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Post by markindurham on May 7, 2012 17:59:15 GMT -5
To be fair to the ALF mob (something I find difficult to do at the best of times) they DID actually have a pretty tense confrontation with some Muslim butchers about halal meat and the police ended up having to stop a total brawl. And, of course, if you're against halal meat you should also be against kosher too but for some reason there's a deafening silence about kosher ritual killing compared with the anti-halal brigade. If you're against both that's consistent; if you're only against one then that's hypocrisy. Both are wrong, and should be stopped. That is all
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Post by mouse on May 8, 2012 1:05:26 GMT -5
""""To be honest, though I'm NOT a Muslim the patriarchal side of it DOES have a certain appeal to me to be honest.""" doesnt suprise me.... they may not be a wage slave but then many non muslims are not wage slaves either or is that to be overlooked...and as a certain section of the muslim population have a high incidence of un-employment one could argue that many muslim men are not wage slaves either... i can think of many reasons NOT to be a woman in Islam and i am no ones idea of a feminist...
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Post by mouse on May 8, 2012 1:13:23 GMT -5
""""And, of course, if you're against halal meat you should also be against kosher too but for some reason there's a deafening silence about kosher ritual killing compared with the anti-halal brigade. If you're against both that's consistent; if you're only against one then that's hypocrisy."""
to answer that the jews never tried to force others onto kosher...and they provided their own butchers for kosher meat..without any big song and dance i dont care if its kosher..halal ritual slaughter should not be alllowed end of story..its cruel and its barbaric and above all its un-necessary in these days of fridges and cold storage the reasons for kosher/halal have disapeared
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Post by mouse on May 8, 2012 1:20:40 GMT -5
as for the above...i would kick them out of the country they so very obviously despise and dislike...but how very strange these peole are they want nothing of our culture yet are only too willing to partaake of our culture when its suits like wanting special treatment and need i mention the benifits they enjoy what a bunch of hyporcrites they really are...they acept the money,,the housing,,the medical care..education..police protection etc etc etc
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Post by markindurham on May 8, 2012 1:35:19 GMT -5
as for the above...i would kick them out of the country they so very obviously despise and dislike...but how very strange these peole are they want nothing of our culture yet are only too willing to partaake of our culture when its suits like wanting special treatment and need i mention the benifits they enjoy what a bunch of hyporcrites they really are...they acept the money,,the housing,,the medical care..education..police protection etc etc etc And STILL the 'useful idiots' pander to these creatures But as we've recently seen, the politicians crave their votes, and will do and/or say pretty much anything to get them But, you know, therein lies a paradox - by engaging in the political system, aren't these 'good & pious' followers of the illiterate paedophile actually going against their instruction manual? Then again, of course, they're also told that lying to the kuffar is permitted, nay encouraged, in order to further the ummah, so...
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Post by Soulman on May 8, 2012 12:48:46 GMT -5
creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/scotland-school-kids-forced-to-visit-mosque-perform-islamic-prayers-video/"Child endangerment if not child abuse? Reminiscent of the Massachusetts sixth-graders forced to pray to Allah during field trip to radical mosque without their parents knowledge. These sneaky Muslims made the children recite the Islamic declaration of faith (shahadah) which is all that is needed to become a Muslim. Luckily these kids had no clue what they were saying and no intent to become Muslim, but it’s akin to introducing kids to the benefits of narcotics while ignoring the evils".
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Post by maggie on May 8, 2012 13:46:43 GMT -5
To be fair to the ALF mob (something I find difficult to do at the best of times) they DID actually have a pretty tense confrontation with some Muslim butchers about halal meat and the police ended up having to stop a total brawl. And, of course, if you're against halal meat you should also be against kosher too but for some reason there's a deafening silence about kosher ritual killing compared with the anti-halal brigade. If you're against both that's consistent; if you're only against one then that's hypocrisy. I'm against both. I don't think ritually slaughtered meat was sold unlabelled in supermarkets before the increase in Muslims to the UK. Someone will tell me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Soulman on May 8, 2012 14:38:56 GMT -5
To be fair to the ALF mob (something I find difficult to do at the best of times) they DID actually have a pretty tense confrontation with some Muslim butchers about halal meat and the police ended up having to stop a total brawl. And, of course, if you're against halal meat you should also be against kosher too but for some reason there's a deafening silence about kosher ritual killing compared with the anti-halal brigade. If you're against both that's consistent; if you're only against one then that's hypocrisy. I'm against both. I don't think ritually slaughtered meat was sold unlabelled in supermarkets before the increase in Muslims to the UK. Someone will tell me if I'm wrong. Well Maggie, Firstly the blessing, unlike the Muslim blessing at slaughter eh. From the Jewish Dietry Laws "Contrary to popular misconception, rabbis or other religious officials do not "bless" food to make it kosher. There are blessings that observant Jews recite over food before eating it, but these blessings have nothing to do with making the food kosher. Food can be kosher without a rabbi or priest ever becoming involved with it:" Then the labeling in place. "The task of keeping kosher is greatly simplified by widespread kashrut certification. Products that have been certified as kosher are labeled with a mark called a hekhsher (from the same Hebrew root as the word "kosher") that ordinarily identifies the rabbi or organization that certified the product. Approximately 3/4 of all prepackaged foods have some kind of kosher certification, and most major brands have reliable Orthodox certification. The process of certification does not involve "blessing" the food; rather, it involves examining the ingredients used to make the food, examining the process by which the food is prepared, and periodically inspecting the processing facilities to make sure that kosher standards are maintained."
