; and you wouldn't be so hostile to multiculturalism but woulld understand thatit's anything BUT what you think it is. And you can hardly expect me as a Roma to meekly accept your ridiculous assumption that we are all scum and trash. Knowledge and experience is always better than ignorance and prejudice. With all due respect, I believe that it is YOU who is out of kilter and cannot or will not accept the truth. We're never going to agree on this, so please feel free to think what you like. I, along with many, many other people of all backgrounds and beliefs will get along just fine, with or without your approval.
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Post by ladylinda on Feb 24, 2014 16:40:45 GMT -5
Maggie's post was nice and though I disagree with her she was polite and didn't talk to me as if I was a halfwit. I wish I could say the same about the other two responses. In the first place, Mark, I've got NO desire to 'stir it up.' IMO this board - like EVERY discussion board - benefits from having different points of view expressed. You seem to prefer the model of the religious cult where dissent from the received 'wisdom' is regarded as evil in itself. In your eyes anyone who disagrees with you must either be a moron or downright evil. That's either total arrogance or intolerance. Either way it's indefensible. Second you throw around a lot of personal insults - I'm not insulting you. My husband and I have lived in Saudi Arabia where he worked as a teacher of English as a foreign language and where I gave private lessons to students. In your second paragraph you start by making assumptions that I'm in favour of some kind of totally mulatto type of ethnic situation which is plain wrong and I've NEVER said that as you know perfectly well. Secondly as usual you irrelevantly drag in Islam but then I guess that's just your King Charles Head reaction. Thirdly as you know perfectly well I am a CHRISTIAN and NOT a Muslim so why do you keep trying to pretend I am? Now back to the point about Roma. Roma as a simple matter of FACT are underrepresented in the UK prison poulation. So we are LESS likely to commit crimes than the indigenious people. And we're particularly LESS likely to commit paedophile crimes because it's taboo in our culture. Now multiculturalism means respecting people's culture and that works boht ways. And the idea that somehow a foreign criminal is worse than a British one is just silly. And your final paragraph is just not true. If it was you wouldn't be claiming that Islam is intrinsically evil; you wouldn't be trashing Roma as you regularly do; and you wouldn't be so hostile to multiculturalism but woulld understand thatit's anything BUT what you think it is. And you can hardly expect me as a Roma to meekly accept your ridiculous assumption that we are all scum and trash. Knowledge and experience is always better than ignorance and prejudice. With all due respect, I believe that it is YOU who is out of kilter and cannot or will not accept the truth. We're never going to agree on this, so please feel free to think what you like. I, along with many, many other people of all backgrounds and beliefs will get along just fine, with or without your approval. I don't think you show 'due respect' by making factually false statements. I'm holding back on a response until you answer the PM I sent you, Mark. But as a general point whether or not my views are in a minority here (I suspect they are) or even in Britain or the rest of the world is irrelevant. What bothers me even more than your attempt to silence free discussion is that you continue to think that your OPINIONS are FACTS. I notice you didn't bother to answer the most important parts of my previous post. As I said in my PM to you one of them is particularly important because it's a downright false statement. If you made an honest mistake then please admit it.
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Post by Soulman on Feb 24, 2014 17:30:05 GMT -5
Lin asked the question about crime committed by foreigners vs crime by native born people - what's the difference? I think people get more angry about crime committed by immigrants because we have enough crime here already without importing it. Maybe this is crime that could easily have been avoided not letting them be here in the first place - if they have no right to be here. Anger about the ECHR is also understandable because when heinous crimes are committed by foreign criminals, they can't even be deported. You get the impression that because our justice system is so weak, that, and our welfare benefits, are a big attraction to wrong doers and scroungers from everywhere. No wonder people get cross! I wish we had tougher justice here....... for everyone who commits a crime. I would agree with this. Iv'e posted many similar posts, but normally get the usual responses and labelling thrown at me. It used to bother me, but then i realised that many many people felt the same way. These people were somehow made to feel guilty, and many just keep their feelings to themselves...which is why the problems never get addressed. I stopped feeling guilty when i realised that the problems were getting worse, and more people were being quiet yet felt the same.
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Post by mouse on Feb 25, 2014 4:08:18 GMT -5
no one should be made to feel guilty about the unacceptable taking the tax payer and our country for a ride..nor should they feel guilty for being angry with those who do so those who sit back and say nothing or activily alow these people to run riot in our country are the ones who should be feeling ashamed of them selves...of course they don't feel guilty they see it as some sort of inclusiveness and libirilaity...in the end it will come back to bite em
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Post by markindurham on Feb 25, 2014 4:36:12 GMT -5
no one should be made to feel guilty about the unacceptable taking the tax payer and our country for a ride..nor should they feel guilty for being angry with those who do so those who sit back and say nothing or activily alow these people to run riot in our country are the ones who should be feeling ashamed of them selves...of course they don't feel guilty they see it as some sort of inclusiveness and libirilaity...in the end it will come back to bite em +1 Well said
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Post by Soulman on Feb 25, 2014 16:02:26 GMT -5
That's not you is it Tempus, in one of your disguises? It's fun to stay at the YMCA....it's fun to stay at the YMCA.a.a
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