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Post by mouse on Oct 12, 2010 11:10:12 GMT -5
No, I'm making a definite distinction. War has its own rules, well it did before Dubya, which are very different from peacetime. Nonsense. There are no rules in war. Zip. Zero. Anything goes, and you know it. . the first rule of war is the desire/need to win.. which is why the conflicts of this period of time will not be won by us.... 2nd rule of war is keep politos who stand for election out of it.. 3rd rule stop playing civilian standards
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 11:12:52 GMT -5
The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity (Yeats)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 13:14:13 GMT -5
You live in a strange land and you have strange ideas, thank neptune for the Atlantic. The people have not vested that interest here outside of war. You may yet reinstate the death penalty, if you continue to allow muslims to enter your country and breed, legally or otherwise.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 12, 2010 15:05:06 GMT -5
You live in a strange land and you have strange ideas, thank neptune for the Atlantic. The people have not vested that interest here outside of war. You may yet reinstate the death penalty, if you continue to allow muslims to enter your country and breed, legally or otherwise. No, I think not, Joseph. We will probably have civil strife though. And, for the record, we don't let them in, the political parties do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 15:52:28 GMT -5
we don't let them in, the political parties do. From what I read Britain is a representative democracy. Are you suggesting the British voter is utterly without political influence? For a people that wrote the Magna Carta, all you offer the world, it seems, is self-pity.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 12, 2010 16:01:37 GMT -5
we don't let them in, the political parties do. From what I read Britain is a representative democracy. Are you suggesting the British voter is utterly without political influence? For a people that wrote the Magna Carta, all you offer the world, it seems, is self-pity. What you have read is a joke. Its a kind of elected dictatorship. Of course we have no influence, what we need is a revolution. You do realise that if voting really changed anything they'd ban it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 17:38:48 GMT -5
What you have read is a joke. Its a kind of elected dictatorship. Of course we have no influence, what we need is a revolution. You do realise that if voting really changed anything they'd ban it. We have direct democracy in California. Be careful what you wish for. There are worse forms of government than dictatorship.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 12, 2010 17:42:09 GMT -5
What you have read is a joke. Its a kind of elected dictatorship. Of course we have no influence, what we need is a revolution. You do realise that if voting really changed anything they'd ban it. We have direct democracy in California. Be careful what you wish for. There are worse forms of government than dictatorship. Perhaps you could do with a revolution yourself.
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Post by mouse on Oct 13, 2010 0:56:00 GMT -5
we don't let them in, the political parties do. From what I read Britain is a representative democracy. Are you suggesting the British voter is utterly without political influence? For a people that wrote the Magna Carta, all you offer the world, it seems, is self-pity. its not that we are wothout political influence...its we are too dammed lazy to enforce it too interested in a[false] quiet life
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Post by mouse on Oct 13, 2010 0:57:24 GMT -5
indeed there are far far worse forms of gov....we got blair...now that is the pits of government
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 5:52:49 GMT -5
As long as governments are elected by a MINORITY of the vote elective dictatorship will continue.
For what it's worth I broadly support regular use of referenda, initiatives and similar programmes.
One sad reality however is the total lack of realism shown by most voters.
I particularly recall the enthusiasm with which a young Sikh told me that he was voting BNP because he 'hated Pakis.'
Very ironic and sad.
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Post by mouse on Oct 13, 2010 7:22:20 GMT -5
and a condemnation of our worthless education system
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 10:58:36 GMT -5
we got blair...now that is the pits of government If he was so bad, why did you elect him three times? You Brits crack me up. You look down your noses at all the other countries of the world and yet you hate your own, freely-elected government.
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Post by mouse on Oct 13, 2010 11:02:07 GMT -5
we got blair...now that is the pits of government If he was so bad, why did you elect him three times? You Brits crack me up. You look down your noses at all the other countries of the world and yet you hate your own, freely-elected government. i didnt elect him...ever....very few elected blair.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 11:03:09 GMT -5
its not that we are wothout political influence...its we are too dammed lazy to enforce it too interested in a[false] quiet life Silence is consent. Maybe what you have is a lot better for the country than what the majority would actually achieve if it voted. Nothing stops you from implementing a constitutional democracy, in place of your current parliamentary model. That's assuming you actually trust your fellow citizens, er, subjects, with the responsibility of self-determination.
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