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Post by beth on Dec 15, 2014 0:26:58 GMT -5
Despite encountering criticism, the LGBT community is finding greater acceptance, even in religious circles When Eve Tushnet converted to Catholicism in 1998, she thought she might be the world’s first celibate Catholic lesbian. Having grown up in a liberal, upper Northwest Washington home before moving on to Yale University, the then-19-year-old knew no other gay Catholics who embraced the church’s ban on sex outside heterosexual marriage. Her decision to abstain made her an outlier. “Everyone I knew totally rejected it,” she said of the church’s teaching on gay sexuality. Today, Tushnet is a leader in a small but growing movement of celibate gay Christians who find it easier than before to be out of the closet in their traditional churches because they’re celibate. She is busy speaking at conservative Christian conferences with other celibate Catholics and Protestants and is the most well-known of 20 bloggers who post on spiritualfriendship.org, a site for celibate gay and lesbian Christians that draws thousands of visitors each month. Celibacy “allows you to give yourself more freely to God,” said Tushnet (rhymes with RUSH-net), a 36-year-old writer and resident of Petworth in the District. The focus of celibacy, she says, should be not on the absence of sex but on deepening friendships and other relationships, a lesson valuable even for people in heterosexual marriages. much more here www.washingtonpost.com/local/gay-christians-choosing-celibacy-emerge-from-the-shadows/2014/12/13/51c73aea-6ab2-11e4-9fb4-a622dae742a2_story.html
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Post by mouse on Dec 15, 2014 4:06:30 GMT -5
"""Celibacy “allows you to give yourself more freely to God,”"""" hence the celibate priests and nuns ..in the roman church.....and take a good look where celibacy led in the huge numbers of abused children by priests and the numbers of cruel acts by nuns most of which can be lodged at the door of enforced celibacy and the hot houses of same sex units
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Dec 15, 2014 4:53:03 GMT -5
If priests were truly celibate the Catholic church wouldn't be so dangerous for small boys!
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Post by mouse on Dec 15, 2014 6:40:51 GMT -5
If priests were truly celibate the Catholic church wouldn't be so dangerous for small boys! very true and of course that is a man made edict as both men and women were allowed to marry in the original church....I cannot remember when the celibacy rule came into being on the back of thinking similar to this womans... but it [celibacy]certainly did no one any favours I don't think there is a rule which states that women cannot be pope/cardinal either
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Post by Chelonian on Dec 17, 2014 0:40:23 GMT -5
Why does your sexuality even matter if you're proclaiming to be celibate? I still don't understand how anyone can embrace a religion and deity that teaches that they should be killed for their sexuality.
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Post by Jessiealan on Dec 17, 2014 3:01:06 GMT -5
Why does your sexuality even matter if you're proclaiming to be celibate? I still don't understand how anyone can embrace a religion and deity that teaches that they should be killed for their sexuality. I would not be surprised to lean they are using the opportunity to create positive niche of gay pride that everyone can encourage. I am not sure the Christian religion says they should be killed. Why do you think that is so?
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Post by fretslider on Dec 17, 2014 3:28:30 GMT -5
Why does your sexuality even matter if you're proclaiming to be celibate? I still don't understand how anyone can embrace a religion and deity that teaches that they should be killed for their sexuality. It doesn't matter. There is a small tendency within what you might call the homosexual population. A minority that is militant and vociferous. If there's something they can oppose, they''ll oppose it. If there's something they can use as an excuse for taking offence, they'll take it. If they're choosing celibacy, maybe what they mean is celibacy chose them.
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Post by mouse on Dec 17, 2014 6:33:49 GMT -5
Why does your sexuality even matter if you're proclaiming to be celibate? I still don't understand how anyone can embrace a religion and deity that teaches that they should be killed for their sexuality. where exactly does Jesus say they should be killed for homosexuality by definition christinanity is based on Christ words and deeds... its been my understanding that in Christian doctrine that while homosexuality is seen as an abomination.. what is seen as an offence is if one gives into acts of homosexuality..rather than being homosexual but celibate which is where the issue of free choice comes in to play..ie the restraing of desires[and not of course just in matters sexual free choice and individuality will play a strong part in Christianity..as does the striving to do better ""go thou and sin no more""...is at the base of Christian doctrine
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Post by Chelonian on Dec 17, 2014 12:55:41 GMT -5
Leviticus 20:13New International Version (NIV)
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Jesus said nothing on homosexuality, but fully supports OT laws;
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
Ergo, Christians, in following Christ, would have no problem with condemning homosexuals to death.
