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Post by biglin on Aug 10, 2010 7:12:22 GMT -5
Well, as my Dad's from Ulster I know how much harm bigoted Catholics did to the country through the IRA. My Dad actually supported O'Neill's reforms but that didn't stop him having to face the daily fear of bombing. As a bus driver, he had to have his bus checked every day because the IRA were trying to kill people. Many friends of his were also murdered simply because they WERE Protestants. I was raised a Presbyterian though I've long since abandoned it for Anglicanism.
Gabriel, thanks for your kind words. Of course my comments weren't directed against you.
I still say that many posters here can't tell the difference between facts and opinions (not you, Gabe, I've never found you like that.)
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Post by fretslider on Aug 10, 2010 7:18:59 GMT -5
Well, as my Dad's from Ulster I know how much harm bigoted Catholics did to the country through the IRA. My Dad actually supported O'Neill's reforms but that didn't stop him having to face the daily fear of bombing. As a bus driver, he had to have his bus checked every day because the IRA were trying to kill people. Many friends of his were also murdered simply because they WERE Protestants. I was raised a Presbyterian though I've long since abandoned it for Anglicanism. Gabriel, thanks for your kind words. Of course my comments weren't directed against you. I still say that many posters here can't tell the difference between facts and opinions (not you, Gabe, I've never found you like that.) I have ancestry from Eire and I know about the harm protestant placemen have caused that island. So you must be a Roma with Scottish ancestry, then. Now there's something to be proud of.
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Post by Erasmus on Aug 10, 2010 18:09:21 GMT -5
I'd love to know how much any of those Heroes on either side given to planting bombs and shooting members of the other tribe (sometimes their own) at random, including today's dissident Republicans, have to do with political beliefs and how much to do with the lucrative organized crime syndicates developed to fund their 'Cause' and very probably exploiting angry young men as expendable useful idiots.
The same undoubtedly applies in Iraq and especially Afghanistan using western 'Puritans' thinking they are supporting their co-religionists against western corruption finding they are no more than expendable private armies and bodyguards for opium/heroin merchants. There was an excellent Radio 4 play on that theme last year.
While on the subject of Irish Republicanism (better left inside these walls and circuitry round here!) there is every chance that if Charles William St. John Burgess, Patrick Henry Pearse, Edward Thomas Kent et alii (so sorry, Cathal Brugha, Pádraig Pearse, Éamonn Ceannt - good Irish names all) hadn't disobeyed orders to start an unwanted ill-conceived insurrection that subjected them to more danger from women mobbing the GPO for their husband's British Army service pay than from the British in 1916 while Pearse was writing the National Anthem that suggests he had a schoolboy's understanding of heroics), there's every chance that all -Ireland self-determination would have been the first thing Westminster enacted once World War One was dealt with. And had they been quietly jailed for the duration this bunch of National Heroes who remind me of the film If would probably be justifiably forgotten today in a 32-county Ireland.
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Post by mouse on Aug 11, 2010 2:13:33 GMT -5
the morality of birth control...is exactly what is says...the womans ability to control the number of births...better for her than a baby every year
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Post by biglin on Aug 11, 2010 9:38:24 GMT -5
Well, as my Dad's from Ulster I know how much harm bigoted Catholics did to the country through the IRA. My Dad actually supported O'Neill's reforms but that didn't stop him having to face the daily fear of bombing. As a bus driver, he had to have his bus checked every day because the IRA were trying to kill people. Many friends of his were also murdered simply because they WERE Protestants. I was raised a Presbyterian though I've long since abandoned it for Anglicanism. Gabriel, thanks for your kind words. Of course my comments weren't directed against you. I still say that many posters here can't tell the difference between facts and opinions (not you, Gabe, I've never found you like that.) I have ancestry from Eire and I know about the harm protestant placemen have caused that island. So you must be a Roma with Scottish ancestry, then. Now there's something to be proud of. My Dad is actually an IRISH Prod (though of course the racist and religiously bigoted Republicans would regard him as NOT being as Irish as they are.) If you ask him he'll say he's Irish. As for my ancestry, well, I'm a Roma with Kalderash, Cale, Basque, Irish, Scottish and Welshi ancestry. I don't see why people should be ashamed of whatever ancestry they have. I don't hate the Irish and I don't actually hate individual Catholics (some of whom are personal friends!). I hate terrorism and I hate Catholicism as a sect. My attitude to the Catholic Church is probably rather similar to, say, Mouse's towards Islam. I regard it as a blaspehemous and disgusting set of heresies presided over by an organisation that is little more than an organised Mafia. Do you seriously think I support the UDA any more than I do the IRA? Do you seriously think I'd support anti-Catholic legislation? When O'Neill, Chichester-Clark and Faulkner were trying to introduce civil rights legislation into Ulster my Dad - in spite of being a member of the Orange Order - SUPPORTED them. He was forced out of his country because of repeated terrorist activity and he had enough. No senior churchman in Ulster condemned the IRA for years. Lots of priests gave them sanctuary, helped them to escape, gave them phoney alibis and even absolved them from murder. The Church of Rome is just another protection racket! Luther was right!
