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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 21:54:40 GMT -5
then how would we ever explain Hitler, Stalin, slave owners who were cruel, Nightstalker and other terrible people? Hi Chefmate59, So maybe there is no real need for individuals to do that at all, not in my belief anyway. We live and learn all the time, so we are really all in the same boat, some people learning quicker than others, so we move on from being so critical, especially when the person is not there to defend themselves. Perhaps life is for 'letting sleeping dogs lie'? so you are saying we should "tiptoe through the tulips"? There are lessons to be learned from the cruelty of others....there is nothing critical in observing the depravity of Herodius. Her evil caused a righteous man to be murdered because he told her the truth and she didn't like it. We must speak of the evils of Hitler and his minions to ensure this will never happen again. I can see sitting around and whispering about "Uncle Joe's drinking problem" does no good nor does talking about someone's indescretion forty years ago....these people weren't in the public eye and it's of no interest.
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Post by beth on Sept 13, 2016 21:59:47 GMT -5
then how would we ever explain Hitler, Stalin, slave owners who were cruel, Nightstalker and other terrible people? Hi Chefmate59, So maybe there is no real need for individuals to do that at all, not in my belief anyway. We live and learn all the time, so we are really all in the same boat, some people learning quicker than others, so we move on from being so critical, especially when the person is not there to defend themselves. Perhaps life is for 'letting sleeping dogs lie'? Life goes on, SL, and mankind learns by what has gone on before. Only speaking good is not the way to go, any more than always speaking bad. We live, we learn, and then we pass what we've learned down to the next generations to come. As things have progressed, we have most all the knowledge of the world at our fingertips. That is to our great advantage so we should make the most of it.
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Post by beth on Sept 13, 2016 22:02:06 GMT -5
Wow! Thank you, Chef. He really was looney, wasn't he. Now, he wants us to believe he wouldn't go out and do the same thing again to embellish his record? Forget it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 14, 2016 1:18:08 GMT -5
Hi Chefmste51, If you believed what I believed, then you would see that we are indeed all in the same boat. We are all on this physical plane to learn. Some have evidently learned that violence of any kind is to be abhorred. Those who are still committing atrocities evidently are slow to learn.
Surely as a Christian you must believe in Karma(you reap what you sow)? therefore everyone is at a level of their own choosing, and that will only change when the violent person realises that violence is not the answer. There but for the grace of God go I. Wouldn't you say so?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 14, 2016 1:24:29 GMT -5
Wow! Thank you, Chef. He really was looney, wasn't he. Now, he wants us to believe he wouldn't go out and do the same thing again to embellish his record? Forget it. Hi Beth, Does that mean there is no hope for anyone to realise the error of their ways and turn over a new leaf?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 14, 2016 1:49:13 GMT -5
Hi Beth, we are each born already programmed with the traits that will unfold as we grow older plus any that we pick up by our freedom of choice which can be put into action and therefore modify what has been programmed by the accruing of Karma (you reap what you sow) what you have within you plus how you decide to behave will be the catalyst that will influence any children that a person my have. Keeping in mind that each child that is born will also have Karma and may not be inclined to follow your advice. That's life.!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 14:18:43 GMT -5
Hi MikeMarshall, And everyone else who are speaking in similar fashion, I thought the saying was: You shouldn't speak ill of the dead? Well, that's a saying I've never found particularly sensible. Are we expected to praise the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and similar mass murderers? Are we expected to praise terrorists who kill people and who die themselves in the effort? If that's your idea of morality, Scottish Lassie, I prefer to be on the side of the immoral humans who think that some people just do deserve to be hated.
