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Post by kronks on Jan 16, 2019 6:28:57 GMT -5
They were happy to vote themselves a whopping 10% pay rise whilst making cuts to the poorest which are ongoing. They are all criminal and should be lined up against a wall and shot.
so by that childish reconing all Irish are thick irish religious freaks but I agree with lining them up and shooting them,.. every man jack and betty... mind the way things are going becarefull what you wish for Yea well as I said that kind of proves they are all a bunch of crooks.
Now some may have went into politics with good intentions but after a few months in that place well I am sure the get into the swing of being a two faced crook!
And of course look how brexist has changed into "the only option available is remain"!!! 
It is like they are running hotel California, You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave!'
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Post by annaj26 on Jan 16, 2019 10:48:58 GMT -5
so by that childish reconing all Irish are thick irish religious freaks but I agree with lining them up and shooting them,.. every man jack and betty... mind the way things are going becarefull what you wish for Yea well as I said that kind of proves they are all a bunch of crooks. Now some may have went into politics with good intentions but after a few months in that place well I am sure the get into the swing of being a two faced crook! And of course look how brexist has changed into "the only option available is remain"!!! It is like they are running hotel California, You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave!'
Kronks, that would be easy to apply to many things like being a member of the "mob" or being a Trump "Fixer" or a "Russian Asset". Be careful where you enter, there may not be an out door. (50+ years and nothing changes very much.) |
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Post by mouse on Jan 17, 2019 7:39:21 GMT -5
Yea well as I said that kind of proves they are all a bunch of crooks. Now some may have went into politics with good intentions but after a few months in that place well I am sure the get into the swing of being a two faced crook! And of course look how brexist has changed into "the only option available is remain"!!! It is like they are running hotel California, You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave!'
Kronks, that would be easy to apply to many things like being a member of the "mob" or being a Trump "Fixer" or a "Russian Asset". Be careful where you enter, there may not be an out door. (50+ years and nothing changes very much.) trust me it is nothing like the mob or trump or Russian assets...to think so is to not understand the reality this is real politics with real consequences for real people which ever road is taken it is also a fight for democracy and the will of the majority against an embeded self appointed elite who have no interests in democracy or freedom |
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Post by fretslider on Jan 17, 2019 8:43:33 GMT -5
Whose fault?
What is populism but the interests of a people in a nation/locality
What is globalism but a national policy of treating the whole world as a proper sphere for political influence - under the auspices of the United Nations.
Many will know of an instance where local government has arrived at a decision that is broadly in line with the wishes of the voters, only to see that decision overturned by national government.
Bump that up a level; Many will come to know of an instance where national government has arrived at a decision that is broadly in line with the wishes of the voters, only to see that decision overturned by the UN.
It isn't far off.
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Post by kronks on Jan 19, 2019 12:18:33 GMT -5
The Eu never really did anything for ordinary folk.
had they done so, more workers rights and social protections of all sort then it might have been valued.
Inequality increased.
So what was it for.
For the fat cats and bureaucrats, a big gravy train.
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Post by toby1 on Jan 19, 2019 14:34:20 GMT -5
When we are discussing Workers Rights then we must consider that by Workers, we mean Manual Workers who have little or no protection against having their jobs taken from them by Foreigners who are prepared to work for a lower salary. Highly skilled workers such as Architects, Doctors, Lawyers are protected against Foreigners coming to take their jobs away because they all have powerful guilds set up to protect their interests. You cannot practise Law in the UK without being a Member of the Law Society, you cannot practice medicine without being a member of the BMA and of course the Architects have their own guild which keeps Foreign riff-raff out.
The Manual Workers used to have their Trades Unions to protect them but the bosses of the Trades Unions blindly follow the instructions from Transport House and have abandoned those who pay their inflated salaries.
All in all as the Germans would say, es ist ein Schweinerei !
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Post by kronks on Jan 20, 2019 4:53:51 GMT -5
When we are discussing Workers Rights then we must consider that by Workers, we mean Manual Workers who have little or no protection against having their jobs taken from them by Foreigners who are prepared to work for a lower salary. Highly skilled workers such as Architects, Doctors, Lawyers are protected against Foreigners coming to take their jobs away because they all have powerful guilds set up to protect their interests. You cannot practise Law in the UK without being a Member of the Law Society, you cannot practice medicine without being a member of the BMA and of course the Architects have their own guild which keeps Foreign riff-raff out. The Manual Workers used to have their Trades Unions to protect them but the bosses of the Trades Unions blindly follow the instructions from Transport House and have abandoned those who pay their inflated salaries. All in all as the Germans would say, es ist ein Schweinerei ! "but the bosses of the Trades Unions blindly follow the instructions from Transport House and have abandoned those who pay their inflated salaries."
