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Post by mouse on May 19, 2013 7:36:44 GMT -5
the trouble is how else do you get to the truth in court except by harsh cross examination etc ..........and of course we all know of men who have been totally innocent of wrong doing and acused of rape and abuse and it is these lying women who do the real victims of abuse and rape real damage plus its the behaviour of barristers etc that puts many women and girls off reporting abuse..first the attitude of the police[although better than it was except in these grooming cases] and secondly the way they are treated in court but until we can come up with a truth serum then defence barristers and lawyers have to do their job...but the bit that really gets to me is..that barristers will still bully even when they they know their client is guilty and I am quite sure that when a truth serum is found..it will be disallowed in courts as it will infringe some hideous oooman right until we as a society get to grips with the idea that the guilty should have less rights than the innocent nothing is going to change..and the guilty aided by their representatives will continue to lie and make life very unpleasant for those who have been victims
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Post by Soulman on May 19, 2013 7:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by markindurham on May 19, 2013 8:37:00 GMT -5
the trouble is how else do you get to the truth in court except by harsh cross examination etc ..........and of course we all know of men who have been totally innocent of wrong doing and acused of rape and abuse and it is these lying women who do the real victims of abuse and rape real damage plus its the behaviour of barristers etc that puts many women and girls off reporting abuse..first the attitude of the police[although better than it was except in these grooming cases] and secondly the way they are treated in court but until we can come up with a truth serum then defence barristers and lawyers have to do their job...but the bit that really gets to me is..that barristers will still bully even when they they know their client is guilty and I am quite sure that when a truth serum is found..it will be disallowed in courts as it will infringe some hideous oooman right until we as a society get to grips with the idea that the guilty should have less rights than the innocent nothing is going to change..and the guilty aided by their representatives will continue to lie and make life very unpleasant for those who have been victims Yes, it is very difficult, but as you say, barristers can be very bullying, and I have personal experience of this from a civil case regarding a ship I had served on, back in the early 1990s. I was able to fight back, and in fact scored a couple of stinging blows before the bugger realised he was on to a hiding & gave up However, not everyone can do that, particularly victims like these poor girls.
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Post by markindurham on May 19, 2013 8:43:59 GMT -5
Bastards. Utter, utter bastards. Not only the piece of filth who butchered, raped & ultimately killed that poor innocent child, but also her parents & those who knew what was going on but failed to prevent it.
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Post by mouse on May 20, 2013 3:41:47 GMT -5
what can one say Soulman........poor poor child......
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Post by Soulman on May 20, 2013 17:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by mouse on May 21, 2013 2:48:30 GMT -5
the link didn't work...but this little snippit
"""Our job is to change the constitution of America." — Sayyid Syeed, Islamic Society of North America """
their intentions cannot be stated much more clearly...and still the apologists/rightons and morons rus in general don't get it or rather refuse to see the truth
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Post by markindurham on May 21, 2013 3:17:21 GMT -5
the link didn't work...but this little snippit """Our job is to change the constitution of America." — Sayyid Syeed, Islamic Society of North America """ their intentions cannot be stated much more clearly...and still the apologists/rightons and morons rus in general don't get it or rather refuse to see the truth Between the christian bampots and the islamic bampots, I fear that the USA is going to become a battleground. The islamists will use every opportunity afforded them under the freedom of religion and/or free speech allowed by the Constitution, which would not have envisaged the savagery which islam brings when it was written, to undermine the structure of the USA. It will be mainly done by stealth, a little like putting a frog in a pan of cold water & slowly warming it up, until it's too late. It's happened on this side of the Atlantic - why can't, or won't, the politicians see it?
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Post by Tempus Fugit on May 21, 2013 6:59:08 GMT -5
the link didn't work...but this little snippit """Our job is to change the constitution of America." — Sayyid Syeed, Islamic Society of North America """ their intentions cannot be stated much more clearly...and still the apologists/rightons and morons rus in general don't get it or rather refuse to see the truth I thought it was the job of congress and the senate to consider amendments to the constitution, not religious whack-jobs...?
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Post by mouse on May 22, 2013 2:53:52 GMT -5
the link didn't work...but this little snippit """Our job is to change the constitution of America." — Sayyid Syeed, Islamic Society of North America """ their intentions cannot be stated much more clearly...and still the apologists/rightons and morons rus in general don't get it or rather refuse to see the truth I thought it was the job of congress and the senate to consider amendments to the constitution, not religious whack-jobs...? ah but the wack-jobs have god/allah on side and its up to him and his laws.....but my point is they couldn't be clearer in laying out their intent[with or without help from allah] so WHY is no one taking on board what they are saying..why is no one seriously accepting what they say
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Post by Tempus Fugit on May 29, 2013 6:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by maggie on Jun 2, 2013 2:45:40 GMT -5
A white Muslim convert threatened to kill Prince Harry just a day after the shocking murder of a soldier in Woolwich. Ashraf Islam, 30, formerly known as Mark Townley, confessed to police that he wanted to kill the third in line to the throne, who has served in high profile tours of Afghanistan. Islam walked into a police station in Hounslow on May 23 and told detectives that he wanted to murder the prince hours after soldier Lee Rigby, 25, was killed. White Muslim convert threatened to kill Prince Harry just hours after brutal murder of Drummer Lee Rigby
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Post by maggie on Jun 2, 2013 2:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jun 2, 2013 5:18:03 GMT -5
A white Muslim convert threatened to kill Prince Harry just a day after the shocking murder of a soldier in Woolwich. Ashraf Islam, 30, formerly known as Mark Townley, confessed to police that he wanted to kill the third in line to the throne, who has served in high profile tours of Afghanistan. Islam walked into a police station in Hounslow on May 23 and told detectives that he wanted to murder the prince hours after soldier Lee Rigby, 25, was killed. White Muslim convert threatened to kill Prince Harry just hours after brutal murder of Drummer Lee Rigby But he's being prosecuted for his threats to kill whereas Choudary still walks free despite video evidence of him soliciting murder, inciting violence and encouraging benefit fraud.
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jun 2, 2013 5:26:44 GMT -5
You tell us, Tone, you opportunist band-wagon-jumping tw*t. A lot of this is your fault and you spent all your years in office doing what Cammiknickers is doing now and being all fluffy, apologist and "inclusive" and calling anyone that even alluded to what you've just said a racist.
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