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Post by mouse on Aug 12, 2010 3:16:34 GMT -5
i am very proud of my ancestry...and have the the retracting hand to prove it a mix of celtic..anglo saxon and a small scots imput.....boring but thats fine by me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 15:46:02 GMT -5
Your ethnic mix is much like my own, Mouse. I am primarily Anglo-Saxon with some Irish, Welsh and Scottish and a tiny admixture of Danish.
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Post by mouse on Aug 13, 2010 2:30:12 GMT -5
Your ethnic mix is much like my own, Mouse. I am primarily Anglo-Saxon with some Irish, Welsh and Scottish and a tiny admixture of Danish. my children have an added scrap of irish via their fathers family..although they were predominately anglo saxon...and of course my grandchildren have added even more of a mix to the pot...funny a family stays pretty static for generations and then wham..the mix is totally altered happy anglo saxon day mike[if there is such a day.
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Post by mouse on Aug 13, 2010 2:36:12 GMT -5
Your ethnic mix is much like my own, Mouse. I am primarily Anglo-Saxon with some Irish, Welsh and Scottish and a tiny admixture of Danish. the ""british"" mix was very even untill very recently so some one doing reserch into these things told me even now in many villages you can still come across the same names generationally via the church/grave stones..war memorials..schools i know in our village there are still a few of the old families left sadly its getting less and less....
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Post by sadie on Aug 13, 2010 15:47:49 GMT -5
I actually owe my existence to a Catholic priest. So I am very grateful for their birth control advice.
My mother went to one for advice on how NOT to have any more children..........and voila'........here I am.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2010 11:53:18 GMT -5
I have no real opinion on this matter except insofar as I believe that the decision to conceive children should be ultimately the choice of the putative mother.
On a personal level, I am extremely glad that little Sadie DID come into the world!
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Post by beth on Aug 14, 2010 13:38:24 GMT -5
I have no real opinion on this matter except insofar as I believe that the decision to conceive children should be ultimately the choice of the putative mother. On a personal level, I am extremely glad that little Sadie DID come into the world! Ultimately, Mike, at best it would be the decision of both parents.
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Post by Erasmus on Aug 14, 2010 15:44:32 GMT -5
Ultimately, Mike, at best it would be the decision of both parents. At best yes, but ultimately it's the woman who's going to have the pregnancy, so I feel that she has the casting vote.
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Post by sadie on Aug 14, 2010 17:08:05 GMT -5
I have no real opinion on this matter except insofar as I believe that the decision to conceive children should be ultimately the choice of the putative mother. On a personal level, I am extremely glad that little Sadie DID come into the world! Thanks!! I asked my mother what real world advice she thought she could get on that subject from a person that took a vow of abstinence....that I thought possibly going to talk to the town hookers would have been more practical.....but hey.....it got me here so who am I to complain!!!! The man was actually one of my favorite priests.
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Post by Erasmus on Aug 14, 2010 17:29:09 GMT -5
Don't always be so sure that Father in name isn't Father in fact!
There were good practical and devotional reasons for a vow of celibacy - about a thousand years ago. Besides, at that time, celibate often meant simply unmarried. In fact, it still can in French - celibateur/celibateusse (?) often mean only bachelor/spinster.
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