I don't understand that bit.
OK maybe I do?
The issue is some porfessions are open to competition from over sea, ie car makers or cheese makers and the market sets wages. Lawyers and doctors and architects have no overseas competition effectively.
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Post by mouse on Jan 21, 2019 5:14:08 GMT -5
The Eu never really did anything for ordinary folk. had they done so, more workers rights and social protections of all sort then it might have been valued. Inequality increased. So what was it for. For the fat cats and bureaucrats, a big gravy train. but the EU has done things for ordinary folk[who ever ordinary folk are] but the ordinary folk were not british who already had workers rights in situ and who already had social protection etc etc … and that is part of the problem the UK was already improving life for its peoples but France and Spain and parts of Greece etc were way behind the UK and still had peasant economies...and every thing that goes with that mindset.. lack of civil and social rights and lack of working rights unless you have seen it with your own eyes its very difficult to conjour up the conditions of so many areas of Europe once away from the city take Milan as an example a night at the opera with a post opera very civilised evening supper.. and yet the next day you could be driving through villages that had no tap water and no electricity... and where wash houses were in each village and were still in use … the real trouble is the aims and ambitions of the EU.... not fo0rgetting the Lisbon Treaty alterations which come into being .. around 2020 |
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Post by fretslider on Jan 21, 2019 8:17:25 GMT -5
The Eu never really did anything for ordinary folk. had they done so, more workers rights and social protections of all sort then it might have been valued. Inequality increased. So what was it for. For the fat cats and bureaucrats, a big gravy train. but the EU has done things for ordinary folk[who ever ordinary folk are] but the ordinary folk were not british who already had workers rights in situ and who already had social protection etc etc … and that is part of the problem the UK was already improving life for its peoples but France and Spain and parts of Greece etc were way behind the UK and still had peasant economies...and every thing that goes with that mindset.. lack of civil and social rights and lack of working rights unless you have seen it with your own eyes its very difficult to conjour up the conditions of so many areas of Europe once away from the city take Milan as an example a night at the opera with a post opera very civilised evening supper.. and yet the next day you could be driving through villages that had no tap water and no electricity... and where wash houses were in each village and were still in use … the real trouble is the aims and ambitions of the EU.... not fo0rgetting the Lisbon Treaty alterations which come into being .. around 2020 Hello Mouse, still arguing with Deep Thought? Oh dear! the EU has done things for ordinary folk[who ever ordinary folk are]The ordinary folk in this context are, or were, the poor peasants in post Ceaucescu's Romania, the brave insurrectionists of Solidarnosc in Poland, the Soviet tank oppressed in Hungary and the former Czechoslovakia, and Zhivkov's Bulgaria. These peoples had just thrown off the shackles of Soviet Communism. They were flat broke and in a terrible state. Bringing them up to EU standards requires a lot of money, hence Brexit is a real headache. 242 European funds are available for candidate countries
There are currently 5 candidate countries: Albania, Montenegro, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Serbia and Turkey. The Union also has two potential candidate countries: Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo. The EU provides pre-accession financial aid to the candidate countries (IPA).. It is intended to help these countries to introduce the necessary political, economic and institutional reforms, in order to bring them into line with EU standards. A key aim of assistance is to support political reform, in particular institution building, strengthening the rule of law, human rights, protection of minorities and the development of civil society. www.welcomeurope.com/european-subsidies-region-Candidate+countries.html#afficheTexteDo remember! Kronks reads nothing and kronks knows nothing. |
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Post by mouse on Jan 22, 2019 5:33:00 GMT -5
not forgetting those areas now built up and blighted by tourism....where the bathroom was a hole in ground and a tin bowlfilled will well water for washing ....
