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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 0:11:24 GMT -5
what is being questioned is the method of death and the way the verdict was reached Methods of execution are irrelevant. There's no such thing as a humane execution. How the verdict was reached is a purely internal matter, and none of our business.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 0:15:03 GMT -5
what moral authority did any one give tony blair to conduct an ilegal war It can't be illegal if he got away with it. If you think he broke the law, as a Briton, if you are one, put him on trial. Otherwise STFU. what moral authority have the iranians given their government? The towelheads appear to be happy with the Iranian government. They're the ones in power, apparently. their government governs on a fixed election Democracy isn't for everybody. If the Iranians want a true democracy, they have to earn it.
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Post by fretslider on Jul 10, 2010 7:25:15 GMT -5
what moral authority did any one give tony blair to conduct an ilegal war It can't be illegal if he got away with it. If you think he broke the law, as a Briton, if you are one, put him on trial. Otherwise STFU. The towelheads appear to be happy with the Iranian government. They're the ones in power, apparently. their government governs on a fixed election Democracy isn't for everybody. If the Iranians want a true democracy, they have to earn it. Joseph You do not understand the legal position here regarding Blair. The fact that he has managed to get away with it does not make it legal. Kindly refrain from using phrases like STFU Thank you for your co-operation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 7:52:23 GMT -5
In Iran, women commit adultery and get stoned.
In the West, women get stoned and commit adultery!
(And they DO say that adolescence is 'the interval between childhood and adultery!)
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Post by mouse on Jul 11, 2010 14:17:18 GMT -5
what is being questioned is the method of death and the way the verdict was reached Methods of execution are irrelevant. There's no such thing as a humane execution. . the method is always relevent ...we have humane killings of animals.... a bullit to the brain as aposed to hours of stoning i know which i would choose
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Post by mouse on Jul 11, 2010 14:39:26 GMT -5
what moral authority did any one give tony blair to conduct an ilegal war It can't be illegal if he got away with it. If you think he broke the law, as a Briton, if you are one, put him on trial. Otherwise STFU. The towelheads appear to be happy with the Iranian government. They're the ones in power, apparently. their government governs on a fixed election Democracy isn't for everybody. If the Iranians want a true democracy, they have to earn it. as fret says just because blair has so far got away with it..doesnt make it legal..and we will certainly do our best to get him to trial..doubt we will suceed but we are certainly trying...he lied to us..to his cabinet to parliament ..and sent our sons to war unequipt and with hands tied behind their back..the man is guilty of murder apart from being a greedy lying hyporcrite dont know what STFU means..presume its some sort of insult...and no i am not a briton i am English there havent been britons in this island for near 2,000 yrs you dont know anything about iran do you..[and it shows] .no ""towel heads"" in iran never were.. they were the persians.. a very bright inventive civilisation that turned muslim after they were invaded by muslims the elections they had were fixed by the religious mob that rule and not freely elected... to say that the iranians will have to EARN democracy is about one of the most ignorent remarks i have heard in a long time iran is not people by a mass of ignorent peasant..its people by the usual mixture found in any civilised country highly intelligent and well educated and the less intelligent and less well educated the education system is very good in iran..the religions spoils it the prisons are appalling as is the justice system which is why the iranian gov manage to hold on to power via torture..murder..intimidation etc etc
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Post by Wonder Woman on Jul 12, 2010 8:04:17 GMT -5
Methods of execution are irrelevant. There's no such thing as a humane execution. . the method is always relevent ...we have humane killings of animals.... a bullit to the brain as aposed to hours of stoning i know which i would choose I have to disagree that the method of execution is relevant. It's not, IMO, so long as the citizenry is aware beforehand. If a country is going to kill its citizens (for whatever reason), why not choose a method they might prefer to avoid?
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Post by Wonder Woman on Jul 12, 2010 8:08:45 GMT -5
dont know what STFU means..presume its some sort of insult... No, it's not an insult ~ not in this context anyway. It's short for shut the *f bomb* up. So, I took it he was saying 'put up or shut up' ~ do something about the situation or stop whining.
