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Post by fretslider on Oct 10, 2012 7:03:07 GMT -5
What a sick bunch these Islamic fundamentalists are. The message should be quite clear, as far as they are concerned girls are not to be educated at all.
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Post by markindurham on Oct 10, 2012 8:13:25 GMT -5
What a sick bunch these Islamic fundamentalists are. The message should be quite clear, as far as they are concerned girls are not to be educated at all. We hear the message loud and clear - but our politicians don't But hey, it's only a few, eh?
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Post by men an tol on Oct 10, 2012 11:44:36 GMT -5
There should be no surprise with these events. The ones committing this violence are not reticent to state their intentions and their asserted justifications. They are acting within their cultural morals and see nothing wrong with their acts but rather view them as the highest of ethical acts.
The point is that we are dealing with two very different cultures. The conflict between the two has been going on for more than one thousand years. The only thing that is new, is that leaders within the West have come to (incorrectly) expect all to respond as if they hold western values. This is a failure of those leaders of the West.
We can tear our shirts and gnash our teeth and moan aloud that not all act with Western morals and ethics, but in doing so we are addressing the wrong area. We should be wondering why leaders from the West do not view other cultures realistically. We should be wondering why our leaders do not stand firm for the values of the West. We should be wondering why our leaders do not act as if Western values are the future. We should be wondering why the leaders of the West apparently view Western values as something of the past and of no importance.
Dealing with other cultures is not difficult, simply understand what they are and that they will only respond within the context of their own cultural values, with the reason being that they believe in those values 100%. More over, their response is empowered and enhanced because leaders of the West do not believe in the values of the West and act as if the West is without values.
No, there is nothing here in which we should be surprised.
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Post by Soulman on Oct 10, 2012 13:00:04 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Oct 10, 2012 13:04:06 GMT -5
No club can afford to turn their nose up at a sponsor's cash.
"The idea is to protect the vulnerable and needy from exploitation by the rich and powerful."
How many footballers in the Premier league and the first division could be called "vulnerable and needy", you could say they are relatively rich.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 10, 2012 13:05:24 GMT -5
There should be no surprise with these events. The ones committing this violence are not reticent to state their intentions and their asserted justifications. They are acting within their cultural morals and see nothing wrong with their acts but rather view them as the highest of ethical acts. The point is that we are dealing with two very different cultures. The conflict between the two has been going on for more than one thousand years. The only thing that is new, is that leaders within the West have come to (incorrectly) expect all to respond as if they hold western values. This is a failure of those leaders of the West. We can tear our shirts and gnash our teeth and moan aloud that not all act with Western morals and ethics, but in doing so we are addressing the wrong area. We should be wondering why leaders from the West do not view other cultures realistically. We should be wondering why our leaders do not stand firm for the values of the West. We should be wondering why our leaders do not act as if Western values are the future. We should be wondering why the leaders of the West apparently view Western values as something of the past and of no importance. Dealing with other cultures is not difficult, simply understand what they are and that they will only respond within the context of their own cultural values, with the reason being that they believe in those values 100%. More over, their response is empowered and enhanced because leaders of the West do not believe in the values of the West and act as if the West is without values. No, there is nothing here in which we should be surprised. I agree it's no surprise, but we also know that Islam and western culture cannot co-exist. It's one or the other.
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Post by Soulman on Oct 10, 2012 15:11:25 GMT -5
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Post by markindurham on Oct 10, 2012 15:55:14 GMT -5
Aye, but the buggers were happy to wear shirts with "Northern Rock" or "Virgin Money" (note for non-Brits - these are both banks...) though. Double standards, methinks... ...although I'm not happy that Wonga are sponsoring football teams, but at least it's not MY club taking their loot...
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Post by Soulman on Oct 12, 2012 16:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by mouse on Oct 13, 2012 3:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Oct 13, 2012 3:59:35 GMT -5
From the civilised man, eh. Strange choice of words, it backs up the charge that Islam is mediaeval and barbaric. "Bible, Zechariah 12:9 I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."What a schizophrenic god would be if it did exist.
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Post by Soulman on Oct 13, 2012 4:32:43 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Oct 13, 2012 4:38:50 GMT -5
I know it's a stupid question, but why wasn't he deported after his claims failed?
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Post by mouse on Oct 13, 2012 4:55:26 GMT -5
it wont alter untill there are a few sucessful prosecutions of the government by victims and or their families the government is charged with a duty of care for the citizens of a country...we pay taxes to the elected and their organisations to be kept safe...and not only are they failing on safety theythey are wantonly breaking the contract between state and people the government is complicit in the crimes these people commit...the government by inaction..ineptitude and down right assistence.... plus following the edicts of a foriegn power ie the EU in regard to immigration the government and its forces are no longer fulfilling their duty of protection of the people.... therefore the government is not fit for purpose
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Post by Soulman on Oct 13, 2012 7:59:05 GMT -5
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