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Post by maggie on May 8, 2012 14:49:45 GMT -5
So kosher meat is labelled but halal is not.
I think it should all be labelled to give us the choice on whether we want to buy/eat it or not.
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Post by Soulman on May 8, 2012 15:03:51 GMT -5
So kosher meat is labelled but halal is not. I think it should all be labelled to give us the choice on whether we want to buy/eat it or not. Yes i agree. The impression that i got is that the Jews want their meat labeled so that they do not eat non Kosher.... good for both imo.... a choice and we all know where we stand then.
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Post by ladylinda on May 8, 2012 15:59:53 GMT -5
So kosher meat is labelled but halal is not. I think it should all be labelled to give us the choice on whether we want to buy/eat it or not. Yes i agree. The impression that i got is that the Jews want their meat labeled so that they do not eat non Kosher.... good for both imo.... a choice and we all know where we stand then. The point is though that morally speaking kosher and halal food are equally objectionable or acceptable and there's NO reason to object only to one or the other. You can be fine about either or reject both but just condemning one and not the other is morally hypocritical.
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Post by ladylinda on May 8, 2012 16:00:26 GMT -5
To be fair to the ALF mob (something I find difficult to do at the best of times) they DID actually have a pretty tense confrontation with some Muslim butchers about halal meat and the police ended up having to stop a total brawl. And, of course, if you're against halal meat you should also be against kosher too but for some reason there's a deafening silence about kosher ritual killing compared with the anti-halal brigade. If you're against both that's consistent; if you're only against one then that's hypocrisy. Both are wrong, and should be stopped. That is all That's fine, Mark. You are morally consistent and I accept that.
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Post by ladylinda on May 8, 2012 16:03:51 GMT -5
""""To be honest, though I'm NOT a Muslim the patriarchal side of it DOES have a certain appeal to me to be honest.""" doesnt suprise me.... they may not be a wage slave but then many non muslims are not wage slaves either or is that to be overlooked...and as a certain section of the muslim population have a high incidence of un-employment one could argue that many muslim men are not wage slaves either... i can think of many reasons NOT to be a woman in Islam and i am no ones idea of a feminist... Most Muslim men take good care of their wives; better care than a lot of non-Muslims to be honest. Sure, you've got scumbags but then so has EVERY national, racial and religious group. There's a lot to be said in favour of patriarchy and maybe now that the health issues that have kept me quiet are on the mend I might start a thread on the pros and cons of it. It's nowhere near as black and white as some people might think. God, if you only knew my secret blog (I'm so self-conscious about it I publish my posts under a pseudonym in case I shock people who know me)
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Post by Soulman on May 8, 2012 16:49:50 GMT -5
Yes i agree. The impression that i got is that the Jews want their meat labeled so that they do not eat non Kosher.... good for both imo.... a choice and we all know where we stand then. The point is though that morally speaking kosher and halal food are equally objectionable or acceptable and there's NO reason to object only to one or the other. You can be fine about either or reject both but just condemning one and not the other is morally hypocritical. I don't just condemn one, seeing as you have picked out my post. I don't want either, thank you. However with Kosher you get a choice, unless they have recently got into Subway, Dominoes Pizzas, KFC, Major supermarkets, New Zealand lamb etc etc etc...... like halal meat is being (non labeled) and peddled with no choice.
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Post by markindurham on May 8, 2012 17:00:49 GMT -5
The point is though that morally speaking kosher and halal food are equally objectionable or acceptable and there's NO reason to object only to one or the other. You can be fine about either or reject both but just condemning one and not the other is morally hypocritical. I don't just condemn one, seeing as you have picked out my post. I don't want either, thank you. However with Kosher you get a choice, unless they have recently got into Subway, Dominoes Pizzas, KFC, Major supermarkets, New Zealand lamb etc etc etc...... like halal meat is being (non labeled) and peddled with no choice. And don't forget that schools are supplied with halal meat too - I actually asked my kids if they ever got pork as a choice - the eldest, who's now 22, said that he thinks he did all the time, #2, who's 20, thinks that there wasn't any for his last 2 years - which were 6th Form. My youngest, who's now only 10 days away from finishing school (apart from final exams) can't remember it being on the menu for all the time she's been in secondary school... Go figure, eh?
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