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Post by men an tol on Jan 17, 2014 10:26:07 GMT -5
You're right Fretslider, there are a number of opinions of how, why , and who wrote the gospels and studying them (as to sources) is meant to enlighten and not taken as a capital crime. Just the writings of Paul have generated debate among scholars as to who 'actually' put the pen to the words. For some there is near 100% agreement that Paul wrote them, other writings appear to be done by those who followed Paul and may have written under his direction but often with their own nuances. And yet others appear to be quite clearly written by others detailing thoughts and acts of Paul and these 'other' writers put Paul's name to them.
Whatever the reality of the writing source, the appreciation of these writings are not diminished as they provide insight into the early years of establishing (church) organizational structure and the contest between this early church period, the authority of Roman, and the contact with the many different Pagan groups. The approach of condemning those who speak against the writings (of the Qur'an, et al), even to the point of killing, demonstrates a paranoia seemingly founded in a lack of confidence in its legitimacy which apparently is only viable with the backing of the sword. It is little wonder that individual free will is foreboded in Islam.
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Post by mouse on Jan 18, 2014 6:23:49 GMT -5
a by the by on paul...was in Cyprus[pathos] one time many years ago and walking across a small area to get to a church which had some superb icons got a rather strange feeling[cannot describe]..but felt I knew the area although it was nothing like the almost building site I was crossing I later found out it was the site where st paul and st barnabas? had conducted a meeting near on 2,000 yrs before... I went back to the site to take a photo and see if the ""feeling"" returned...it didn't....have to say since then the development of Pathos has rather taken away the charm of the area in general....tourism certainly doesn't appear to enhance places
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jan 19, 2014 6:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by mouse on Jan 20, 2014 8:43:36 GMT -5
""""""Baroness Warsi, the Minister of State for Faith and Communities, agreed. “One of the things I’ve done is put freedom of religion and belief as top priority at the Foreign Office,” she said. “I’ve been vocal that it’s about the freedom to manifest your faith, practise your faith and change your faith. We couldn’t be any clearer. Mutual respect and tolerance are what is required for people to live alongside each other.”
Yet, even in Britain, where the freedom to change faiths is recognised, there is a growing number of people who choose to define themselves by the religion they left behind. The Ex-Muslim Forum, a group of former Muslims, was set up seven years ago. Then, about 15 people were involved; now they have more than 3,000 members around the world. Membership has reportedly doubled in the past two years. Another branch, the Ex-Muslims of North America, was launched last year.""""
dunno why Warsi felt the need to put freedom of religion and faith at the top at the FO....unsurprisingly we had that freedom before we got the peaceful ones in considerable numbers....religion had stopped being any great deal[cept in Ireland] and a few odd bods such as Plymouth bretheren..who killed no one sure we had one or two hiccups such as mosleys morons etc but on the whole we were free to believe or not and then we imported a whole raft of eegits the fact that others do not is hardly a foreign office matter
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jan 20, 2014 9:07:08 GMT -5
A means of giving tech savvy fundies a means to track you down and kill you for apostasy. Why do people feel the need to advertise...? It's like these sad sods who constantly inform the Twitterati of their every action, almost down to each bowel movement. "Just had a ham and cheese sandwich." "Just going upstairs to have a nap." WTF cares... !!!
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Post by mouse on Jan 20, 2014 10:09:17 GMT -5
A means of giving tech savvy fundies a means to track you down and kill you for apostasy. Why do people feel the need to advertise...? It's like these sad sods who constantly inform the Twitterati of their every action, almost down to each bowel movement. "Just had a ham and cheese sandwich." "Just going upstairs to have a nap." WTF cares... !!! theres another way of looking at it...the fact they exist sends out a message to others that you can leave Isalm and live...plus their arguments for leaving.. .if you have to have a death threat to keep people from leaving a religion what sort of religion is that...and if you have to have a death threat to prevent people giving up the muslim way of life...then that way of life is on very shaky foundations...rule by fear will not win the day against learning and free chouce ...but first you have to get the message out....it has to be seen for what it is
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Post by Soulman on Jan 20, 2014 18:00:27 GMT -5
Latest Reason for Muslim Outrage – a Hat. Muslim clerics have issued many a fatwa (religious ruling) throughout the years, ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous. Case in point: the latest edict out of India ruling against Muslims sporting a certain piece of headgear, as reported by the Indian-based news portal The Daily Bhaskar on Jan. 18, 2014. Questions arose in the sub-continent if it’s proper for a politically active Muslim to don the hat popular amongst supporters of the up-and-coming Aam Aadmi Party (translation: The Common Man Party; abbreviated as AAP). freepatriot.org/2014/01/18/latest-reason-muslim-outrage-hat/
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Post by beth on Jan 20, 2014 18:18:04 GMT -5
Latest Reason for Muslim Outrage – a Hat. Muslim clerics have issued many a fatwa (religious ruling) throughout the years, ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous. Case in point: the latest edict out of India ruling against Muslims sporting a certain piece of headgear, as reported by the Indian-based news portal The Daily Bhaskar on Jan. 18, 2014. Questions arose in the sub-continent if it’s proper for a politically active Muslim to don the hat popular amongst supporters of the up-and-coming Aam Aadmi Party (translation: The Common Man Party; abbreviated as AAP). freepatriot.org/2014/01/18/latest-reason-muslim-outrage-hat/That seems so frivilous ... worrying about what's proper and correct for someone else to do. You'd think they'd have enough to do taking care of themselves.
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Post by fretslider on Jan 21, 2014 3:23:26 GMT -5
Latest Reason for Muslim Outrage – a Hat. Muslim clerics have issued many a fatwa (religious ruling) throughout the years, ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous. Case in point: the latest edict out of India ruling against Muslims sporting a certain piece of headgear, as reported by the Indian-based news portal The Daily Bhaskar on Jan. 18, 2014. Questions arose in the sub-continent if it’s proper for a politically active Muslim to don the hat popular amongst supporters of the up-and-coming Aam Aadmi Party (translation: The Common Man Party; abbreviated as AAP). freepatriot.org/2014/01/18/latest-reason-muslim-outrage-hat/A 7th century belief system is always playing catch-up in a 21st century world. There will be no shortage of fatwas to come.
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Post by mouse on Jan 21, 2014 5:31:47 GMT -5
i lurve this one
""""Late last year, it was covered that during the reign of Egyptian strongman Mohamed Morsi, a fatwa was issued declaring that due to the Arabic word for “ocean” is masculine, women who swim in the ocean are guilty of adultery and should be punished as such."""
these people really are the dregs at the bottom of the cup....but sadly they are invested with power to make life a living hell
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jan 24, 2014 7:43:51 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Jan 24, 2014 8:15:17 GMT -5
A world without music.... they can bally well keep it.
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Post by mouse on Jan 24, 2014 9:48:45 GMT -5
A world without music.... they can bally well keep it. I don't think I could live happily without music...but its un Islamic to enjoy music just as it is to paint or provide theatre....in fact come to think of it most of the more civilised attributes of the western world are considered anti islamic
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jan 24, 2014 10:09:35 GMT -5
its un Islamic to enjoy music Must be why it's so bloody awful, then!
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Post by mouse on Jan 24, 2014 12:28:19 GMT -5
I simply cannot envisage a life without theatre..concerts..the availability of music at home...but it would seem the profit didn't like it
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