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Post by mouse on Jul 12, 2010 8:19:51 GMT -5
dont know what STFU means..presume its some sort of insult... No, it's not an insult ~ not in this context anyway. It's short for shut the *f bomb* up. So, I took it he was saying 'put up or shut up' ~ do something about the situation or stop whining. who is whining....i thought this was a message board for all opinions......tony blair is some one a huge number of people have a problem with...... going to war is not some thing which should be done lightly or for crass reasons..nor is murdering young men and women by depriving them of estential equipment the poodle blair is despised and thought of with total contempt in many many quarters
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Post by mouse on Jul 12, 2010 8:28:14 GMT -5
the method is always relevent ...we have humane killings of animals.... a bullit to the brain as aposed to hours of stoning i know which i would choose I have to disagree that the method of execution is relevant. It's not, IMO, so long as the citizenry is aware beforehand. If a country is going to kill its citizens (for whatever reason), why not choose a method they might prefer to avoid? as you say..we shall have to disagree...although i understand what you say.....however the death sentence is not a punishment sentence but a final sentence and to get the populace involved including children in the death either by stoning or crane hanging is barbaric to say the least...justice should always be tempered with mercy...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 17:37:13 GMT -5
If you genuinely believe that methods of execution are irrelevant I think you will find that the majority even of capital punishment supporters would disagree with you, Joseph.
It is one thing hanging, electrocuting, shooting, gassing or lethally injecting someone.
I am not sure that the majority of people (in the West at least) would tolerate ANY executions if they involved, for instance, burning at the stake, burial alive, flaying alive, breaking on the wheel, boiling in oil or hanging, drawing and quartering.
IMHO execution itself, even for murder, is a dubious form of punishment.
Execution for adultery is totally indefensible.
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Post by Wonder Woman on Jul 12, 2010 23:28:13 GMT -5
No, it's not an insult ~ not in this context anyway. It's short for shut the *f bomb* up. So, I took it he was saying 'put up or shut up' ~ do something about the situation or stop whining. who is whining....i thought this was a message board for all opinions......tony blair is some one a huge number of people have a problem with...... going to war is not some thing which should be done lightly or for crass reasons..nor is murdering young men and women by depriving them of estential equipment the poodle blair is despised and thought of with total contempt in many many quarters Sorry, I didn't mean that you were whining. Just trying to explain those situations where that phrase is used, but not meant to insult.
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Post by Wonder Woman on Jul 12, 2010 23:36:16 GMT -5
I have to disagree that the method of execution is relevant. It's not, IMO, so long as the citizenry is aware beforehand. If a country is going to kill its citizens (for whatever reason), why not choose a method they might prefer to avoid? as you say..we shall have to disagree...although i understand what you say.....however the death sentence is not a punishment sentence but a final sentence and to get the populace involved including children in the death either by stoning or crane hanging is barbaric to say the least...justice should always be tempered with mercy... Oh, I agree with you it's barbaric. I just find the 'mercy' offered up with lethal injection (for example) only serves to make killing more palatable to the faint of heart, when if we're going to kill (in the US, those who kill) ~ wrong, IMO, then we should have the guts not to pretend we're being at all kind. We're freaking killing, for heaven's sake. There is nothing kind, nothing gentle in that choice. Do you (not you you) think we'd be hugging murderers for their mercy in not causing more pain than necessary in the choice to kill?
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Post by mouse on Jul 13, 2010 2:23:11 GMT -5
oh lor....no problems....honest.. i fully understood it was an explanation of what joseph had writen and thanks for the explanation... ""be assured that if we could get blair to trial we most certainly would be delighted to do so[perhaps one day] i heard he is being recalled to the irak inquirey again "
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 10:50:14 GMT -5
If you genuinely believe that methods of execution are irrelevant I think you will find that the majority even of capital punishment supporters would disagree with you, Joseph. The majority of alleged capital punishment "supporters" are wrong. It is one thing hanging, electrocuting, shooting, gassing or lethally injecting someone. Correct. There is no difference. The salient, defining quality of any execution is the killing. How the killing is done is irrelevant. I am not sure that the majority of people (in the West at least) would tolerate ANY executions if they involved, for instance, burning at the stake, burial alive, flaying alive, breaking on the wheel, boiling in oil or hanging, drawing and quartering. That makes them hypocrites. IMHO execution itself, even for murder, is a dubious form of punishment. It isn't dubious if the sole purpose of punishment is retribution. Execution for adultery is totally indefensible. It's indefensible where I live. It is defensible elsewhere.
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