and that is in my life time, as I said if you haven't seen the changes it is a difficult thing to imagine
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Post by kronks on Jan 22, 2019 22:58:45 GMT -5
The Eu never really did anything for ordinary folk. had they done so, more workers rights and social protections of all sort then it might have been valued. Inequality increased. So what was it for. For the fat cats and bureaucrats, a big gravy train. but the EU has done things for ordinary folk[who ever ordinary folk are] but the ordinary folk were not british who already had workers rights in situ and who already had social protection etc etc … and that is part of the problem the UK was already improving life for its peoples but France and Spain and parts of Greece etc were way behind the UK and still had peasant economies...and every thing that goes with that mindset.. lack of civil and social rights and lack of working rights unless you have seen it with your own eyes its very difficult to conjour up the conditions of so many areas of Europe once away from the city take Milan as an example a night at the opera with a post opera very civilised evening supper.. and yet the next day you could be driving through villages that had no tap water and no electricity... and where wash houses were in each village and were still in use … the real trouble is the aims and ambitions of the EU.... not fo0rgetting the Lisbon Treaty alterations which come into being .. around 2020 I'd always assumed EU countries had more rights than the UK, although I'd not too sure really, it is kind of hard to see how they could have less. All we seem to have in the UK is cut after cut after cut. Workers basically have slave labour status, folk can be left destitute Robbing the very poorest to bail out the very richest. The EU was fine untill they started letting in undeveloped countries, it just bring a flood of people to the developed one, and then you have no border control, a lot of countires are happy to let in folk from outside the EU becuase they know they will be only passing through to the developed nations. The UK has low productivity because it treats it's workers like dirt.
As for Brexit well it just means we will get more immigrants from outside the EU, ie more muslims, I am not sure that is what the Brexiteers had in mind but that is what will happen.
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Post by mouse on Jan 23, 2019 4:42:56 GMT -5
but the EU has done things for ordinary folk[who ever ordinary folk are] but the ordinary folk were not british who already had workers rights in situ and who already had social protection etc etc … and that is part of the problem the UK was already improving life for its peoples but France and Spain and parts of Greece etc were way behind the UK and still had peasant economies...and every thing that goes with that mindset.. lack of civil and social rights and lack of working rights unless you have seen it with your own eyes its very difficult to conjour up the conditions of so many areas of Europe once away from the city take Milan as an example a night at the opera with a post opera very civilised evening supper.. and yet the next day you could be driving through villages that had no tap water and no electricity... and where wash houses were in each village and were still in use … the real trouble is the aims and ambitions of the EU.... not fo0rgetting the Lisbon Treaty alterations which come into being .. around 2020 I'd always assumed EU countries had more rights than the UK, although I'd not too sure really, it is kind of hard to see how they could have less. All we seem to have in the UK is cut after cut after cut. Workers basically have slave labour status, folk can be left destitute Robbing the very poorest to bail out the very richest. The EU was fine untill they started letting in undeveloped countries, it just bring a flood of people to the developed one, and then you have no border control, a lot of countires are happy to let in folk from outside the EU becuase they know they will be only passing through to the developed nations. The UK has low productivity because it treats it's workers like dirt. As for Brexit well it just means we will get more immigrants from outside the EU, ie more muslims, I am not sure that is what the Brexiteers had in mind but that is what will happen.