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Post by annaj26 on Dec 17, 2014 16:20:17 GMT -5
Leviticus 20:13New International Version (NIV) 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Jesus said nothing on homosexuality, but fully supports OT laws; "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB) Ergo, Christians, in following Christ, would have no problem with condemning homosexuals to death. Difference between most Christians and religions that take their holy texts literally - Christians for the most part are civilized and realize that change is not "sinful" but natural. The same for most Jews. Murder is a far cry worse.
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Post by mouse on Dec 18, 2014 5:41:17 GMT -5
Leviticus 20:13New International Version (NIV) 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Jesus said nothing on homosexuality, but fully supports OT laws; "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB) Ergo, Christians, in following Christ, would have no problem with condemning homosexuals to death. I know both those quotes above...however Jesus himself did not advocate the killing of homosexuals what he did advocate is to ..go and sin no more..and even better he advocated repentence and to do unto others as we would be done by.. and judge not lest we be judged..and finally to love one another..which is a recurring theme in Christianity..forgivness and love and many including myself[tho not a believer] see the old testament as simply a history of the Jewish peoples and not relevant to the teachings of the new testament any more than the Torah..where the God is a vengefull being who you fail at your peril """"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets""" the word law..its not clear whether it was secular or religious law but as he also mentions prophets he clearly makes a divide between the two words..plus of course the injunction render unto C[spelling] that which is C[spelling] and unto god that which is gods
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Post by jesuschrist on Jan 30, 2015 8:16:28 GMT -5
Leviticus 20:13New International Version (NIV) 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Jesus said nothing on homosexuality, but fully supports OT laws; "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB) Ergo, Christians, in following Christ, would have no problem with condemning homosexuals to death. Just cause I said nowt doesn't mean i support it ... The law is to be respected (well apart from when i went into all rock star and smashed up the tables of the moneylenders and chucked them out of the temple)
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Post by jesuschrist on Jan 30, 2015 8:20:29 GMT -5
Why does your sexuality even matter if you're proclaiming to be celibate? I still don't understand how anyone can embrace a religion and deity that teaches that they should be killed for their sexuality. where exactly does Jesus say they should be killed for homosexuality by definition christinanity is based on Christ words and deeds... its been my understanding that in Christian doctrine that while homosexuality is seen as an abomination.. what is seen as an offence is if one gives into acts of homosexuality..rather than being homosexual but celibate which is where the issue of free choice comes in to play..ie the restraing of desires[and not of course just in matters sexual free choice and individuality will play a strong part in Christianity..as does the striving to do better ""go thou and sin no more""...is at the base of Christian doctrine Yeah your right i mean Mary Magdelene was one hot momma and what she could do with a cherry stalk was well known but I managed to resist her .... Well till I drank all the wine I made from water that is. Actually to be honest I don't really care who shags who as long as they are all up for a good time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 10:02:50 GMT -5
Why does your sexuality even matter if you're proclaiming to be celibate? I still don't understand how anyone can embrace a religion and deity that teaches that they should be killed for their sexuality. There is nowhere in the new testament stating homosexuals should be put to death. you can't bring me one verse and Jesus fulfilled the law so we are under no obligation to try and live it unless you think we should start sacrificing animals again, but the problem with that is PETA would get upset.
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Post by Chelonian on Aug 5, 2016 19:51:24 GMT -5
Why does your sexuality even matter if you're proclaiming to be celibate? I still don't understand how anyone can embrace a religion and deity that teaches that they should be killed for their sexuality. There is nowhere in the new testament stating homosexuals should be put to death. you can't bring me one verse and Jesus fulfilled the law so we are under no obligation to try and live it unless you think we should start sacrificing animals again, but the problem with that is PETA would get upset. I've already proven that he said to still follow OT. Christians are just lazy Catholics who pretend the OT doesn't exist. Either follow the bible properly or don't. Oh and animal sacrifice still happens. PETA would get upset? So you think it's ok to slaughter animals for a sky fairy? Because your mocking of PETA gives that impression.
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