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Post by fretslider on Sept 28, 2011 14:42:01 GMT -5
Well what a lot of heat and absolutely bugger-all light.
Whether one takes any notice of the bible - and be honest, Christians cherry-pick the bits they like and leave out what they try to pretend does not exist - the fact is that religion remains an ancient modus of exerting/enforcing social control - to a very outdated valueset.
Homosexuality exists in so many species, why should humans - subject to evolution too - be any different. Some research shows that there is indeed an evolutionary advantage to an element of homosexuality in a population.
If it comes down to a choice between the narrow minded worldview of a god-fearing ancient, or understanding through a scientific approach, I'll take the latter every time.
The world isn't flat, you know.
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Post by akamai on Sept 28, 2011 14:51:06 GMT -5
Well what a lot of heat and absolutely bugger-all light. Whether one takes any notice of the bible - and be honest, Christians cherry-pick the bits they like and leave out what they try to pretend does not exist - the fact is that religion remains an ancient modus of exerting/enforcing social control - to a very outdated valueset. Homosexuality exists in so many species, why should humans - subject to evolution too - be any different. Some research shows that there is indeed an evolutionary advantage to an element of homosexuality in a population. If it comes down to a choice between the narrow minded worldview of a god-fearing ancient, or understanding through a scientific approach, I'll take the latter every time. The world isn't flat, you know. Hi Fretslider, Where I am sitting, the world is flat. LOL! You are correct. To think we are so superior, that our animal instincts are not the same as that of other animals is being narrow minded. Akamai |
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Post by fretslider on Sept 28, 2011 14:58:39 GMT -5
Well what a lot of heat and absolutely bugger-all light. Whether one takes any notice of the bible - and be honest, Christians cherry-pick the bits they like and leave out what they try to pretend does not exist - the fact is that religion remains an ancient modus of exerting/enforcing social control - to a very outdated valueset. Homosexuality exists in so many species, why should humans - subject to evolution too - be any different. Some research shows that there is indeed an evolutionary advantage to an element of homosexuality in a population. If it comes down to a choice between the narrow minded worldview of a god-fearing ancient, or understanding through a scientific approach, I'll take the latter every time. The world isn't flat, you know. Hi Fretslider, Where I am sitting, the world is flat. LOL! You are correct. To think we are so superior, that our animal instincts are not the same as that of other animals is being narrow minded. Akamai Well, the economy is flat even if the world isn't, Akamai  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 15:36:27 GMT -5
Well what a lot of heat and absolutely bugger-all light. Whether one takes any notice of the bible - and be honest, Christians cherry-pick the bits they like and leave out what they try to pretend does not exist - the fact is that religion remains an ancient modus of exerting/enforcing social control - to a very outdated valueset. Homosexuality exists in so many species, why should humans - subject to evolution too - be any different. Some research shows that there is indeed an evolutionary advantage to an element of homosexuality in a population. If it comes down to a choice between the narrow minded worldview of a god-fearing ancient, or understanding through a scientific approach, I'll take the latter every time. The world isn't flat, you know. Well-stated, Fret. |
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Post by fretslider on Sept 28, 2011 15:52:09 GMT -5
Can I just add that... male homosexuality is difficult to explain under Darwinian evolutionary models, because carriers of genes predisposing towards male homosexuality would be likely to reproduce less than average, suggesting that alleles influencing homosexuality should progressively disappear from a population.
This changed when previous work by Camperio Ciani and collaborators, published in 2004, showed that females in the maternal line of male homosexuals were more fertile than average. The interaction of male homosexuality with increased female fecundity within human populations, in a complex dynamic, resulting in the maintenance of male homosexuality at stable and relatively low frequencies, highlights the effects of heredity through the maternal line.
These findings provide new insights into male homosexuality in humans. In particular, they promote a focus shift in which homosexuality should not be viewed as a detrimental trait (due to the reduced male fecundity it entails), but, rather, should be considered within the wider evolutionary framework of a characteristic with gender-specific benefits, and which promotes female fecundity. This may well be the evolutionary origin of this genetic trait in human beings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 16:26:22 GMT -5
Can I just add that... male homosexuality is difficult to explain under Darwinian evolutionary models, because carriers of genes predisposing towards male homosexuality would be likely to reproduce less than average, suggesting that alleles influencing homosexuality should progressively disappear from a population. This changed when previous work by Camperio Ciani and collaborators, published in 2004, showed that females in the maternal line of male homosexuals were more fertile than average. The interaction of male homosexuality with increased female fecundity within human populations, in a complex dynamic, resulting in the maintenance of male homosexuality at stable and relatively low frequencies, highlights the effects of heredity through the maternal line. These findings provide new insights into male homosexuality in humans. In particular, they promote a focus shift in which homosexuality should not be viewed as a detrimental trait (due to the reduced male fecundity it entails), but, rather, should be considered within the wider evolutionary framework of a characteristic with gender-specific benefits, and which promotes female fecundity. This may well be the evolutionary origin of this genetic trait in human beings. There are phenotypes, such as the appearance of nipples in males, that have no evolutionary value. The origin of homosexuality only matters to homophobes. The rest of us couldn't care less. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 16:51:45 GMT -5
What's being said here? That we should be no better than other animals?
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Post by sadie on Sept 28, 2011 17:00:22 GMT -5
What's being said here? That we should be no better than other animals? I believe it is more trying to veer into the genetics of homosexuality. We've brought up just about everything else......I'm waiting for the kitchen sink next!!! |
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 28, 2011 17:15:49 GMT -5
What's being said here? That we should be no better than other animals? it's called grasping at straws in the attempt to claim that deviants are normal |
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Post by sadie on Sept 28, 2011 18:43:01 GMT -5
What exactly is normal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 18:49:26 GMT -5
Hm, that question is one over which people have been arguing for thousands of years! The most popular answer appears to be that anyone who agrees with the opinions and behaviour of the individual who claims to be normal is normal by virtue of their agreement! |
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Post by sadie on Sept 28, 2011 19:24:07 GMT -5
I happen to identify with the Young Frankenstein choice of "Abby Normal"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 20:11:39 GMT -5
It's sort of like accounting - we go by what are described as "generally accepted standards".
What was accepted as "normal" for those 5,000 years would then be "normal" today.
Believe me - in those days, too, they knew the difference between boys and girls and didn't confuse the two.
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Post by akamai on Sept 29, 2011 0:30:41 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, Where I am sitting, the world is flat. LOL! You are correct. To think we are so superior, that our animal instincts are not the same as that of other animals is being narrow minded. Akamai Well, the economy is flat even if the world isn't, Akamai We agree for a change! LOL! |
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