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Post by mouse on Sept 15, 2016 4:46:27 GMT -5
Hi Chefmste51, If you believed what I believed, then you would see that we are indeed all in the same boat. We are all on this physical plane to learn. Some have evidently learned that violence of any kind is to be abhorred. Those who are still committing atrocities evidently are slow to learn. Surely as a Christian you must believe in Karma(you reap what you sow)? therefore everyone is at a level of their own choosing, and that will only change when the violent person realises that violence is not the answer. There but for the grace of God go I. Wouldn't you say so? not every one reaps what they sow...in fact very few reap what they sow..good or bad and there is no ..but for the grace of god go I... and Christians don't do karma the way you think of karma as for violence..it works...theres no point in pretending it doesn't ..it works and is seen to work which is why so many practice it..sure they may some times[not often meet a sticky end....but usually they don't and live very well along side their violence if it didn't work and wasn't seen to work then fewer would take the road of violence look around the world...violence and all that comes along side violence.. greed.. intimidation and threats work
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 15, 2016 11:02:19 GMT -5
Hi MikeMarshall, And everyone else who are speaking in similar fashion, I thought the saying was: You shouldn't speak ill of the dead? Well, that's a saying I've never found particularly sensible. Are we expected to praise the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and similar mass murderers? Are we expected to praise terrorists who kill people and who die themselves in the effort? If that's your idea of morality, Scottish Lassie, I prefer to be on the side of the immoral humans who think that some people just do deserve to be hated. Hi MikeMarshall, You are ofcourse entitled to think whatever you like, as I also am. God represents LOVE, and that is unconditional love, which means you may not like the deeds that a person puts into action, but you love the person. In the Bible it says 'love your enemy'. As I love God, can I go against that? We should have love in our hearts, not hate. If the truth be known, those who hate are actually harming themselves, only they don't realise that yet. How each person feels can be sensed by others. Have you ever gone into a room where there is a person who is very depressed? A sensitive person will find the atmosphere quite oppressive.To keep dwelling on evil acts does not really help anyone.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 15, 2016 11:39:52 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, Any nasty things that you have experienced in your life is all caused because of Karma. Each person deserves what they get, there are no mistakes. A person definitely 'reaps what they sow' If you think that there is only one life and that is the end, then ofcourse you won't believe in Karma. I have experienced many past lives so know that it is true.!!!
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Post by mouse on Sept 16, 2016 5:21:30 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, Any nasty things that you have experienced in your life is all caused because of Karma. Each person deserves what they get, there are no mistakes. A person definitely 'reaps what they sow' If you think that there is only one life and that is the end, then ofcourse you won't believe in Karma. I have experienced many past lives so know that it is true.!!! yup..and I am Queen of the May.......but if I am reaping karma..i must have been very good near angelic in my past lives as the good things have heavily outweight the bad things in my present life
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 15:46:52 GMT -5
Karma is only a theory; it is not a fact.
My 58 years on life have taught me that it is hardly ever true.
I have seen too many good people suffer and bad people prosper and I simply refuse to believe that, for instance, a new-born baby born with birth defects or stillborn or similar is suffering because of some 'sins' in a 'past life.'
To me that attitude is not simply superstitious silliness but downright immoral.
I prefer to stand with John Stuart Mill who said 'I will call no being good to whom I cannot apply the same word with regard to my fellow man and if such a being can sentence me to hell for not believing in him, to hell I will go.'
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Post by Jessiealan on Sept 18, 2016 16:32:36 GMT -5
Karma is only a theory; it is not a fact. My 58 years on life have taught me that it is hardly ever true. I have seen too many good people suffer and bad people prosper and I simply refuse to believe that, for instance, a new-born baby born with birth defects or stillborn or similar is suffering because of some 'sins' in a 'past life.' To me that attitude is not simply superstitious silliness but downright immoral. I prefer to stand with John Stuart Mill who said 'I will call no being good to whom I cannot apply the same word with regard to my fellow man and if such a being can sentence me to hell for not believing in him, to hell I will go.' I am somewhere between Lassie's belief and your opinion, Mike. "What goes around, comes around" isn't unusual, it happens with noticeable frequency. Sometimes the people you think of as "good people" are actually not perfect and often times life pays them back in kind for various actions others might not notice or have no knowledge of. I knowof several instances among my acquaintances.
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Post by mouse on Sept 19, 2016 3:58:43 GMT -5
I agree with both Jessie and Mike ... but what comes around goes around and what is known as Karma can often be checked back quite logically when ones knows all the facts but all too often the wicked and evil thrive and do not appear to get their just deserts in amounts equal to their deeds ....take Hitler for eg..a self inflicted dodgy arm and the shakes.. and getting some one to shoot you to avoid falling into enemy hands is hardly justice for all the misery and suffering he caused or take Churchil..getting dementia is hardly a reward for saving untold millions from facism is hardly a just reward... there are many more public examples
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