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Apr 26, 2010 11:01:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 11:01:12 GMT -5
Lynne, I am anything BUT an admirer of Obama. My wife detests him and would have voted for McCain if she were an American citizen.
On the other hand, being against an individual or their policies is one thing; attempting to intimidate people through the use of violence or threats of violence is quite another.
Of course we know that you are a civilised person with your own views and would not resort to such tactics.
Sadly, the Tea Party brigade do not share your regard for other people's liberties. They are essentially Stirnerite anarchists who either labour under the delusion that they are conservatives when in fact they represent almost the diametric opposite of conservatism or they are consciously dishonest about their true opinions.
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Apr 26, 2010 11:15:46 GMT -5
Post by beth on Apr 26, 2010 11:15:46 GMT -5
The article didn't say black panthers. It said black protesters. Big difference. The article asked us to only imagine the color of their skin being different; nothing else. NO! it said black protesters with guns. same same Same as white "tea-partiers" with guns, I have to think.
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Apr 26, 2010 14:17:28 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 26, 2010 14:17:28 GMT -5
The article didn't say black panthers. It said black protesters. Big difference. The article asked us to only imagine the color of their skin being different; nothing else. NO! it said black protesters with guns. same same Black protesters with guns are not black panthers. You added the black panther reference in there, on your own, when all the author asked us to imagine is that the skin color is different.
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Apr 26, 2010 15:44:25 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 26, 2010 15:44:25 GMT -5
NO! it said black protesters with guns. same same Black protesters with guns are not black panthers. You added the black panther reference in there, on your own, when all the author asked us to imagine is that the skin color is different. since he didn't, I had to put it in the proper perspective.for you you're welcome
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Apr 26, 2010 15:47:18 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 26, 2010 15:47:18 GMT -5
NO! it said black protesters with guns. same same Same as white "tea-partiers" with guns, I have to think. huh uh. the difference is in the intrinsic values. while the tea party crowd is primarily ignorant, and have intentionally perverted reality, the blacks who woiuld be protesting with guns are those who, after teh rally was over, would rob the liquor store down the street
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Apr 26, 2010 15:48:35 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 26, 2010 15:48:35 GMT -5
Lynne, I am anything BUT an admirer of Obama. My wife detests him and would have voted for McCain if she were an American citizen. On the other hand, being against an individual or their policies is one thing; attempting to intimidate people through the use of violence or threats of violence is quite another. Of course we know that you are a civilised person with your own views and would not resort to such tactics. Sadly, the Tea Party brigade do not share your regard for other people's liberties. They are essentially Stirnerite anarchists who either labour under the delusion that they are conservatives when in fact they represent almost the diametric opposite of conservatism or they are consciously dishonest about their true opinions. mein kampf would come to mind
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Apr 26, 2010 16:00:34 GMT -5
Post by iamjumbo on Apr 26, 2010 16:00:34 GMT -5
Holy *effin* shyt. I agree with Jumbo. If I dislike Obama's policies and speak out against him (for example), will I be condemned as racist, when in fact my dislike of him (for example) has nothing to do with race? don't worry hon. as a rule, it's not terminal. i realize how traumatic it is, but most people usually live through it. if you don't, at least you're going out in a blaze of glory
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Apr 26, 2010 16:43:32 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 26, 2010 16:43:32 GMT -5
Black protesters with guns are not black panthers. You added the black panther reference in there, on your own, when all the author asked us to imagine is that the skin color is different. since he didn't, I had to put it in the proper perspective.for you you're welcome Since he is the author of the article, he gave the proper perspective. Like usual, you twisted his perspective to make it mean something that it didn't. As I said, he didn't say black panthers, you inferred that. And in that, you get to be wrong.
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Apr 26, 2010 17:09:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 17:09:48 GMT -5
I'm sure we've all misread a word here or there - particularly in a longish post like the original - and jumped to a mistaken conclusion.
Jim and I disagree on many issues - I have managed to identify seven areas of agreement which is far fewer than I share with many other members - but he is emphatically NOT a racist nor in any way sympathetic towards any kind of racist politics.
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Apr 26, 2010 17:18:43 GMT -5
Post by beth on Apr 26, 2010 17:18:43 GMT -5
No, I've never known Jim to be a racist. However, he is mistaken about the intent of the article in question and probably needs to access the source link - if in doubt.
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Apr 26, 2010 17:19:47 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 26, 2010 17:19:47 GMT -5
If I dislike Obama's policies and speak out against him (for example), will I be condemned as racist, when in fact my dislike of him (for example) has nothing to do with race? For some reason, though, I don't picture you screaming the n-word and spitting on elected government officials while protesting a policy you disagree with. You seem like the kind of person who would state your dislike of his policies, and very intelligently at that. I've seen you debate, and you are very perceptive and very sharp. There are many who have valid reasons to disagree with what Obama has done or intends to do; to each his/her own. Sadly, only the fringe is getting the publicity right now. And some of that fringe group behaves in a racist way. The result is that some intelligent, rational, and calm people will fear that they will be labeled as racist if they speak up....just as you stated. And that's wrong.
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Apr 26, 2010 17:22:50 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 26, 2010 17:22:50 GMT -5
I'm sure we've all misread a word here or there - particularly in a longish post like the original - and jumped to a mistaken conclusion. Jim and I disagree on many issues - I have managed to identify seven areas of agreement which is far fewer than I share with many other members - but he is emphatically NOT a racist nor in any way sympathetic towards any kind of racist politics. Nobody called Jim a racist. I simply pointed out to him that the author did not say black panthers with guns. He said black protesters with guns. Jim was incorrect. And when it was pointed out to him that he was in error, he simply said his perspective was the correct one. That is incorrect since he didn't write the article. But no, nobody called Jim a racist.
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Apr 26, 2010 17:23:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 17:23:17 GMT -5
Nor do I imagine Jim behaving in the way you describe, Paige.
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Apr 26, 2010 17:30:05 GMT -5
Post by michiganmagpie on Apr 26, 2010 17:30:05 GMT -5
Nor do I imagine Jim behaving in the way you describe, Paige. Nobody said or implied that he would. I was talking about the Tea Party protesters who have been in the news recently. Jim doesn't like the Tea Partiers, obviously, so why would he behave that way?
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Apr 26, 2010 17:32:39 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 17:32:39 GMT -5
I apologise if I misunderstood the intent of YOUR post, Paige. It appeared to imply (obviously I must have read it too quickly) that his use of the phrase 'black panthers' held some sort of racist connotations.
I am always happy to hold up my hand and admit when I am in error.
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