why on earth would you assume that the EU gave people more rights....assumption isn't knowledge or factual yOU go on to speak about cuts... well cuts have nothing to do with civil or workers rights... and trust me there are countries which do have less even now why do you think so many c0me west and even more importantly to the UK but getting back to cuts.. have you any idea just how many firms have been offered financial incentives to transfer to the EU where labour is more plentiful and cheaper and the EU was always going to let in the less developed European countries in.. that is one of the reasons of the eu existing.. a united states of Europe .. one governing bady.. one police force one law system etc etc and if you think things are bad now.. try it in another 5 or 10 yrs as technology gets more and more refined and need very little human imput … as for immigration...why do you think not one country of the EU castigated merkel of Germany about immigration when she allowed a million in in a few weeks .. and it wasn't until it became clear she expected aqll the EU countries to accept portions of that migrated million... the eu thrives on cheap labour the eu is about the death of the nation state.. the death of populism and loyalty to ones fellow country men.. the eu is about divide and conquer... and the eu ,s aims do not stop at the boundries of Europe either.... if you read more you would be well aware of the stinking undemorcratic money pit and the unelected commisars who run it for the benefit of globalists and toward the formation of world government..... the EU army is in its infancy... gawd help disentetrs when that army is up and running because Eyurope lets not forget is the home of the Lubyanka.. the stasi and the gestapo.. the basille and devils island .. the star chamber.. the inquisition etc etc trust me the eu is about more government not less.. the UK economy isn't doing too badly right now .. but you should ask some one who knows what the EU and its petty rules has done to kill off small business and enterprises I can only add.. that you really out to know your subject before denigrationand ask your self why if the UK is as badf as you describe... why would the EU be so desperate to have us stay in the evil union ? |
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Post by mouse on Jan 23, 2019 5:19:01 GMT -5
never mind the Lisbon treaty kicks in next year... and then every one will really have some thing to complain about …
to say nothing of EU enforced national service in one of the EU battalions/air force/navy
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Post by mouse on Jan 23, 2019 8:21:21 GMT -5
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Post by kronks on Jan 23, 2019 14:55:04 GMT -5
I'd always assumed EU countries had more rights than the UK, although I'd not too sure really, it is kind of hard to see how they could have less. All we seem to have in the UK is cut after cut after cut. Workers basically have slave labour status, folk can be left destitute Robbing the very poorest to bail out the very richest. The EU was fine untill they started letting in undeveloped countries, it just bring a flood of people to the developed one, and then you have no border control, a lot of countires are happy to let in folk from outside the EU becuase they know they will be only passing through to the developed nations. The UK has low productivity because it treats it's workers like dirt. As for Brexit well it just means we will get more immigrants from outside the EU, ie more muslims, I am not sure that is what the Brexiteers had in mind but that is what will happen.
why on earth would you assume that the EU gave people more rights....assumption isn't knowledge or factual yOU go on to speak about cuts... well cuts have nothing to do with civil or workers rights... and trust me there are countries which do have less even now why do you think so many c0me west and even more importantly to the UK but getting back to cuts.. have you any idea just how many firms have been offered financial incentives to transfer to the EU where labour is more plentiful and cheaper and the EU was always going to let in the less developed European countries in.. that is one of the reasons of the eu existing.. a united states of Europe .. one governing bady.. one police force one law system etc etc and if you think things are bad now.. try it in another 5 or 10 yrs as technology gets more and more refined and need very little human imput … as for immigration...why do you think not one country of the EU castigated merkel of Germany about immigration when she allowed a million in in a few weeks .. and it wasn't until it became clear she expected aqll the EU countries to accept portions of that migrated million... the eu thrives on cheap labour the eu is about the death of the nation state.. the death of populism and loyalty to ones fellow country men.. the eu is about divide and conquer... and the eu ,s aims do not stop at the boundries of Europe either.... if you read more you would be well aware of the stinking undemorcratic money pit and the unelected commisars who run it for the benefit of globalists and toward the formation of world government..... the EU army is in its infancy... gawd help disentetrs when that army is up and running because Eyurope lets not forget is the home of the Lubyanka.. the stasi and the gestapo.. the basille and devils island .. the star chamber.. the inquisition etc etc trust me the eu is about more government not less.. the UK economy isn't doing too badly right now .. but you should ask some one who knows what the EU and its petty rules has done to kill off small business and enterprises I can only add.. that you really out to know your subject before denigrationand ask your self why if the UK is as badf as you describe... why would the EU be so desperate to have us stay in the evil union ? cuts have everything to do with rights.
if it is work or die well you have no rights as a worker, and that what the tories have now.
Work or death.
The even renamed the department of social security to the department of work or death.
The star chamber is british.
But further to that the poorest have no courts to protect them no independent juries etc..
The EU are not desparate to keep us in, we have to pay to be in it.
The thing is in the UK we aer run by the elites of the UK, in the EU by the eleites of the EU, one
]might assume the elites of the EU would be fairer but they are not.
I expect them to stop slave labour workfare but they did not.
So they too think slave labour is OK save in the knowledge that their own children will never have to do it bar perhaps a cushy internship at the EU, the first stop on the EU gravy train.
The EU never blocked the illgale bankjubg bail out a huge transfer of money form poor to rich, the poorste suffering and dying to shore up the assets of the rich.
Pretty sick stuff.
Nobody in the media complained of course as they all have an iron in the fire, they are all asset rich and net beneficiaries.
And those same crimianls will then demonise the poor.
They will go to hell.
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