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Apr 26, 2010 17:37:50 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 26, 2010 17:37:50 GMT -5
I apologise if I misunderstood the intent of YOUR post, Paige. It appeared to imply (obviously I must have read it too quickly) that his use of the phrase 'black panthers' held some sort of racist connotations. I am always happy to hold up my hand and admit when I am in error. Thank you.
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Apr 26, 2010 22:39:11 GMT -5
Post by Wonder Woman on Apr 26, 2010 22:39:11 GMT -5
If I dislike Obama's policies and speak out against him (for example), will I be condemned as racist, when in fact my dislike of him (for example) has nothing to do with race? For some reason, though, I don't picture you screaming the n-word and spitting on elected government officials while protesting a policy you disagree with. You seem like the kind of person who would state your dislike of his policies, and very intelligently at that. I've seen you debate, and you are very perceptive and very sharp. There are many who have valid reasons to disagree with what Obama has done or intends to do; to each his/her own. Sadly, only the fringe is getting the publicity right now. And some of that fringe group behaves in a racist way. The result is that some intelligent, rational, and calm people will fear that they will be labeled as racist if they speak up....just as you stated. And that's wrong. Thank you MM, and you're right, I wouldn't behave in that manner, no matter the situation, and for several reasons. I abhor violence, am hardly racist, and don't believe acting in such a loathsome way gets anything but attention ~ bad attention at that. But, it is that kind of ngative attention that seems to make anyone who also disagrees with policies to also be racist, and that's not the truth of it.
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Apr 27, 2010 17:46:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 17:46:05 GMT -5
I think that it is far too easy to hurl accusations of racism against people when no such intention exists.
It is what I refer to as the 'professional victim' mentality when a person's ethnicity is used as a kind of weapon to excuse behaviour which would NOT be tolerated from someone of a different ethnic origin.
As someone who has friends of all skin colours, all ethnic origins and all religious persuasions, I find this whole patronising nonsense a kind of inverted 'Uncle Tomism' and despicably self-pitying and dishonest.
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Apr 27, 2010 18:03:00 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 27, 2010 18:03:00 GMT -5
...when a person's ethnicity is used as a kind of weapon to excuse behaviour which would NOT be tolerated from someone of a different ethnic origin. Which was the exact point of the "Imagine" article. If the skin color was reversed, the behavior would not likely be considered acceptable. It probably wouldn't be viewed by many as black protesters standing up for their rights. That's why I thought is was such a good article.
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Apr 27, 2010 18:17:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 18:17:16 GMT -5
I wasn't disagreeing with you on that issue, Paige. I find it sad and almost incredible that in a supposedly modern world such irrelevant factors still dominate too may people's thinking.
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Apr 27, 2010 18:18:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 18:18:58 GMT -5
And, of course, the Tea Party are an extremely strange body of people with ideas that at best are rarely heard outside the confines of a mental hospital - and even there being voiced by patients!
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Apr 27, 2010 18:23:12 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 27, 2010 18:23:12 GMT -5
I find it sad and almost incredible that in a supposedly modern world such irrelevant factors still dominate too may people's thinking. Me too.
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Apr 28, 2010 6:22:04 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 28, 2010 6:22:04 GMT -5
No, I've never known Jim to be a racist. However, he is mistaken about the intent of the article in question and probably needs to access the source link - if in doubt. no hon, i'm FULLY aware of the intent of the article. it is the same intent as jesse jackson trying to claim that the jena 6 were the victims of racism, and that the noose in the tree at the school had something to do with racism. both are total bullshyt
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Apr 28, 2010 6:25:22 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 28, 2010 6:25:22 GMT -5
I'm sure we've all misread a word here or there - particularly in a longish post like the original - and jumped to a mistaken conclusion. Jim and I disagree on many issues - I have managed to identify seven areas of agreement which is far fewer than I share with many other members - but he is emphatically NOT a racist nor in any way sympathetic towards any kind of racist politics. Nobody called Jim a racist. I simply pointed out to him that the author did not say black panthers with guns. He said black protesters with guns. Jim was incorrect. And when it was pointed out to him that he was in error, he simply said his perspective was the correct one. That is incorrect since he didn't write the article. But no, nobody called Jim a racist. that's the point. he put out a false premise, and you swallowed it, hook,line and sinker i know what HIS perspective is. i was just giving you the correct one
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Apr 28, 2010 6:27:30 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 28, 2010 6:27:30 GMT -5
Nor do I imagine Jim behaving in the way you describe, Paige. that's true. after all, how many do you know who are kinder, gentler, and less amenable to discord than i?
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Apr 28, 2010 6:30:29 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 28, 2010 6:30:29 GMT -5
Nor do I imagine Jim behaving in the way you describe, Paige. Nobody said or implied that he would. I was talking about the Tea Party protesters who have been in the news recently. Jim doesn't like the Tea Partiers, obviously, so why would he behave that way? i don't know if it's that i dislike them. most of them are so pathetic that i can only feel pity for them. of course, i can't, and won't, tolerate stupidity. the leaders however, are demonstrably scum, moreso because they know they are wrong, yet preach their imbecility anyway
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Apr 28, 2010 6:39:00 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 28, 2010 6:39:00 GMT -5
I think that it is far too easy to hurl accusations of racism against people when no such intention exists. It is what I refer to as the 'professional victim' mentality when a person's ethnicity is used as a kind of weapon to excuse behaviour which would NOT be tolerated from someone of a different ethnic origin. As someone who has friends of all skin colours, all ethnic origins and all religious persuasions, I find this whole patronising nonsense a kind of inverted 'Uncle Tomism' and despicably self-pitying and dishonest. you hit the nail on the head. the FACT is that there is NO institutionalized racism present in the u.s. there are a few individuals, and organiztions, who are overtly racist, such as the kkk, black panthers, nation of islam, and so on. racism is NOT pervasive however, as it was before the sixties. jesse jackson and al sharpton are the kings of playing the race card. they have created the environment supporting the contention that no one is responisble for anything, and everyone else owes them something. the imbecillic idea that anyone should be recompensed for what happened to their great-great grandfather, is abjectly stupid beyond belief. bill cosby and alvin poussaint, the two most iintelligent black leaders in america, have tried to counteract this stupidity, but with very little success. the same applies to every race across the board though. the vast majority of every race are real people who work hard and live like human beings. it is the small minority of every race who wilfully choose to be garbage.
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Apr 28, 2010 6:40:23 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 28, 2010 6:40:23 GMT -5
And, of course, the Tea Party are an extremely strange body of people with ideas that at best are rarely heard outside the confines of a mental hospital - and even there being voiced by patients! that's as good an analogy as i've heard
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